[VS] 7G Gai vs Base Minato

[Forbidden Technique]

Striking speed of guy doesn't even matter here, it's the speed in which he approaches minato that is important. Ay's fastest punch = his fastest striking speed. Anything slower or equal to this speed can be evaded by minato and countered simultaneously. Can Guy notice a kunai tossed into his blind spot, left behind by minato after teleporting? If he doesn't see that, he'll get sliced.

People thinking guy won't get marked -_- it's utterly stupid to go CQC against minato, he will no doubt be marked (all minato has to do is block one punch with his palm and that equals marking on guys fist). Even if it means minato taking a hit in order to do so, it will be done. With full knowledge, guy would never do something so risky when he knows his opponent can touch him. I haven't even the mentioned the fact that minato can use a shadow clone to better counter guy. He may be able to match minato or outmatch 1 minato in CQC, but how about 2? One fends off guys assault while the other attempts to get behind guy and mark him.

One mistake by guy and he's dead, that one marking finishes everything, and the chances are highly likely due to guys fighting style. Intel is better for Minatos sake, he knows what 7th gate is capable of. Minato has no problem backing off with FTG/shunshin, using clone feints and FTG lv 2 to get in close.

Oh boy. Striking speed doesn't matter here... I should of stopped reading right there. Striking speed is possibly the most significant factor in this fight. With a fast enough striking speed, FTG is near useless [

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]. Ay's striking speed is tiers below Gais; I have no idea why you brought that up. And Minato is going to leave a kunai in Gai's blindspot... how?

What's utterly stupid is you believing Minato somehow catches Gai's fist, much less blocks Gai's striking speed that can spark giant fireballs out of the friction in the air and create giant air blasts strong enough to obliterate Madaras V3 susano'o. Engaging Gai in CQC results in Minato catching a Haymaker punch to the face, if he doesn't FTG away in time. Creating Kage Bunshins would be Minato's best bet, but then again, Gai is more then capable of covering his backside [

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]. Were discussing Minato attempting to engage the best and most skilled taijutsu user with reflexes/striking and body speed able to push back a Jubi Jin while he was exhausted. Put your fandom to aside, and get real.

In the scenario that Gai get's tagged, the match is far from over. I already provided scans that FTG without the appropriate striking speed accomplishes nothing. Minato appearing before Gai like he did to Jubi Jin Madara get's haymakered, better yet, hit with Morning Peacock. A single Rasengan or Kunai slash doesn't even end the fight seeing as Gai's body is as durable as steel.

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Except that V2 E got completely trashed and schooled by Minato, so using that point is pointless. Also, no. Minato is a sensor, and it was stated E has reactions on par with Minato.

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If anything, E has better reflexes than Gai because one was noted to be on par with a sensor, and the other not so much. Minato has portrayed skills to even blitz intangible people, lol.

So Minato can react to him with Hiraishin and can tag him, but depends if he can land a blow fast enough.

Yeah, unfortunately Ay's striking speed is trash in comparison to Gai's, so not really. Minato being a sensor or Ay having reflexes on par with Minato has nothing to do with anything in this fight, and doesn't strengthen your point in the slightest. If anything, Gai has better reflexes then both Ay and Minato because that is what has been shown in the manga.

A) Edo SM Minato (Better reflexes then base)

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B) Exhausted Gai who has been fighting in and out of gates throughout the war

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So Minato can react to him with Hiraishin but won't be able to tag him because his reflexes/striking speed isn't even remotely close to Gai's.

How exactly Gai is touching Minato ? Sure 7th Gate Gai move agaisnt Madara can solo 99% of the NV that doesn't have S/T Technique . The Worst Scenari For Minato is to outlast Gai which he can do very easily . Gai doesn't have superior reflexes to Minato my friend , he may have superior striking speed but not reflexes , A shunshin is faster than Gai in 7th Gate , it doesnt matter if A has 1 burst of it or permanent like Gai while he is inthe gates state . Minato will react to the attempts of Gai , as I said in the worst Scenario Minato will just keep teleporting and will outlast Gai .

