A question to religious people

[TheEvilOne]

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I'm curious what do you guys think about this.

 

[DrProof]

Freedom is the world's biggest illusion. That being said, I do what I want, I remember some Christian was like you're not supposed to mark your body (because I have tattoos) and I told him to **** off.

My mindset is just I believe what I want, and I do what I want. If the Bible said not to have *** till marriage, if you do you're not truly a Christian, I'd **** a female the next day and still believe I'm one.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

As paradoxical as it, the actions are performed by the individual. These things are part of God's plans because he already knows how things will turn out, and the big theme is all wrongs will ultimately be righted. If prayer invokes God's intervention, it's safe to say God's intervention is not always there or varies to an extreme degree, so it cannot be that we are complete puppets.

 

[SZiaee]

If you use your calculator to produce a random number ... It's a part of your plan to produce a random number . But your calculator is producing the random number . Your calculator has the power to produce every number (which means free will)

 

[DrProof]

If you use your calculator to produce a random number ... It's a part of your plan to produce a random number . But your calculator is producing the random number . Your calculator has the power to produce every number (which means free will)

Because the Creator of the calculator planned for it to have said power to generate every number, therefore freewill is non-existent. The world is a game, and all it's inhabitants are players, puppets.

 

[TheEvilOne]

As paradoxical as it, the actions are performed by the individual. These things are part of God's plans because he already knows how things will turn out, and the big theme is all wrongs will ultimately be righted. If prayer invokes God's intervention, it's safe to say God's intervention is not always there or varies to an extreme degree, so it cannot be that we are complete puppets.

So if everything is part of god's plan, he knew Eve is gonna eat from the fruit of knowledge, yet he still let it happen, and now he's punishing the humanity for his own actions? By human standards that's psychotic at best.

Its good that you brought up prayer. What makes you think your god is gonna change his 'perfect plan' just because you asked for it?

 

[SZiaee]

Because the Creator of the calculator planned for it to have said power to generate every number, therefore freewill is non-existent. The world is a game, and all it's inhabitants are players, puppets.

So what's the difference between human and calculator ?
The creator of the calculator planned for it to have said power to generate every number , the creator of the human (God) planned for him/her to have said power to have free will (according to Bible).

 

[DrProof]

So what's the difference between a human and the calculator ?
The creator of the calculator planned for it to have said power to generate every number , the creator of the human (God) planned for him/her to have said power to have free will (according to Bible)

Because free will isn't planned. Which makes freedom the biggest illusion lol. Something of your own volition shouldn't be strung together by some greater being.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

First of all, Jesus never preached a religion. He preached faith in God Jehovah and His Kingdom.

And also: have you not heard that God writes straight on tortuous lines?

Have a nice day!

 

[Lightbringer]

So what's the difference between a human and the calculator ?
The creator of the calculator planned for it to have said power to generate every number , the creator of the human planned for it to have said power to have free will (according to Bible)

God is omniscient, meaning he literally knows everything (past, present, and future).

Also, technically there is no "real" randomness in the universe as everything random can be traced back to an origin. "Randomness" is just a way of measuring something we don't know.

 

[SZiaee]

Because free will isn't planned. Which makes freedom the biggest illusion lol. Something of your own volition shouldn't be strung together by some greater being.

Again, What's wrong with God giving us free will ? If free will is not planned , then a bad person is forced to do bad things so he doesn't deserve to go to hell (And neither does a good person deserve to go to paradise) . So what's your own answer to this problem ?

 

[SZiaee]

God is omniscient, meaning he literally knows everything (past, present, and future).

Also, technically there is no "real" randomness in the universe as everything random can be traced back to an origin. "Randomness" is just a way of measuring something we don't know.

You mean if Earth is created once again and Adam and Eve come to Earth , all the history of humanity would repeat ?

 

[chopstickchakra]

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I'm curious what do you guys think about this.

If God gave us free will why would he punish us for demonstrating that free will with eternal damnation? Answer, don't believe everything in a book written and re-written by people with agendas. That said just because people have misrepresented or abused even bastardized the "truth" doesn't mean it doesn't still exist in some form.

 

[DrProof]

God gave pedophiles and rapist freewill to rape the young and old???

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

So if everything is part of god's plan, he knew Eve is gonna eat from the fruit of knowledge, yet he still let it happen, and now he's punishing the humanity for his own actions? By human standards that's psychotic at best.

Its good that you brought up prayer. What makes you think your god is gonna change his 'perfect plan' just because you asked for it?

You may have caught on by now, but I'm really not religious. Just, ironically enough, playing Devil's Advocate. I can't answer the first segment because I've never really read the Bible, but the bold text is easy. Because it has unquestionably happened in the Bible. God has directed for specific tasks to be carried out for his subjects to show just how devoted they are before any real intervention multiple times. Like that time he asked a guy to sacrifice his son. Just because God knows all from start to finish does not mean any piece of his plan will seamlessly move on its own.

 

[Fountain]

This is why i don't consider myself an atheist anymore.

 

[Lightbringer]

You mean if Earth is created once again and Adam and Eve come to Earth , all the history of humanity would repeat ?

No, that's not what I mean.

I mean that everything that has happened from us choosing our breakfast, to the wind blowing, to the Earth rotating is because of moving particles which can theoretically be to a singular thing which started everything. It's called determinism.

Here is a decent explanation of it.

[video=youtube;vCGtkDzELAI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCGtkDzELAI&ab_channel=CrashCourse[/video]

 

[vasu 32]

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I'm curious what do you guys think about this.

We don't have free will - Hinduism, Buddhism.

So what's your point?

 

[Greatness23]

My idea of God differs from the conventional chritian. I do as I want, all myself a God etc..,. At the same time, I understand and hope that there is a higher power, or atleast a being above all else. The Pinnacle of every species, bacteria, element and the like. People make God seem like a dictator or wjatever, but he is as you wish him to be. An all knowing god wouldn't get mad and chastise you for doing some shit he already kknew you were gonna do.

 

[ReBoot]

The time will come and God will descend from heaven and punish those who did not believe in him