A factor Orochimaru fans to not consider when they give him edo tensei

[Sennin of Logic]

Orochimaru fans tend to think that Orochimary solos almost all of the NV because of the edo hokages. However, that's not really the case. Orochimaru summoned all the hokages. If you use the edo hokages, you also have to go along with the fact that if the ninja he's fighting is a good guy (Naruto or Sasuke for instance), Hashirama will overpower Orochimaru's control and go over to their side. So in a way, Orochimaru's edo hokages means that any good and powerful ninja is automatically stronger than Orochimaru if you want to use edos. Just a thought


Edit: If you exclude Hashirama from Orochimaru's edos, you're holding a double standard. By choosing Orochimaru with edo hokages, you're choosing Orochimaru after the events of "the ones that know everything." It's like saying "Let's give Sasuke all his MS powers with perfectly good eyesight." Orochimaru knowing that Hashirama cannot be controlled is a hypothetical character.

 

[Fair Warning]

That made no sense

 

[The Necromancer]

Edo Fans tend to leave out Madara, Itachi, and Hashirama for that very reason. I would exclude Hanzo as well, but they don't care about him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That made no sense

How does it not? If Orochimaru fans use edo hokages, then they have to accept the weaknesses of having all the edo hokages.

Edo Fans tend to leave out Madara, Itachi, and Hashirama for that very reason. I would exclude Hanzo as well, but they don't care about him.

That's a sort of double standard. If they're using the condition where edos are used, then they have to go with the consequences of the jutsu's weakness. You can't just pick what part of the ability is convenient and discard the weaknesses.

 

[Prestonyoko]

Noo that's where your wrong.

Part 1 he controlled Hashirama to kill Hiruzen. (Manga Fact)

He can set the rest of his Edo's minds in contact bc their too weak to break it. (Manga Fact)

Hashirama he just leaves mindless.

Enough with the Orochimaru bashing.

Who lied to you saying he defeat NV?

He cant defeat the Sage, Juubi Obito & Madara.

 

[Retsu]

Edo Fans tend to leave out Madara, Itachi, and Hashirama for that very reason. I would exclude Hanzo as well, but they don't care about him.

not sure how this applies to itachi since unless Nardo or EMS sasuke in the mix he's a zombie with the rest of them.

 

[Unbiased]

How does it not? If Orochimaru fans use edo hokages, then they have to accept the weaknesses of having all the edo hokages.

What is stopping orochimaru from summoning just Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato? That team along with orochimaru roflstomps almost everyone.

 

[HiddenSound]

Or he can just summon some of the Kages, like Hiruzen and Tobirama.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Noo that's where your wrong.

Part 1 he controlled Hashirama to kill Hiruzen. (Manga Fact)

He can set the rest of his Edo's minds in contact bc their too weak to break it. (Manga Fact)

Hashirama he just leaves mindless.

Enough with the Orochimaru bashing.

Who lied to you saying he defeat NV?

He cant defeat the Sage, Juubi Obito & Madara.

That's a double standard. By making hokage edos part of his power, you're choosing Orochimaru at that point in time as his power.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Edo Fans tend to leave out Madara, Itachi, and Hashirama for that very reason. I would exclude Hanzo as well, but they don't care about him.

Edo Tensei Itachi will be under Kabuto's control unless the fight is against Naruto. Edo Tensei Madara will be under Kabuto's control as long as he puts the talisman in him or overrides his control, he cannot perform the Edo Tensei Release without control and that was the only reason he escaped.

Edo Tensei Hashirama is the only one who can escape Edo Tensei due to his overpowering chakra, canonically.

It is reasonable to argue that Edo Tensei Minato could overpower Edo Tensei via powering up to Biju Mode [using the full power of the Yin Kyubi].

OT:

Orochimaru debaters never include Hashirama in his arsenal.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Edo Tensei Itachi will be under Kabuto's control unless the fight is against Naruto. Edo Tensei Madara will be under Kabuto's control as long as he puts the talisman in him or overrides his control, he cannot perform the Edo Tensei Release without control and that was the only reason he escaped.

Edo Tensei Hashirama is the only one who can escape Edo Tensei due to his overpowering chakra, canonically.

It is reasonable to argue that Edo Tensei Minato could overpower Edo Tensei via powering up to Biju Mode [using the full power of the Yin Kyubi].

OT:

Orochimaru debaters never include Hashirama in his arsenal.

I edited that. What I mean is that by doing that, they're selectively removing Orochimaru's weakness. It's like saying, "Let's make MS Sasuke have all the powers he had when at his strongest but with fresh eyes."

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Even if Hashirama defected, he would still have to deal with two FTG users. While Orochimaru and Hiruzen can fight the opponent.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

So who guessed this thread was going to bomb?

Because I did.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Edo Fans tend to leave out Madara, Itachi, and Hashirama for that very reason. I would exclude Hanzo as well, but they don't care about him.

Hanzo as well?

I'm honestly curious, why?

 

[Prestonyoko]

That's a double standard. By making hokage edos part of his power, you're choosing Orochimaru at that point in time as his power.

A "double standard"?

*sigh* Somebody please explain.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

A "double standard"?

*sigh* Somebody please explain.

There's no such thing as an Orochimaru who knew that Hashirama could not be controlled. There's no Orochimaru where Hashirama wasn't one of the edos he's used. This makes him a hypothetical character like "Prime Nagato" and "Alive Minato with Kurama."

 

[Prestonyoko]

There's no such thing as an Orochimaru who knew that Hashirama could not be controlled. There's no Orochimaru where Hashirama wasn't one of the edos he's used. This makes him a hypothetical character like "Prime Nagato" and "Alive Minato with Kurama."

Actually there is, we call him CURRENT Orochimaru.

/thread

 

[a banned cartoon]

Tobirama could probably break free from Edo restrictions, with some hand seals, since he created the tech. He'd have to not be mindless of course, same goes with Hashirama since they were brothers. Tobirama would've probably thought him everything about it. We know of course Madara can.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Actually there is, we call him CURRENT Orochimaru.

/thread

Current Orochimaru has Hiruzen and a one-armed Minato.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Hanzo as well?

I'm honestly curious, why?

Hanzo was into that shady business, so he probably knew all about forbidden tech's. He was also close with Orochimaru as well.