[VS] 7G Gai vs Base Minato

[Forbidden Technique]

Same taijutsu style as Might Gai's stated to be too linear (Gai approached Madara in the same linear manner, as did SM Minato)

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Only thing unorthodox is the loopy fist skill [

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]. I know however that my very simple explanation will enter your left ear and go out by the right ear, so because of this i only made this post for people who don't fabricate the manga and can understand logic when it comes to Minato; and not the ones who attempt to prove why he can use SM in his fights when the character stated he couldn't.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Dumbass. If he couldn't use it in fights, than means he can't use the ability plain and simple. Never said he couldn't use it in fights either.

 

[Bogard]

For someone who can't use it in combat, funny how he used it against Madara Lol

Also funny how narutopedia guys said he could

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Wonder who are the idiots here Lol But of course i wasn't trying to reply to a stupid Gai wanker so no need to reply back. We don't need you here

 

[Haizaki]

Base Bee shit on Sharingan Sasuke [

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Sharingan Sasuke however can dodge V1 Bee [

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What relevance is this? I was showing you Sasuke traveling in Mid air like Gai's scenario and therefore, that wasn't their full speed.

Why is that? Base Bee > V1 Bee in speed now? Nope, don't be ridiculous and try to understand before wanking

Says this guy Lol. That was damn irrelevant if you din't know. Base B engage Sasuke in a CQC with 8 swords while Gai has 2 hands Lol. When B ran at a sick Sasuke, this happened

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Sasuke evaded him but couldn't keep up in a CQC. Your comparison is too flawed.

The reason Base Bee could accomplish something V1 Bee couldn't is because in his swords style, his movements are harder to predict [

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Even an experienced sword user like Suigetsu said "you can't read his swords path at all".

So you don't mention his 8 swords usage? This guy. You don't talk about how there's a difference between running at someone with one hand in mid air and using 8 swords to engage some who's extremely close to you? Flawed response.

In V1 however, like Sasuke said, while he is faster, his movements became too linear making it easy for his sharingan to follow [

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Your logic doesn't work...Running at someone is different from engaging someone in a close combat fight already. Sasuke proved you wrong when I posted a scan of him evading Base B running at him or so. The only time he got touched was when he actually engaged him which he didn't against V1 but rather evaded him.

Not to mention, B only hit Sasuke twice when he threw his sword since Sasuke evaded him

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He never actually slashed Sasuke. In the second scan, this was the reason why he could even throw his sword at Sasuke

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It's the same thing with Gai's taijutsu expertise. He possess an unorthodox taijutsu style making it harder for the opponent to predict his movements [

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I wonder how you relate this things. First your B attempt was extremely flawed..Now you relate Lee's drunken fist taijutsu style with Gai's strong fist? Clearly flawed.

Gai's movements maybe unpredictable but it still doesn't change anything I said. Simple. The Sharingan can read unpredictable movements since it can see before hand but in some cases aren't fast enough to react. Itachi shat on your B logic.

The difficulty in Gai's taijutsu is to predict his movements. And in gated mode, he gains 10times more power than usual

I know this. Stop with the bold ok, strong fist taijutsu uses predictable movements.

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It's not unpredictable since Kimmimaro could read it and said it was Linear.

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I know this and this is too irrelevant.

In 7th gate, he can produce a combat move(Afternoon tiger) which consist of using punch faster than any other

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Is this the Viz?

Gai's Hirudora requires a hand seal. The punch itself is fast but Gai's use of it is not as fast as his normal punches in the 7G since he has to stop to use the hand seal first.

Notice that in all the descriptions of Gated Gai taijutsu movements it was all the time talking about a boost in power, a faster taijutsu(or combat move) along with an unorthodox style

Flawed flawed flawed.

Gai only uses unorthodox style when he uses weapons.

The gates give a boost in his physical capabilities making it hard to react since you read slower. However, the taijutsu remains Linear but faster and harder to read. Meaning we have an enhanced Gai who still fights how he usually does.

His reflexes, perception, precognition sensing was never given. The reason Minato got shat on by Madara Jin was because of his highly perceptive precognition sensing allowing him to notify attacks in advance. Alongside that, Madara Jin obviously gets a boost in attack speed because of the Jubi's power increasing his physical capacity, but the high precognition sensing here is what you guys completely overlook and considering Minato used a straight forward attack, it's easier to predict with this sort of highly precognition sensing than an overboosted fast and unorthodox taijutsu(combat move) that Gai can produce in 7th Gate

You don't know what you're talking about. Minato teleports making it even harder. Meanwhile Madara can sense Gai since Gai physically moves at him. Notice how Gai stops here first and then delivers his attack (Top right panel)

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Notice how he ran straight at Madara.

Gai uses a linear approach but his speed is what makes his movements inhuman and since he becomes much faster, his taijutsu becomes the same. Just like Lee told Sasuke, even if you can see, you can't react. Argue against the Kimmi scan I showed. Gai physically ran at Madara and therefore he could be sense by Madara. Madara had the Sharingan that can see through the Aura since it's not chakra.

