[Discussion] A few things about Naruto and Sasuke's Powers

[ANiMUS]

Ok, have basically been doing something on Naruto and Sasuke's current power ups and here are a few conclusions I came to. Before we begin I would like to remind u that I believe that both Naruto and Sasuke are equal.

1. Naruto lost the Kyuubi avatar-

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I say this because you can look at his character and look at his current abilities and tell that he has lost some of his BM. He no longer has the stretching chakra arms. He no longer does the partial transformations, and so far we have not seen Naruto's FTG-like speed, instead its more like his footspeed has drastically increased.

Why do I think that this has happened? Well, if you look back at this you will get an idea.

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I believe that just like Sasuke's power is his rinnengan, Naruto's power is his 6 path Sage Mode. Even though the kyuubi is the biggest part of Naruto's obtained chakra and is the piece of chakra that saved his life Naruto still has to ask for the kyuubi chakra just like all the other bijuu. If Naruto was utilizing the kyuubi chakra while being in sync with the others then he wouldn't have to ask kurama for his chakra in order to perform BDRS. So this leads me to believe that Naruto while in his state of 6 Path Sage Mode is utilizing all the bijuu chakra at once. This means he is not able to draw out any particular bijuu's ability, but is able to single out any particular bijuu"s chakra out in order to perform a different rasengan.

TBH, Naruto's attacks are so large scale that he really doesn't even need a large chakra avatar, but if Naruto does indeed have a chakra avatar it will most likely resemble this:

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Of course there maybe certain design changes just as with Sasuke's Susano'o, but given Naruto's current abilities I believe this style of avatar fits him more.

2. The Range of Sasuke's S/T jutsu-

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Ok, first let me inform u all that i don't really believe that Sasuke's S/T is as simple as just a teleportation technique however if it is I would like to point you attention to a very hax possibility:

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Using Susanoo's chakra Madara was able to pull of the Godly Rinnengan technique of pulling down not one, but two meteors. Now what I am saying has nothing to do with Sasuke bringing down meteors, but it does show us that the scale of rinnengan techniques can be boosted with Susanoo chakra and that same principle can apply to vastly increase the range of Sasuke's Rinnengan S/T jutsu enabling him to warp his Susano'o and possibly large objects around him.

3. Not picking on Naruto-

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Ok, this is kind of a negative point for Naruto, but I assure you I am not trying to pick on Naruto or under estimate him in anyway. Ok, now that that is understood let us continue.

Naruto can't properly utilize his omnyoton orbs. To show u what I mean allow me to show u the scan I am talking about, by referencing Lord Hiruzen's comment on the Omnyoton

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Ok, now as stated by Hiruzen in order to utilize the omnyoton the way that Obito did you would need to utilize 4 different nature transformations at once.
Naruto can do one -_-
Please don't be confused by Naruto utilizing the bijuu chakra to create different forms of rasengans, Naruto is only taking pre-molded chakra and applying his own shape manipulation to them to create different rasengans. Naruto still only knows one nature transformation and therefore can't utilize the omnyoton properly.

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Also, none of Naruto's rasenshurikens so far have shown the ability to hone in on their target. In the fight with 3rd raikage Naruto simply used his chakra arms to change the direction of the rasenshuriken. This make the attack incredibly straight forward as it has about the maneuverability of a Fuma Shuriken. IMO Matabi will be the honing rasenshuriken.

Anyway I would like to hear your opinions.

 

[The Dreamer]

Oh good. I tought this was gonna be another rinnengan hawk troll thread. Gonna read it later. Now off to report dem trolls. n.n

 

[~Ethereal~]

I like your thread.. but your sig is disturbing.

 

[ANiMUS]

I like your thread.. but your sig is disturbing.

What could u possibly mean? How is my sig disturbing?

 

[Slowpoke]

Well that's Interesting. ​

 

[Yuse]

yeah i think so as well

 

[Slowpoke]

I need to stop looking at your Signature. ​

 

[ANiMUS]

I need to stop looking at your Signature. ​

What's everyone's problem with my sig. Its cute

 

[Hidari]

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That was a great read. I agree with everything you said.

In other news, should that sig not be censored or something? I feel like my remaining scraps of innocence, however small, have been robbed from me.

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[ANiMUS]

That was a great read. I agree with everything you said.