Jesus Christ... these Minato fans. I don't know man, both Sage Mode Edo Minato and exhausted 7G Gai engaged the same exact one eye Jubi Jin Madara in CQC; the former got wrecked, while the latter pushed him back. You tell me who has better reflexes.

KCM Minato, who has better reflexes then his base form and probably even SM, got hit by Juubito who couldn't even control the Jubi yet [

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], while Gai who has been exhausting himself throughout the war contested Jubi Jin Madara and you Minato fans have the audacity to say Minato's reflexes is better then Gai's. Stop it.

Minato is just going to keep on teleporting himself around a million times in attempt to outlast Gai? Yes, because Gai doesn't have 5/5 in stamina and can't momentarily shut off his gates; not to mention the AoE of Hirudora is massive.

 

[Rιver]

The user above me proved my point.

 

[Rιver]

Yeah, unfortunately Ay's striking speed is trash in comparison to Gai's, so not really. Minato being a sensor or Ay having reflexes on par with Minato has nothing to do with anything in this fight, and doesn't strengthen your point in the slightest. If anything, Gai has better reflexes then both Ay and Minato because that is what has been shown in the manga.

A) Edo SM Minato (Better reflexes then base)

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B) Exhausted Gai who has been fighting in and out of gates throughout the war

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So Minato can react to him with Hiraishin but won't be able to tag him because his reflexes/striking speed isn't even remotely close to Gai's.

7th Gate? Proof? Yeah, exactly. Gai being able to tag for two clashes with Madara who didn't even attack doesn't automatically mean Gai can actually fight with him. If 7th Gate Gai = Madara, how did Madara tag with him on 8th? Implying 8th Gate = 7th Gate in speed? Yea no.

Gai has better reflexes? Since when? Because no. Minato had reflexes fast enough to school MS Obito. Minato had speed fast enough to scatter 4 kunai across Juubi while warping Bijuu Dama. This guy was portrayed fastest and one with one of the best reflexes in the manga. And you say not only does it have no meaning, Gai has better? lol, wut? Stop smoking that kush son.

Gai being fast doesn't mean he has good reflexes. Was Lee fast? Yeah. Did he have good reflexes? Yeah, no. Instead he was trashed by Kimimaro and stated himself his vision gets blurry while running at top speed. Who's to say same doesn't happen to Gai? No one.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Actually It Was Stated That Ei Uses Raiton Chakra To Augment His Reflexes To A Comparable Level To THE YELLOW FLASH.

Without His Raiton Armor He's Not Fast...If Ei's Reflexes Was Better Than Minato Then Minato Shouldn't Be Able To React To His Fastest Attack...

No, the BUT came after the initial claim that Ei's reflexes where comparable to Minatos. Which indicates that prior to augmenting reflexes with Raiton, Ei's reflexes are comparable to Minatos.

No, it just means that Ei would be able to react to his own Raiton clad speed. Ei has yet to not react to something so I find that comepletely plausible.

 

[ARGUS]

Guy still wins this

 

[Tobiramas]

Minato wins

 

[Haizaki]

7th Gate? Proof? Yeah, exactly. Gai being able to tag for two clashes with Madara who didn't even attack doesn't automatically mean Gai can actually fight with him. If 7th Gate Gai = Madara, how did Madara tag with him on 8th? Implying 8th Gate = 7th Gate in speed? Yea no.

- Ay tried to strike Minato, Minato not only teleported away but came back to that spot to strike Ay back while Ay was still in the same position

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. Minato striking speed>> Ay's

- Who cares how Madara tagged 8G Gai when we it was an off screen event? Main point is, 7G Gai displayed better striking/reaction speed prompting Gaara to refer to his movements as inhuman. To the extent were he couldn't be struck in a physical confrontation unlike Minato. Surprising a Jin twice. The terrible excuse most of you use these days "He was only messing with Gai" yet the he was serious with Minato and Tobirama. Yet if such movements were seen before, I wonder why Gaara a Kage would be surprised saying they're "inhuman"

Gai has better reflexes? Since when? Because no. Minato had reflexes fast enough to school MS Obito. Minato had speed fast enough to scatter 4 kunai across Juubi while warping Bijuu Dama. This guy was portrayed fastest and one with one of the best reflexes in the manga. And you say not only does it have no meaning, Gai has better? lol, wut? Stop smoking that kush son.