I know however that my explanation will enter your left ear and go out by the right ear, so because of this i only made this post for people who can understand logic when it comes to Gai

Just no Bogard..I actually think you're a good debater but this post made me know your knowledge in Gai's ability is not above average.

First and foremost, learn the difference between Iron fist Taijutsu and Drunken fist Taijutsu. I explained it above so this enitre post itself was flawed.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol FT already dropped the Iron fist and Drunken fist difference. Nice

Nice Bogard for ignoring that and jumping into something else and also using wikia as well Lmaoo..See why I said your entire post was flawed? You didn't know the difference and that was you excuse or rather your reason for Minato failing and Gai succeeding which alone shows that if that logic is wrong, then you're definitely wrong on this topic.

 

[maniaoqan]

Minato doesn't need to tag Gai. He negged Raikage without marking him. Gai is stupid. He is brash, he just attacks head on. Against Minato it would be his downfall.

 

[Bogard]

Lol FT already dropped the Iron fist and Drunken fist difference. Nice

Nice Bogard for ignoring that and jumping into something else and also using wikia as well Lmaoo..See why I said your entire post was flawed? You didn't know the difference and that was you excuse or rather your reason for Minato failing and Gai succeeding which alone shows that if that logic is wrong, then you're definitely wrong on this topic.

I didn't bother replying to that because it was beside the point. My point was to show by the Bee example that speed isn't the only factor in close range combat and that an unorthodox style can sometimes be more troublesome in close range than a speedster. Gai specialises in Taijutsu. His close range combat is the best. Gai has always received hype in taijutsu's skills. Madara himself said it's his taijutsu skills that he had never witnessed before. It's not like his speed was out of this world or something, no it's his taijutsu that was totally unpredictable. Gates obviously gives him a boost in speed and power, but more importantly, it's his taijutsu skills that are difficult to predict. Don't forget Gai used to train in order to counter Kakashi's sharingan and by Kakashi's sharingan, is the the Sharingan precognition included. He created this style exactly because the Sharingan was troublesome to him and grew accustomed to it, with the boost in gates and the taijutsu moves in respective gates opening upgrading the dangerosity and unpredictibility of his moves even more.

 

[Benjamin King]

River rustled NFL player's jimmies.

 

[Haizaki]

I didn't bother replying to that because it was beside the point. My point was to show by the Bee example that speed isn't the only factor in close range combat and that an unorthodox style can sometimes be more troublesome in close range than a speedster. Gai specialises in Taijutsu. His close range combat is the best. Gai has always received hype in taijutsu's skills. Madara himself said it's his taijutsu skills that he had never witnessed before. It's not like his speed was out of this world or something, no it's his taijutsu that was totally unpredictable. Gates obviously gives him a boost in speed and power, but more importantly, it's his taijutsu skills that are difficult to predict. Don't forget Gai used to train in order to counter Kakashi's sharingan and by Kakashi's sharingan, is the the Sharingan precognition included. He created this style exactly because the Sharingan was troublesome to him and grew accustomed to it, with the boost in gates and the taijutsu moves in respective gates opening upgrading the dangerosity and unpredictibility of his moves even more.

Yes I understand but were you don't get is Gai's Taijutsu is not unorthodox. His gates increases his physical capabilities so we basically have a far more enhanced Gai doing the same thing. Minato is faster when it comes to moving from A to B while Gai outclasses him in stinking and reactions. This is very clear as Kimmimaro said it is Linear.

Your reason was because Gai's style is unorthodox which was proven to be wrong since it is linear. With that known, my point is that if his Taijutsu is linear, then obviously the display against Madara was an enhanced linear version. Meaning we saw a faster style of his previous form..it's really simple. The first thing that happened against Madara was a fast straight punch that forced him to block meaning it was linear and fast since Madara had precognition and sensing but was still forced to block. It's linear so his next attack could be seen before hand but he was simply too fast and that's why Madara was forced to block again since he reacts fast enough to move and deliver his next attack before a counterattack/strike could be made.

Please Bogard this is really simple,

- Gai's Taijutsu(Iron fist) is a linear pattern

- Gai's gates enhances his physical capabilities so we see an enhanced linear version of his previous form.

- It's too fast and surpasses precognition since the other opponent can't do a thing except block like Madara's case but inferior ones would be struck down.

- His speed is greatly enhanced since he can then move fast enough to deliver those strikes and even react fast enough to pull another strike like in Madara's case. That's why Gaara refers to his movements as not human.

- This is a bit different since in B's case Sasuke was only hit when B threw his sword at him. When B has 8 swords and Gai has 2 hands, When I showed Sasuke evading his dance by merely moving back

My point is Gai movement speed from A to B is also fast but even though it's not the fastest, he can move from A to B fast enough to deliver the fastest strikes and pull of the fastest reactions excluding Juubi Jins and people with the Rikudou chakra.

 

[Touken]

Evani and FT going HAM on this thread.

It's beautiful.

 

[Rιver]

I think someone, most likely FT, is having a bad day. Chill pill is what you need.

