A common misconception on NB... Hashi's cells =/= Senju DNA

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Let me start off by making a various obvious clarification. Hashi's cells are Senju DNA. What the title is meant to articulate is that Hashi's cells have characteristics that normal Senju DNA does not have.

Characteristics that Hashi's cells have that Senju DNA does not:

1. Mokuton jutsu- I have seen many people on the forums talk about Senju dna granting you Mokuton.. I don't even know how people got this in their heads but it is obviously false.

2. Hashi's cells are hard to control- I have seen many more people say that Senju cells are hard to control and that it is hard to control Senju DNA in order to maximize the gains afforded by Senju DNA.... This is false, but I can see why this misconception came about. It came about because every instance of people inserting Senju DNA into their system unnaturally has been through Hashirama's DNA.

For example Danzo, Obito, and Madara all used Hashi's DNA in order to gain Senju DNA.

Danzo:
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Obito: half of his body is an artificial Hashirama
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So all of these people have used Hashi's cells to obtain Senju DNA. However whenever they talk about the body rejecting cells Kishi always mentions Hashirama's cells and not generic Senju DNA. Notice this is the case in Danzo's scan, as well as the case of all the children Orochimaru experimented with of which Yamato is the sole survivor.

Therefore it seems that people can use generic Senju DNA to afford all the gains of Hashi's cells except without Mokuton, but with no or a significantly lower toll on their body.
 

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I feel that this is obvious. Although both Obito and Madara state that several techniques require senju dna, not hashirama's dna specifically. Namely the requirement to unlock the rinnegan, and the ability to use izanagi.
 

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Senju is their line of clan, hashi is just one of the clan thus called hashirama senju, whichever cells does hashi has, it is always referred to Senju's DNA.
 

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I feel that this is obvious. Although both Obito and Madara state that several techniques require senju dna, not hashirama's dna specifically. Namely the requirement to unlock the rinnegan, and the ability to use izanagi.

I feel like it should be too, but I have had literally dozens of people argue with me on other threads about this so I had to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills.
 

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Senju is their line of clan, hashi is just one of the clan thus called hashirama senju, whichever cells does hashi has, it is always referred to Senju's DNA.

o_O. Senju IS their clan. Hashi's Dna however is different... It is not part of the normal " Uchiha + Senju = SO6P"... Hashirama sure has the Senju clan's dna.. but he also has Mokuton...

How ever the Rinnegan can be unlocked with any Senju's Dna ( EMS also needed).

But all the OP ness is solely Hashi's Dna.

Senju Dna : Typical Senju's Dna

Hashi's Dna : Senju + special dna.

That is the difference.
 

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o_O. Senju IS their clan. Hashi's Dna however is different... It is not part of the normal " Uchiha + Senju = SO6P"... Hashirama sure has the Senju clan's dna.. but he also has Mokuton...

How ever the Rinnegan can be unlocked with any Senju's Dna ( EMS also needed).

But all the OP ness is solely Hashi's Dna.

Senju Dna : Typical Senju's Dna

Hashi's Dna : Senju + special dna.

That is the difference.

My point is that people who think Senju dna is hard to control are wrong. It is only Hashi's DNA that is hard to control. There is nothing to make us think normal Senju dna is like that.
 

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My point is that people who think Senju dna is hard to control are wrong. It is only Hashi's DNA that is hard to control. There is nothing to make us think normal Senju dna is like that.

Of course. Senju Dna itself just boosts your chakra. Nothing else really. But Hashi's dna is on a whole different level.

I agree with you.

But people also think : Madara + Hashirama = SO6P..... But thats also wrong. Hashi's Dna is different then the younger son's DNA.
 

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Long story short,

Hasirama's Dna = Senju dna and Mokuton
Every other Senju's Dna = Senju dna only.


So tobirama's dna would work for izanagi and rinnegan, but wouldn't grant mokuton, which is half the reason people want it in the first place.
 

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I'm just glad you guys agree, because people who were arguing that Senju dna has the same toll has Hashi's dna were infuriating me.
 

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o_O. Senju IS their clan. Hashi's Dna however is different... It is not part of the normal " Uchiha + Senju = SO6P"... Hashirama sure has the Senju clan's dna.. but he also has Mokuton...

How ever the Rinnegan can be unlocked with any Senju's Dna ( EMS also needed).

But all the OP ness is solely Hashi's Dna.

Senju Dna : Typical Senju's Dna

Hashi's Dna : Senju + special dna.

That is the difference.

Ok, i get ur point,the rarity of the cells of hashi was agreed explicit and exclusive but they all but same coming from the parent DNA, thus it is also called as Senju DNA generally.
 

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You don't need EMS for Rinnegan... EMS is a bonus you CAN get if you SPAM your MS... All you need is MS and to be a hybrid of Uchiha & Senju plus time.. EMS is not a requirement for Rinnegan.
 
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