I guess we should ban alcohol too. I mean we're enabling alcoholics.
To be honest, if alcohol was invented today it would not get legalized. But you are comparing a legal product to an illegal product. It's a different thing to allow something that you know is very unhealthy or to ban something which is firstly less unhealthy and also secondly has been part of a public culture around the world for thousands of years.
That's why that isn't a good argument because the comparison doesn't work.
DO you believe the ban on hard drugs is what's preventing people from using? Or do you think it's the fact that that shit can kill you at any moment that prevents people? Basically what i'm saying is, the people who are using hardcore drugs are gonna use them whether they're illegal or not.
Bolded: here's the essential point. So we agree that there's a certain group that will use drugs no matter what. But which do you think will happen when legalizing hard drugs: 1) it will increase or 2)decrease the amount of people that did not use drugs when it was criminalized and illegal?
I'd rather take away their incentive to A steal from me and B. Kill the cartels and petty drug crime all together
Who do you mean stealing from you?
Bolded: I agree and that would be the greatest benefit of this idea.
You all support bernie when he says we have a problem with prison over population, but when I present a solution, you say it's wrong.
I think it's a good solution for decreasing crime, but I do however think that it would also increase health problems.
Basically you agree that drugs are horrible for people, but you don't find the dealers personally responsible enough to do real jail time. Even though they current ruin lives. Talk about hypocrisy
That's your own strawman. I never said such a thing.
Drug legalization is a really good idea, I agree. Simple decriminalization really helped Portugal and helped people there fight the drug abuse problem that had been permeating their society. Legalization takes away revenue from the black market and it establishes an openness about drug abuse so that the people suffering from it can seek and receive help if they so wish.
Oh okay I think there's a little bit of mix up with the terms here. You are talking about
legalization when what happened in Portugal was
decriminalization. I actually thought they meant the same thing. I checked what happened with Portugal:
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and yes the new law indeed has positive effects on the society and I support it, but it's not the same thing as legalizing drugs completely:
The new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. However, the offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than ten days' supply of that substance
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