Fam, I'll just say Gai wins for the jokes and let this end here. Apparently it's very hard for you to accept that your favorite can't always win in a fictional fight.

Seriously take some meds and do something about the anger, you look like that mad guy with some mental health problems who eats Doritos and Coke all night while raging in his moms basement just because his facebook friend request got rejected by a hobo.

Check yourself befo' you wreck yourself. Yea, lol.

 

[Haizaki]

Prideful way of conceding Lol.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Prideful way of conceding Lol.

Yawn, I guess that's all the boy had after trying so hard. Then we got Bogard over here in all seriousness quoting the wiki as if Minato didn't blatantly say he doesn't use it in battle because he's horrible at it Lol! Fabricating the manga until the day he dies. I can't with these guys.

 

[Haizaki]

Yawn, I guess that's all the boy had after trying so hard. Then we got Bogard over here in all seriousness quoting the wiki as if Minato didn't blatantly say he doesn't use it in battle because he's horrible at it Lol! Fabricating the manga until the day he dies. I can't with these guys.

The dude said Gai and Lee don't have good reflexes and in all seriousness told me before that Madara was messing with Gai. Kids these days would use anything to downplay things.

Lool I've explained my piece to Bogard. It's more than evident he's wrong ever since he implied Drunken fist was the same as Strong fist which shows his entire logic was wrong ever since. Given the fact that he based the Minato/Gai scenario on that, there's absolutely no way he's correct. They call it wank but yet don't have their facts right, yet can't give an explanation to the Gai, Madara and Minato scenario despite everything speaking for itself.

 

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[Forbidden Technique]

The dude said Gai and Lee don't have good reflexes and in all seriousness told me before that Madara was messing with Gai. Kids these days would use anything to downplay things.

Lool I've explained my piece to Bogard. It's more than evident he's wrong ever since he implied Drunken fist was the same as Strong fist which shows his entire logic was wrong ever since. Given the fact that he based the Minato/Gai scenario on that, there's absolutely no way he's correct. They call it wank but yet don't have their facts right, yet can't give an explanation to the Gai, Madara and Minato scenario despite everything speaking for itself.

Lmao, garbage. Like, what? You serious right now dawg? Shit don't even make sense. Didn't know it was that hard to read and comprehend the manga.

Lol, I blame it on myself. Rarely do I ever waste my time reading Bogards posts but then I saw that manga panel of Bee and was like where is he even going with this? Much to my surprise... fabrication and pulling shit out his ass. Can never read one of his posts and not think the boy a little lowkey retarded, but anyways. Yeah, they all call it wank, but no one could provide even a half decent counter seeing as every attempt had absolutely no basis from the manga. It's so simple too. Exhausted 7G Gai pushed Madara back, SM Minato failed to do anything. Like, what is there to even dispute? It's manga fact, just accept it. Ah well, the Vs section in a nutshell.

 

[Bogard]

Yes I understand but were you don't get is Gai's Taijutsu is not unorthodox.

Okay i read again and i concede on this part. His taijutsu is indeed not unorthodox

His gates increases his physical capabilities so we basically have a far more enhanced Gai doing the same thing. Minato is faster when it comes to moving from A to B while Gai outclasses him in stinking and reactions. This is very clear as Kimmimaro said it is Linear.

I already admitted that 7 gated Gai had better striking speed than Minato on my first post. What i don't agree with however is that he has better reactions than him. Pay in mind that during the start of his offensive against Madara Jin, Madara never striked back. To notice the reaction speed of someone is when he is actually attacked. Madara on the other side was only dodging from the back. When he actually attacked(to cut down Gai's Hirudora), he did it so fast Gai didn't even have time to complete the Hirudora and was sent relying before he even noticed

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You said it yourself. It increases his physical capacities only. Nowhere is it stated that Gates upgrade his reactions. With this in mind, there is no reason for me to assume he can react to Minato's shunshin or Hiraishin if he couldn't to Naruto's that was compared to Minato's speed

Please Bogard this is really simple,

- Gai's gates enhances his physical capabilities so we see an enhanced linear version of his previous form.

Agreed

- It's too fast and surpasses precognition since the other opponent can't do a thing except block like Madara's case but inferior ones would be struck down.

Agreed

My point is Gai movement speed from A to B is also fast but even though it's not the fastest, he can move from A to B fast enough to deliver the fastest strikes and pull of the fastest reactions excluding Juubi Jins and people with the Rikudou chakra.

And this is where i disagree. All what i concede is on the part his attack speed is fast enough to surpass Madara jin's precognition. However, i disagree with him having faster reactions than Minato. Gai's reactions are roughly on par with Sharingan Kakashi [

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[Forbidden Technique]

Just shut up forbidden shit. I never used Wiki as a way to prove my points. It was just to show you how close-minded you were if you thought i was the only one who were thinking this way

I'm sorry, Bogard. I hope you're not mad at me. Let's start over. Wanna be fwwwiends?

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[Bogard]

There is no point to be mad of someone i don't even care about