8 Gates Gai vs. DMS Kakashi

[salamander uchiha]

Guy gets neg diffed, this was the rematch I wanted to see between Obito and Guy

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Didn't work with Obito and a slower attack, won't work against Gai.

what are you talking about? madara never moved fast enough for obito not to be capable of phasing. The only time madara hit him(and mind you obito didnt have both eyes) is when obito tried warping entirely. and even then obito reacted and blocked both tsb's. Then when he and kakashi used both eyes together Tsb couldn't keep up.

As it was already proven, Gai's attack speed is better than Hiraishin (not proven once, but twice with Minato and Tobirama vs both regular Madara and Rikudo Madara),therefore to someone that fell to Hiraishin, 8th gate Gai should make short work of it. Given the fact that Gai, in 6th gate, has an attack so fast that with the mere friction of the air the punches turn into flame,

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in order for him to land the

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of evening elephant right?

stating that Kamui could be turn on and off in about a second is kinda conceding that he has no chance against something faster.

i said faster than a second.

Kaguya don't have any speed feat whatsoever, why would it matter if Kakashi reacted to her bone attack? (which as it happens was a long range attack, ergo more time to react)
Even sakura reacted to the "super fast" hand absorbing attack... As a matter of fact Naruto in a burst of speed cut her left arm with black zetsu in it, so Kaguya isn't a standard of speed whatsoever.

already outsped naruto:

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her portals are too fast for sasuke to react to:

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Same sasuke that blitzed madara, and flat out outsped him.

kamui outsped her portal

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and kakashi reacted to her and attacked her

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nothing. absolutely nothing puts guy's attacks on a bar that kakashi can't react to. Even rock lee could see and mentally react to 8th gate guy.

 

[MightGai]

what are you talking about? madara never moved fast enough for obito not to be capable of phasing. The only time madara hit him(and mind you obito didnt have both eyes) is when obito tried warping entirely. and even then obito reacted and blocked both tsb's. Then when he and kakashi used both eyes together Tsb couldn't keep up.



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and kakashi to use

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in order for him to land the

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of evening elephant right?




i said faster than a second.


already outsped naruto:

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her portals are too fast for sasuke to react to:

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Same sasuke that blitzed madara, and flat out outsped him.

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and kakashi reacted to her and attacked her

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nothing. absolutely nothing puts guy's attacks on a bar that kakashi can't react to. Even rock lee could see and mentally react to 8th gate guy.

- I meant it didn't work for Obito when Minato hit him with Rasengan (a slower attack in comparison, since Madara dodged / countered it almost effortlessly, twice) , therefore if Kakashi tries phasing in and out against something faster it wont work, as he could barely keep up with Gai's speed and assuming Kakashi and Obito have similar reaction speed.

- Irrelevant as Kakashi doesn't have the gudoudama shield and his only defense is Kamui (because we both agree that naturally dodging is out of the question for him, right?). Fact is, Kamui was "defeated" by Hiraishin, which in turn was defeated by Madara (twice) which in turn depended on a gudoudama shield to protect himself from Gai's Taijutsu (because again, dodging was out of the question).

- Still slower than Asakujaku's punches.

- Actually Naruto outsped her there, since he got a clone in the dimension. Plus he cut her arm off, so again, he outsped her. And actually she didn't oustped Sasuke, she changed dimensions before the attack hit so it wasn't a speed feat, it was teleportation. Also that portal attack that surprised Sasuke surprised Naruto as well, yet the other times she tried that on him he reacted to it without problems, so it was more of a surprise attack than a speed feat (else Naruto shouldn't be able to dodge it either, even after seeing how it works.). Teleportation is not speed.

- As I said before, that was a long range attack:

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- Ah, so that means 6th gate Lee has a reaction speed similar to Rikudo Madara, who can brush teleportation attacks off, and a guy that can bend space with his speed ... cool.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- I meant it didn't work for Obito when Minato hit him with Rasengan (a slower attack in comparison, since Madara dodged / countered it almost effortlessly, twice) , therefore if Kakashi tries phasing in and out against something faster it wont work, as he could barely keep up with Gai's speed and assuming Kakashi and Obito have similar reaction speed.

are we really comparing a 16 year old obito to the sage obito that fought against madara? And then trying to apply 16 year old obito feats to kakashi despite kakashi flatout saying rikudou chakra made his eyes stronger? Please don't tell me youre that big of a dumbass.