Lol so? Base Gai was taking an older Rinnegan Obito head on showing good reflexes as well

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and even from a blind spot

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7G Gai has better reflexes than Minato. Minato strikes but before he could land his strike, Madara reacts and strikes back with him not being able to react. Madara's striking and reactions>>Minato's

Let's see, Gai strikes making contact. Madara reacts but is unable to strike back because Gai already reacted fast enough to move and deliver another strike.. Gai's striking and reaction speed>>Minato's
People really don't know why Gaara referred to his movements as inhuman after showing that against a Jin.

Call it wank, I call it fact. This guy was portrayed to be the fastest and yet this happened against a slower opponent with him teleporting and reacting after he was struck despite being in a stronger mode ?

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He may be the fastest but Gai showed better CQC feats in terms of speed.

Gai being fast doesn't mean he has good reflexes. Was Lee fast? Yeah. Did he have good reflexes? Yeah, no. Instead he was trashed by Kimimaro and stated himself his vision gets blurry while running at top speed. Who's to say same doesn't happen to Gai? No one.

Dear Lord have mercy. The Bold is unbelievable.

What's wrong with most of you good debaters these days? Is it that you don't know anything concerning Gai or you just skip scans that he shows feats in. The other day, someone I consider a good debater said 7G Gai can't evade Amaterasu.

I'll ignore you said the Gai part completely. Lee just came back from the hospital against Kimmi and even though he was outclassing Kimmi with his drunken fist to the extent where he reacted to such movements here

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his Drunken fist Taijutsu is not as good as the Gates. A young drunk Lee who just got back from the hospital was beating the heck out of someone of beat KN0 Naruto without him being able to lay a finger on Kimmi even with clones

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and that version of Naruto blitz Sasuke afterwards.

Not that it has to do with Gai's case, but Base Gai being able to react to Obito in a close combat fight despite already swinging(as I showed you earlier on

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should at least tell you he has good reflexes. I'm not talking about the Gates yet Lol.

 

[makosheva7]

Restricting Gai's turtle makes this a stomp for Minato.

 

[AshurSeku]

Minato awakens the 8th gates and demolishes Gai.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Ugh. I can't believe the Minato underrating and Guy wank has gotten to this point!


Let me make this simple. It's true that Minato cannot match 7G Guy head-on. I'm not implying that. It's suicide, and Minato gets destroyed. However, what the Guy fanboys aren't taking into consideration is that Minato's style isn't blitzing so much as trapping.(like Tobirama)


Minato's victories have been using baiting and using FTG to capitalize on mistakes.

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Minato can simply bait Guy and use FTG to counter him and strike from behind ect. Remember, activating the 7th gate is constantly hurting Guy, so he has to commit to an attack once he activates it, so Guy needs direct confrontation, which Minato can easily exploit.


Minato can react to Guy as seen that Minato not only managed to teleport back and forth in front of Guy in his 8G, but he also managed to teleport away with the TSBS with perfect timing before they could do true damage to his body.

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Minato can react to any version of Guy barring Night Dragon. A blitz on Guy's part against Minato is a blatant disregard for Minato's reaction feats.


"But Sennin, why did he get so trashed by Madara and Obito then?"


Simple, in both occasions, he was in point blank range to begin with, and was forced to be the one to advance. Against Obito, he thought he lost control, and his plans backfired. Against Madara, he had to stop him from reaching Obito, forcing Minato into a frontal assault, which does not suit him. Heck! The kunai was right in front of Madara's line of sight! Madara knew where he'd pop up!


