911 Dispatcher Tells Woman About To Be Sexually Assaulted There Are No Cops To Help
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Darthlawsuit
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You assume criminals obey the law. When someone shoots another not out of self defense then they are a criminal.
99.996% of guns are not abused and 99.95% of CCP holders do not.
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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Nope, show me in the post where i assume so, but what could be said is you assume people with legal guns will obey the law more better than the time when guns is illegal, EVEN common sense will tell you're the one who"s ass is full of shit
Darthlawsuit
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People who legally own guns do follow the law more. Already posted the numbers, you just seem too incompetent to read it. Learn to read.
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"The rate of denials, revocation or suspension of a license is relatively low, according to Department of Public Safety figures.
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Compared to the standard lawbreaker, the conviction rate for concealed-handgun license holders is low, according to DPS figures.
State statistics show that none of the 1,791 offenders convicted of robbery in 2007 had a concealed-carry permit. And out of 1,432 deadly conduct convictions, only 15, or 1 percent, were license holders."
The statistics disagree with your assertion.
True - people will abuse those priveleges - but the U.S. already has a firearm proliferation rate estimated near or over 100% - meaning there are more firearms in this country than people.
There are, literally, hundreds of millions of firearm holders in this country. If your assertion had any merit - our daily murder statistic would be in the hundreds of thousands.
And anyone can be a vigilantee ready to put a bullet in your head for getting out of line.
Most people just want to live their life and not be bothered by people who want to cause problems. Some gang tries to enter their neighborhood? Aint nobody got time for that - run the little wanna-be Gs back into their little fetid pool of miscreants.
The number of people who will use firearms to cause problems is small - but it's the same people who will leverage anything they can find to cause problems. They aren't hard to identify and avoid in social situations.
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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I did read it! :I learn to face reality, people with legal guns will raise crime rates
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Darthlawsuit
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Then explain how the Austrailing crime rates increased after their gun control instead of decreasing.
Now explain why we now have more guns than ever, more people in the USA have at least one gun than 2 decades ago, and our crime rates across the board are dropping.
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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None, watch the damn news and know crime happens everyday those chart is like the databook that states tobi is madara,
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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Its increasing because people are committing crimes, Same way it is with a guy with legal guns, legal guns justify killing another person, STAY ON TOPIC, How is having more guns topic related?? this topic should remain with legal guns not
having more guns. stay on topic
*sigh*... to continue feeding the troll... or not.
Eh, what the hell, I'm having as much fun as he is, probably.
Crime happens every day, yes. Drunk driving happens every day, too - and kills far more people. Should we ban alcohol and/or cars?
Do you know what is included in most of those news reports? "Sources within the police department indicate that the firearm is not registered to the murderer." or "It does not appear the weapon was purchased legally."
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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come on!! i am not a troll if i have my opinion and think guns should be illegal, i am just saying things will get out of hand no need to get all heated
Darthlawsuit
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BREAKING NEWS: Its now official, crime increases because people commit crimes. Top scientists have discovered that when people commit more crimes the crime rate goes up! More at 11PM!
You avoided the question:
Explain how the Australian crime rates increased after their gun control instead of decreasing.
Now explain why we now have more guns than ever, more people in the USA have at least one gun than 2 decades ago, and our crime rates across the board are dropping.
I used to be an expert troll and I can spot one when I see one. However he is right about having fun debating a troll with logic
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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so because i disagree with you, you assume i am a troll wow. WOWBREAKING NEWS: Its now official, crime increases because people commit crimes. Top scientists have discovered that when people commit more crimes the crime rate goes up! More at 11PM!
You avoided the question:
Explain how the Australian crime rates increased after their gun control instead of decreasing.
Now explain why we now have more guns than ever, more people in the USA have at least one gun than 2 decades ago, and our crime rates across the board are dropping.
I used to be an expert troll and I can spot one when I see one. However he is right about having fun debating a troll with logic
Those charts are fragments of what HAPPENS IN THE WORLD!!. These charts are only what police know it does not mean every thing that happens in the world is in that chart, use your brains,
I did not avoid i answered it, you btw gave me a neg rep, Because i disagree, grow up dude
Darthlawsuit
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Either you are an idiot or you are a troll as you have already said that numbers and statistics do not matter.
That was a US wide police survey, heres the whole thing:
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I gave you neg rep due to you failing to debate in an intelligent manner. You have not posted anything to back up any of your statements.
You avoided the question:
Explain how the Australian crime rates increased after their gun control instead of decreasing.
Now explain why we now have more guns than ever, more people in the USA have at least one gun than 2 decades ago, and our crime rates across the board are dropping.
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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because I disagree with you! dude reread my post again and again, those charts dont cover everything in the world. I never said it dont matter bro i said it dont cover everything, again you"re taking my posts and twisting them.
again i answered them,
Firearms are legal in the U.S. I can buy a rifle with the ability to disable police helicopters, even if they have light armors over their critical systems. Why are police helicopters not getting shot down? Because the people with the money to purchase and field that weapon enough to be proficient with it are generally content with life and see no reason to cause a problem with the cops or other people.
That's a $5,000 rifle out of the box. That's not including add-ons like a bipod, scope, etc (which can run you another $3,000 before you know what happened). The number of ranges where you could actually sight in the weapon, properly, are few and far between. Even worse - it's $5 per bullet.
Though what's really cool is that I can buy an M2 .50 caliber belt-fed semi-automatic rifle. If I'm a decent machinist, or want to contact one of my friends who is one - I can replace the steel back-plate and allow it to shoot full-auto (as it was designed... shooting semi-auto causes it to come into battery after each round, which is hard on the weapon). Those parts aren't serialized - so I could even grab them from DRMO if I know the right people.
Why isn't that a problem in this country? Because, as I said earlier, a link of 20 is going to run you $100 - 200 rounds (a relatively standard belt size) is going to run $1,000.
The type of people who could field that weapon are going to play in the white-collar crime segment, if they are out to be criminals.
The others are just avid collectors or survivalists with deep pockets who want to create their little fortress and be left alone.
It's not that you disagree.
It's that you're not really making a structured argument. You're just spouting off at random with unsupported allegations and deflections. You never really address what has been said - merely shift to a different angle or make a statement about tea and crumpets.
I've had plenty of debates with people about gun control - and never once called them trolls - because they actually gave the the sense that they were genuinely stating a case, rather than trying to 419 me.
There is a considerable amount of unreported crime. However, in the case of firearms - where injury requiring hospitalization and/or death is much higher, and the use of a firearm far more noticeable within communities... firearm crime statistics are exceptionally reliable.
As opposed to rape, theft, and other crimes where most victims never report to the authorities - and it's almost impossible for others in the community to report "we have stuff stolen at 13th and Medcaffe!" Not the case with firearms, where "shots fired!" tends to prompt an investigation and report - where police check local hospitals for gunshot victims.
This pretty much says it all....
this one shows how little people(mostly politicians and gun control people usually know about guns)
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this one shows how little people(mostly politicians and gun control people usually know about guns)
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