- Irrelevant as Kakashi doesn't have the gudoudama shield and his only defense is Kamui (because we both agree that naturally dodging is out of the question for him, right?). Fact is, Kamui was "defeated" by Hiraishin, which in turn was defeated by Madara (twice) which in turn depended on a gudoudama shield to protect himself from Gai's Taijutsu (because again, dodging was out of the question).

gudoudama shield is slower than kamui phasing, and for all intents and purposes is a physical reaction. That fact that madara was able to physically defend himself means he mentally reacted which means it can be mentally reacted to. The bold is a nice assumption

- Still slower than Asakujaku's punches.

Are you saying 8th gate guy's puches are slower than 6th gate guy's punches? are you really that much of a dumbass?

- Actually Naruto outsped her there, since he got a clone in the dimension. Plus he cut her arm off, so again, he outsped her. And actually she didn't oustped Sasuke, she changed dimensions before the attack hit so it wasn't a speed feat, it was teleportation. Also that portal attack that surprised Sasuke surprised Naruto as well, yet the other times she tried that on him he reacted to it without problems, so it was more of a surprise attack than a speed feat (else Naruto shouldn't be able to dodge it either, even after seeing how it works.). Teleportation is not speed.

except he didnt get a clone into the dimension. I already showed you the scan.

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the clone trying to catch her never got in.

The one you see in the other dimension got there via kamui:

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obito used kamui synced to her space time portal and then teleported himself sakura and naruto faster than she could close her own portal. So fast that they thought the 3 of them came in thru said portal. as i already pointed out rinnegan sasuke failed to react to kaguya's portal, yet kamui is faster than it.

- As I said before, that was a long range attack:

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doesnt matter he landed a hit on the fastest version of kaguya.

- Ah, so that means 6th gate Lee has a reaction speed similar to Rikudo Madara, who can brush teleportation attacks off, and a guy that can bend space with his speed ... cool.

or (and lets use our brains for this one) mentally reacting to 8th gate guy isn't as hard as youre making it out to be. U keep on bringing up madara as if he failed to react. He didn't he mentally reacted to everything and physically reacted to 90% of what guy did.

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. Madara physically reacted and put up his guard.

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. Its clear as day everyone there can mentally react to what guys is doing. If the couldnt they wouldn't be able to see him let alone comment on it. So unless youre saying base minato and second gate lee has better mental reaction speed than dms kakashi. STFU.

 

[MightGai]

are we really comparing a 16 year old obito to the sage obito that fought against madara? And then trying to apply 16 year old obito feats to kakashi despite kakashi flatout saying rikudou chakra made his eyes stronger? Please don't tell me youre that big of a dumbass.


gudoudama shield is slower than kamui phasing, and for all intents and purposes is a physical reaction. That fact that madara was able to physically defend himself means he mentally reacted which means it can be mentally reacted to. The bold is a nice assumption
Are you saying 8th gate guy's puches are slower than 6th gate guy's punches? are you really that much of a dumbass?




except he didnt get a clone into the dimension. I already showed you the scan.

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the clone trying to catch her never got in.

The one you see in the other dimension got there via kamui:

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obito used kamui synced to her space time portal and then teleported himself sakura and naruto faster than she could close her own portal. So fast that they thought the 3 of them came in thru said portal. as i already pointed out rinnegan sasuke failed to react to kaguya's portal, yet kamui is faster than it.


doesnt matter he landed a hit on the fastest version of kaguya.

or (and lets use our brains for this one) mentally reacting to 8th gate guy isn't as hard as youre making it out to be. U keep on bringing up madara as if he failed to react. He didn't he mentally reacted to everything and physically reacted to 90% of what guy did.

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. Madara physically reacted and put up his guard.

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. Its clear as day everyone there can mentally react to what guys is doing. If the couldnt they wouldn't be able to see him let alone comment on it. So unless youre saying base minato and second gate lee has better mental reaction speed than dms kakashi. STFU.