"That's nice, he can survive Guy's speed, but how does he win."


One of 2 ways. He FTG's back and forth to attack Guy in a situation where he's off-balance and can't properly fight, or, when Minato FTGs out of sight, he makes a clone, and has Guy chase it, enabling Minato to attack from behind.


Either scenario ends with a slight contact, Minato marking Guy.


"Hirudora destroys him though" Not a chance. Ranged attacks never work against Minato.

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Excluding rikkudos, Minato is the King of small-scale fighting..

 

[Yocolaw]

gai wins with ease minatos kunai arnt fast as gai hi gates charge up will stop the kunais and gai will asakujaku minato

 

[Yocolaw]

gai wins with ease minatos kunai arnt fast as gai hi gates charge up will stop the kunais and gai will asakujaku minato

 

[Unorthodox]

Really people overrating Gai this much now im never supporting Minato and i know he wins here

MS Sasuke Itachi & Minato > 7G Gai

 

[blazekev90]

I don't need to say much, Gai fanbase already shitted all over the Minato arguments.

OT: Gai wins mid-high diff

 

[Bogard]

Lol this thread is laughable. It's like people became stupid enough to confuse Gai to a Jubi jin or something. He can't react to a Hiraishin combo. It's like people don't understand the difference between striking speed, movement speed and reaction speed. It's Gai's taijutsu movements that are faster than any other to the point he can create punches fast enough to generate flames and even faster punches in 7th Gate creating the pressure of Hirudora(Gai said Hirudora was his fastest taijutsu punch well at least when you don't count the final gate).

It's not like his reaction speed/reflexes changed however. He doesn't have light speed nerve transmission system. He doesn't have sharingan precognition, he doesn't have precognition sensing. Proof of that is that when it came down to him using his fastest punch in 7th gate(Hirudora), he got shafted by Madara before he even noticed anything

7th Gated Gai > Minato in striking speed only due to his incredibly fast taijutsu moves, adding up to that its unorthodox style in this mode making his attacks harder to predict(Kimimaro vs Lee is an example of that), which was the exact thing that surprised and made Madara Jin pull back for a second

However, Minato > 7th Gai and above(or even 8gated Gai) in Shunshin speed
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Inb4 damage control for people saying he wasn't going at full speed. During the entire 8gated Gai battle, Minato, Lee and co never showed incapacity to follow Gai. People thinking that are just fooling themselves or blinded by their own wanking and fanboyism

- Here we see Lee trying to say "i'm watching you Gai-sensei":

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And this was during a evening elephant punch, which shows he was actually following the action movement and it was even the exact thing Gai wanted him to do

- Minato's "we have to support Gai" shows he very well knew he had the capacity to support his offensive moves(so let alone actually seeing him moving):

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- Minato's "don't worry about anything and press forward no matter what" to Gai shows he could actually localise Gai's position enough to give him an information:

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- Lee's kunai throwing infront of Gai shows he was actually following Gai's movements

- Minato's interception between Gudodamas and Gai in the final step of his evening elephant shows he couldn't only follow but move accordingly:

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So stop with the BS that they couldn't follow. A hiraishin combo will be all what will be needed. If Minato even wants to play safe, he can surround Gai with kunais attacking from his blindspot whether directly or with a clone. Gai doesn't have Jubi Jin godlike precognition sensing. He will get shafted pretty quickly

 

[ARGUS]

Ugh. I can't believe the Minato underrating and Guy wank has gotten to this point!

Excluding rikkudos, Minato is the King of small-scale fighting..

Sorry but hes by far the most wanked character on the base,

7th Gate? Proof? Yeah, exactly. Gai being able to tag for two clashes with Madara who didn't even attack doesn't automatically mean Gai can actually fight with him. If 7th Gate Gai = Madara, how did Madara tag with him on 8th? Implying 8th Gate = 7th Gate in speed? Yea no.

I can already see that your manga interpretation is flawed,

Gai has better reflexes? Since when?