In other news, should that sig not be censored or something? I feel like my remaining scraps of innocence, however small, have been robbed from me.

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Y, would they censor it? It shows no nudity, no graphic violence (I have some with graphic violence btw), or anything illegal. Whats so bad about it?

 

[VongolaX]

When Sasuke was next to Tobirama, he ask him to teleport him to Madara.

S/t Justus aren't suppose to be limited

Sasuke's definitely using inzanagi

Look at his tomoes after using a sharingan technique on a rinnegan eye.

He loses the tomoes and wait for it to regenerate

 

[ANiMUS]

When Sasuke was next to Tobirama, he ask him to teleport him to Madara.

S/t Justus aren't suppose to be limited

Sasuke's definitely using inzanagi

Look at his tomoes after using a sharingan technique on a rinnegan eye.

He loses the tomoes and wait for it to regenerate

IMO the tomoe loss thing is just a artist mistake. He has been doing it a lot, but anyway I also think that it is some form of Izanagi.

 

[VongolaX]

IMO the tomoe loss thing is just a artist mistake. He has been doing it a lot, but anyway I also think that it is some form of Izanagi.

I strongly believe that it is inzanagi, but the tomoe thing happened in the recent chapter.

 

[Cael]

the only problem with this post is the black orbs part, if that was true then he wouldn't possible now how to change the shape of them, but he did when he created them into poles.

It's not that he doesn't know how to utilize them but its more like he doesn't really need them, because naruto own jutsu is far advance. obito doesn't really have jutsu compared to the FRS. so he had to rely more on them.

the scan you showed for obito using the black orbs, well that wasn't really obito but the 10tails, it was not even perfected because it was unable to nullify chakra, like it did when obito gained control

 

[ANiMUS]

the only problem with this post is the black orbs part, if that was true then he wouldn't possible now how to change the shape of them, but he did when he created them into poles.

It's not that he doesn't know how to utilize them but its more like he doesn't really need them, because naruto own jutsu is far advance. obito doesn't really have jutsu compared to the FRS. so he had to rely more on them.

the scan you showed for obito using the black orbs, well that wasn't really obito but the 10tails, it was not even perfected because it was unable to nullify chakra, like it did when obito gained control

He used them perfectly later and the rod for Naruto was its default form it came. like the Sage's staff. It came that way so it takes zero effort to change it into that form.

Naruto's FRS is still only one nature transformation no matter how advanced it is.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Honestly this is one of the first decent threads I've seen all day.

I hadn't considered Point 2 with Sasuke being able to use his Susanoo to boost the power and or range of his Rinnegan Techniques.

For Point 3, I would have liked to see some more variety from Naruto with the TSBs instead of just using them as rods or praytell Tailed Beast Bomb Rasen-shurikens.

 

[conradoserpa]

Ashura bijuu mode had three faces

Juubi had three faces (ear, mouth, eye)

Ashura's side statue had three faces

So I can't think about Naruto being any different from this

 

[ANiMUS]

Ashura bijuu mode had three faces

Juubi had three faces (ear, mouth, eye)

Ashura's side statue had three faces

So I can't think about Naruto being any different from this

Don't really get your point and yeah since it shows Naruto mirroring the hindu asura statue then it would be right for it to have three faces. I don't know about the whole juubi thing though

 

[Cael]

He used them perfectly later and the rod for Naruto was its default form it came. like the Sage's staff. It came that way so it takes zero effort to change it into that form.

Naruto's FRS is still only one nature transformation no matter how advanced it is.

that is your opinion on the rod its not fact, you can't possible know how difficult it is to turn it into another shape, the difficulty of obito turning it into a shield and sword could be the same as naruto turning it into rods.

and if I am correct, there default shape should be the ball, since every time they are being used they revert back to that shape, hence the name Truth seeking Ball

sasuke gained the rinnegan the ability to use each elements, its would be wise to assume that the sage other half of power gave naruto this ability.

the fact that naruto have the black orbs should indicate this since the 3rd hokage said so himself. madara have these orbs and he too don't use them for much, are you going to also assume that he is incapable of using them properly

 

[NeutralChaos]

Having Susano'o activated does not increase the ability of a technique, as it uses the users chakra and strains them. The reason he had activated it was so that he could perform the required three hand-signs at once, limiting the technique to users with chakra cloaks.