- Yep, same 16yr old Obito that, among other things, broke the seal of the kyubi, put it under his control with a glance, helped in the slaughterfest of the Uchiha clan and went toe to toe with a nin that everyone else had a "flee on sight" order and survived. Yep, same Obito. Also, "stronger" eyes (which was clear that he refered to the new Kamui derived jutsu) don't mean squat when discussing reaction speed, as Lee already explained to Sasuke.

- Yeah, he defended against the first strike, then he received the next 3 without any problems ... not an asupmtion, just facts. If he was able, he could have pulled the gudoudama sphere shield before receiving those hits, he didn't, cause he couldn't.

- True. Still, he has the arm cutting feat.

- So did Sakura

- Already explained above, and I thought that by now it should be known, mentally reacting to something doesn't mean physical reaction as well. Kamui isn't automatically triggered. Funny how a guy that can literally kick air to fly and do this:

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Suddenly loses enough speed to let Minato say "You must keep forging on no matter what Gai", let a thrown kunai reach from the ground to his position and wait for Kamui to open a space to attack. Not going to explain manga devices here, we're past that point. To make long story short, the difference in reaction and speed between 8th gate Gai and any Kakashi (doesn't really matter if he has EMS or not, his reaction speed would stay the same) is the same diference as the fight between Lee and Gaara when the first removed the weights on his legs and the latter didn't know even where to look for the attacks.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- Yep, same 16yr old Obito that, among other things, broke the seal of the kyubi, put it under his control with a glance, helped in the slaughterfest of the Uchiha clan and went toe to toe with a nin that everyone else had a "flee on sight" order and survived. Yep, same Obito.

None of that makes 16 year old obito equal to war arc obito or rikudo obito. You're fcking insane if you think that.
@ bold. Obito was in his twenties when he killed the uchiha clan.

Also, "stronger" eyes (which was clear that he refered to the new Kamui derived jutsu) don't mean squat when discussing reaction speed, as Lee already explained to Sasuke.

It means everything. Enhanced occular abilities means everything the eye does is improved. That includes tracking opponents.

- Yeah, he defended against the first strike, then he received the next 3 without any problems ... not an asupmtion, just facts. If he was able, he could have pulled the gudoudama sphere shield before receiving those hits, he didn't, cause he couldn't.

And then he defended against the fastest 5th punch. Meaning he could mentally and physically react to all 5. Just facts bro.

- True. Still, he has the arm cutting feat.

- So did Sakura

she wasn't even looking at sakura where as kaguya active tried to attack kakashi and got raikiri for it.

- Already explained above, and I thought that by now it should be known, mentally reacting to something doesn't mean physical reaction as well. Kamui isn't automatically triggered. Funny how a guy that can literally kick air to fly and do this:

kamui is mentally activated. Meaning he does not need to physically react.

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Suddenly loses enough speed to let Minato say "You must keep forging on no matter what Gai", let a thrown kunai reach from the ground to his position and wait for Kamui to open a space to attack. Not going to explain manga devices here, we're past that point. To make long story short, the difference in reaction and speed between 8th gate Gai and any Kakashi (doesn't really matter if he has EMS or not, his reaction speed would stay the same) is the same diference as the fight between Lee and Gaara when the first removed the weights on his legs and the latter didn't know even where to look for the attacks.

the kunai was thrown by 6th gate lee, even though we already made it clear as fck that even 2nd gate lee could track guy's movements.

you have yet to prove that kakashi cant mentally react to guy so the bold is a load of horseshit.

 

[MightGai]

None of that makes 16 year old obito equal to war arc obito or rikudo obito. You're fcking insane if you think that.
@ bold. Obito was in his twenties when he killed the uchiha clan.



It means everything. Enhanced occular abilities means everything the eye does is improved. That includes tracking opponents.


And then he defended against the fastest 5th punch. Meaning he could mentally and physically react to all 5 . Just facts bro.




she wasn't even looking at sakura where as kaguya active tried to attack kakashi and got raikiri for it.

kamui is mentally activated. Meaning he does not need to physically react.



the kunai was thrown by 6th gate lee, even though we already made it clear as fck that even 2nd gate lee could track guy's movements.

you have yet to prove that kakashi cant mentally react to guy so the bold is a load of horseshit.

- Did his Kamui or reaction speed somehow changed between those times? if it didn't, then yeah, it's comparable.