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and he also avoided himself from getting touched by TSB,
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, and lasted a good second against him, despite being in SM
hell even KCM Minato whose reflexes are tripled,

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, and was even unable to depict the TSB attached to his arm,
and this against someone who is slower and less reflexive than madara, who guy competed against,

any one with a brain can tell that guy has better reflexes
just use logic, its not that hard

Because no. Minato had reflexes fast enough to school MS Obito.

Implying that MS Obito has better reflexes than Juubi JIn madara Lol enough with the denial and the BS

and Lol minato barely edged out kamui, it was a matter of seconds, his reflexes were only slightly superior,
and he only schooled obito through using FTG (when obito was marked), so try again, since it doesnt prove ur point at all,
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i have no reason to believe that he could even react to anyone faster, who 7th gate guy most likely is,

Minato had speed fast enough to scatter 4 kunai across Juubi while warping Bijuu Dama. This guy was portrayed fastest and one with one of the best reflexes in the manga. And you say not only does it have no meaning, Gai has better? lol, wut? Stop smoking that kush son[/B].

Nah, this whole post is making you look dumb,

Gai being fast doesn't mean he has good reflexes.

His reflexes are better than minatos thats for sure and it has beenn shown above, and shown in the manga,, he lands hirudora on him and kills him off

Was Lee fast? Yeah. Did he have good reflexes? Yeah, no. Instead he was trashed by Kimimaro and stated himself his vision gets blurry while running at top speed. Who's to say same doesn't happen to Gai? No one.

denial at its finest,
First learn what reflexes are, then spout this crap,
Minato is faster than Guy in terms of speed, however if he doesnt have the reflexes to even react to Guys speed then his FTG is moot since he wont be able to use it in time, as shwn against madara and juubito

any tard can tell guys reflexes are superior after seeing 7G Guy vs Madara,
and Minato vs madara,

logiic mate, just use it

 

[Haizaki]

Lol Bogard stay mad. I already destroyed your ridiculous logic and yet you come hear to repeat it.

This guy really believes Gai was moving at full speed when Gaara's sand was keeping up. Lemme guess, this is Sasuke's full speed

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? Gai was traveling and Gaara's sand was keeping up. Only a mad man would believe that was his full speed Lol.

You say "is Gai a Juubi Jin" because he showed an unbelievable feat in the 7G against a Juubi Jin which looks too good to be true. Meanwhile your man failed against the same person with ease. The only part I can agree Minato surpasses 7G Gai in is when it comes to teleporting from one place to another which I can't really categorize but Gai shits in striking and reaction speed. Clearly didn't read my reply so I'll repeat why Gai is better in that aspect:

"7G Gai has better reflexes than Minato. Minato strikes but before he could land his strike, Madara reacts and strikes back with him not being able to react. Madara's striking and reactions>>Minato's

Let's see, Gai strikes making contact. Madara reacts but is unable to strike/counter back unlike Minato's case because Gai already reacted fast enough to move and deliver another strike.. Gai's striking and reaction speed>>Minato's
People really don't know why Gaara referred to his movements as inhuman after showing that against a Jin." Don't say Madara didn't want to strike back when he used his staff to strike Gai's Hirudora when Gai paused to use the hand seal for it.

Let me also bring this in :

This happened against a slower opponent with him teleporting and reacting after he was struck despite being in a stronger mode ?

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Says his reaction speed is greater than Gai's ?? Lmaoo.

Some of you say we wank him but yet we use actual facts that make you shit on yourselves. The truth is, it looks like wank because he pulls of stuff you can never imagine him doing just because he doesn't play a big role in the Manga like some other fan favorites.

Till you can counter this logic, Gai>>>>Minato when it comes to striking and reactions. Bogard you talk about wank but said Kakashi is as fast as 6G Gai? Lol.

Oh and btw my boy SOL, I hope you know Base Gai also reacted to an Older Rinnegan version of Obito in a CQC after attacking/swinging his Soshuga without being touched

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and even from a blind spot

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and that same Obito nearly caught KCM Naruto (who's obviously faster than Base Gai) but was almost in the same exact scenario since he already attacked and couldn't react

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That should tell you he has pretty good reflexes and speed.