- Oh, so Nagato, for having the Rinnegan when he was a child was better at tracking his opponents (not in the shared vision, but alone, with one pair of rinnegan only) than, let's say, EMS Madara or even Hashirama. Cool, then I guess if Madara can't really dodge or defend against Gai then EMS Kamui Kakashi has no chances against him.

- But he didn't, and that's the fact :lol:

- And Sasuke was even't looking (behind him) when Kaguya grabbed him from behind, yet you try to use that as some sort of reaction feat.

- Same as the gudoudama shield, yet Gai hit him 3 times before plot armor took place.

- What does it matter which gate lee was when he threw the Kunai? The point is:

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There should be about 10 to 15 mts of distance between Madara and the circle Gai is running in, yet somehow someone that is fast enough to bend space, connect 4 attacks before the first one ended, make fire out of thin air due to the friction and speed of his punches, kick the air to fly (and make that little circle on the above image) suddely took ... I don't know, 10 secs? maybe more or less between what Minato said, Lee's Kunai , Gaara's sand and Kakashi's Kamui, of time to get from the edge of that circle to where Madara was, meaning he suddenly moved aprox. at walking speed ... you're trying to use a manga device here (to properly explain that sequence and how a breach in the gudoudama could be made for Gai to attack) as some sort of slow speed feat where everyone could react to 8th Gate Gai, while in truth all we need is to know that at his max speed, he hit Madara thrice before he even knew what was going on and mentally react to put his shield up, and as you above conceded that by having better eyes = better reaction / tracking speed, then doing that to an EMS Kakashi is akin to what Lee did to Gaara.

See ya.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- Did his Kamui or reaction speed somehow changed between those times? if it didn't, then yeah, it's comparable.

So youre a dumbass. Got it. Since its clear as day that his reaction speed improved.

- Oh, so Nagato, for having the Rinnegan when he was a child was better at tracking his opponents (not in the shared vision, but alone, with one pair of rinnegan only) than, let's say, EMS Madara or even Hashirama. Cool, then I guess if Madara can't really dodge or defend against Gai then EMS Kamui Kakashi has no chances against him.

Stop staw manning. Nagato lacked the ability to use sharingan and mangekyou sharingan basic abilities despite having the rinnegan. Hence no susanoo, no chakra sight, and by extension no enhanced perception tracking. Furthermore, his eyes were not enhanced by sage powers.

- But he didn't, and that's the fact :lol:

His choice. Its not my fault you failed to relize madara was playing him the entire time. No limbo, no sage techs, nothing. All madara used was gudoudama and taijutsu against guy.

- And Sasuke was even't looking (behind him) when Kaguya grabbed him from behind, yet you try to use that as some sort of reaction feat.

It is a reaction feat because naruto was able to react to it despite also not looking behind. This is further more cemented by the fact that its not the first time naruto or sasuke saw that technique. Yet despite seeing it already and knowing it is in her arsenal sasuke failed to react twice.

- Same as the gudoudama shield, yet Gai hit him 3 times before plot armor took place.

Lol calling it plot armour? lol yep now i know not to take you seriously anymore. I shouldn't even address the rest.

- What does it matter which gate lee was when he threw the Kunai? The point is:

i matters because a 2nd gat lee can mentally see 8th gate guy, and a 6th gat lee can physically intercept an 8th gate guy. Kakashi is light years above both when he has dms so he can react the same way lee did. And there's nothing you can do to disprove it.

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There should be about 10 to 15 mts of distance between Madara and the circle Gai is running in, yet somehow someone that is fast enough to bend space, connect 4 attacks before the first one ended, make fire out of thin air due to the friction and speed of his punches, kick the air to fly (and make that little circle on the above image) suddely took ... I don't know, 10 secs? maybe more or less between what Minato said, Lee's Kunai , Gaara's sand and Kakashi's Kamui, of time to get from the edge of that circle to where Madara was, meaning he suddenly moved aprox. at walking speed ... you're trying to use a manga device here (to properly explain that sequence and how a breach in the gudoudama could be made for Gai to attack) as some sort of slow speed feat where everyone could react to 8th Gate Gai, while in truth all we need is to know that at his max speed, he hit Madara thrice before he even knew what was going on and mentally react to put his shield up, and as you above conceded that by having better eyes = better reaction / tracking speed, then doing that to an EMS Kakashi is akin to what Lee did to Gaara.

See ya.

Im im reading is "wahh wahh" i cant believe its not as fast as i'm trying to make it out to be, and ppl can still see him.

The only time kakashi couldn't see guy's attack was when he used

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. He openly admits he doesn't know what happened. So in all actuality he was able to see and mentally react to guy using all 5 punches of evening elephant.

HOWEVER night guy requires guy to go into its stance:

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that stance is something kakashi can easily react to and throw up kamui before he even starts moving, since it requires prep. guy goes flying through him. breaks his leg then kakashi finishes him off.


Last reply. Cuz youre a fckin dumbass.

 

[MightGai]

So youre a dumbass. Got it. Since its clear as day that his reaction speed improved.

Proof.

Stop staw manning. Nagato lacked the ability to use sharingan and--

Irrelevant. Better eyes = better tracking as you said, so please don't make any excuses.

His choice. Its not my fault you failed to relize madara was playing him the entire time. No limbo, no sage techs, nothing. All madara used was gudoudama and taijutsu against guy.

Sure, that's why he almost died, cause it was all a game :lol:

It is a reaction feat because naruto was able to react to it despite also not looking behind. This is further more cemented by the fact that its not the first time naruto or sasuke saw that technique. Yet despite seeing it already and knowing it is in her arsenal sasuke failed to react twice.

That was the first time Kaguya used it like that, and the second time Naruto was already aware of her plan to send him to another dimension. So , no.

Lol calling it plot armour?

Yup. Not that it lasted long tho.

i matters because--

Sure, it matters because it proves that 8th Gate Gai speed is walking speed. Sure.

Im im reading is "wahh wahh"--

I expected as much, since the truth would be too much to handle :lol:

The only time kakashi couldn't see guy's attack was when he used

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Lemme just stop your fanfic here. Kakashi asks "what happened?" because Gai attack blew shit up, including them, so there was no way Kakashi could see the kick or what happened afterwards. It was not due to Gai's speed. See? I even have to explain these stuff to give you a helping hand.

Last reply. Cuz youre a fckin dumbass.

Don't get mad, get better

 

[Edogawa]

i dont know. if Gai is capable of distorting space he should be able to harm kakashi if he is intangible.

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While the attack itself may not cause harm to kakashi. From a physics stand point I imagine if Kakashi is tethered to this world while phased to Kamui while Gai distorts space this could cause some serious problems lol

Kakashi is not affected by the space-time of the area Night Guy affects, when he's intangible since he's technically non-existent at that event. From a physics stand point, you're a retard and in need of education. A basic Google search would have saved you from humiliation.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Gai is overrated
because of only his 8 gates attack people start riding him thinking he is top tier character

and some people think he even stronger than EMS madara and can smash Perfect susanoo in pieces
( i am not joking ) ....



Kakashi takes this low/mid diff at best​

 

[Holy God]

Kakashi is not affected by the space-time of the area Night Guy affects, when he's intangible since he's technically non-existent at that event. From a physics stand point, you're a retard and in need of education. A basic Google search would have saved you from humiliation.

Actually, his entire body is still in the original dimension until some part is overlapped by another object, meaning he could very well experience the spacial distortion.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Actually, his entire body is still in the original dimension until some part is overlapped by another object, meaning he could very well experience the spacial distortion.

as i already said,

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until it actuall

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. he can bend it all he want it isn't gonna amount to anything. and until he rips into a new dimension it might as well be as cosmetic as fortnite's microtransactions.

 

[Holy God]

as i already said,

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. he can bend it all he want it isn't gonna amount to anything. and until he rips into a new dimension it might as well be as cosmetic as fortnite's microtransactions.

Deidara very clearly notices the effects before it "rips". It may not provide lasting change but it is still there in that moment.

 

[Scryed]

Evening Elephant is an Air Cannon that doesn't overlap with Kakashi's body so Kamui's phasing isn't going to work against it. However, I doubt Gai can get through Susanoo regardless. Going into Kamui dimension and coming out after the 8 Gates run out is the easiest win if that's allowed.