 

[lanakui8]

with kagebunshin, ability to spam kunais in ever direction with a single throw and the ability to use hirashin twice before 8th gated gai could even move a few feet, I don't see how Minato loses to 7th gated Gai. Minato just plays on the defensive until Gai's weak enough to be taken down.

 

[Bogard]

Base Bee shit on Sharingan Sasuke [

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Sharingan Sasuke however can dodge V1 Bee [

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Why is that? Base Bee > V1 Bee in speed now? Nope, don't be ridiculous and try to understand before wanking

The reason Base Bee could accomplish something V1 Bee couldn't is because in his swords style, his movements are harder to predict [

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Even an experienced sword user like Suigetsu said "you can't read his swords path at all".

In V1 however, like Sasuke said, while he is faster, his movements became too linear making it easy for his sharingan to follow [

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It's the same thing with Gai's taijutsu expertise. He possess an unorthodox taijutsu style making it harder for the opponent to predict his movements [

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The difficulty in Gai's taijutsu is to predict his movements. And in gated mode, he gains 10times more power than usual

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In 7th gate, he can produce a combat move(Afternoon tiger) which consist of using punch faster than any other

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Notice that in all the descriptions of Gated Gai taijutsu movements it was all the time talking about a boost in power, a faster taijutsu(or combat move) along with an unorthodox style

His reflexes, perception, precognition sensing was never given. The reason Minato got shat on by Madara Jin was because of his highly perceptive precognition sensing allowing him to notify attacks in advance. Alongside that, Madara Jin obviously gets a boost in attack speed because of the Jubi's power increasing his physical capacity, but the high precognition sensing here is what you guys completely overlook and considering Minato used a straight forward attack, it's easier to predict with this sort of highly precognition sensing than an overboosted fast and unorthodox taijutsu(combat move) that Gai can produce in 7th Gate

I know however that my explanation will enter your left ear and go out by the right ear, so because of this i only made this post for people who can understand logic when it comes to Gai

 

[Forbidden Technique]

7th Gate? Proof? Yeah, exactly. Gai being able to tag for two clashes with Madara who didn't even attack doesn't automatically mean Gai can actually fight with him. If 7th Gate Gai = Madara, how did Madara tag with him on 8th? Implying 8th Gate = 7th Gate in speed? Yea no.

Gai has better reflexes? Since when? Because no. Minato had reflexes fast enough to school MS Obito. Minato had speed fast enough to scatter 4 kunai across Juubi while warping Bijuu Dama. This guy was portrayed fastest and one with one of the best reflexes in the manga. And you say not only does it have no meaning, Gai has better? lol, wut? Stop smoking that kush son.

Gai being fast doesn't mean he has good reflexes. Was Lee fast? Yeah. Did he have good reflexes? Yeah, no. Instead he was trashed by Kimimaro and stated himself his vision gets blurry while running at top speed. Who's to say same doesn't happen to Gai? No one.

-Shows a scan where Sage Mode Minato gets trashed by Madara in CQC after an instant hairishin blitz

-Shows a scan where exhausted 7G Gai pushes back Madara like 10 meters and draws contact twice from a not so instant speed blitz

-Uchiha Nagashi reaches beyond belief and makes it seem like I was implying 7G Gai=Jubi Jin Madara; then provides shit points as to why base Minato somehow has better reaction feats then Gai, despite him utterly failing in Sage Mode in nearly the same scenario where a physically drained Gai provided a much better feat.

Lmao, as for the rest; go debate your nanny. I'm not going to continue indulging in your stupidity. And you can keep that thumb in your ass and continue to be ass hurt about the time I called your and Madara Rules debate trash, because it's clear you still are. I was looking for a good debate in this thread, but instead got unfortunate comedy by Minato fanboys. Do us both a favor and don't even reply back.