Opening its mouth to chew on an ant size is completely unnecessary and not happening. Its size and weight, moving around to level the ground, smack, and crush his opponents would be all thats needed. Still dont see how 1 ET is going to kill something like Manda two. Especially its just a compressed attack air canon. Its tough hide should be able to handle it much better then Susanoo, since Susanoo is pure solid substance
Gai easily evades with his speed. Pretty sure he's not silly as he even has the speed to evade the technique. Didn't get caught up despite being close to Kisame while underwater.
Again your not factoring the size of manda's head. Its bigger then Gyuuki, which was the biggest thing he warped. Manda swinging motion will come out faster then Kakashi sniping any part of its body.
Head bigger than Gyuki? Ok but definitely not much bigger so Kakashi snipes part of his head Lol.
Bones range forced Gaara to leave the area above. Last time we saw him escape a tech that can create a "forest" was FTW. Point being, the moves spouts out is unpredictable and the duo has no idea of its range. Also whos to say one doesn't spawn right being them to trapped them in. That was Kabuto's plan against the Uchiha brothers.
Lightening cable is the same as the Raiton that failed to pierce V2 cloak. All Kakashi did is create a transmission via connect with nature manipulation. Which is why viz called it lightning transmission. DB4 clarifies it too.
Lightning Cable is a combination of 2 Raikiris most likely but one thing which isn't arguable is that it's superior to Chidori. As simple as that, nothing to argue.
Reason why Raikri succeed the second time was due to Kakashi building up more mommetum. Kishi stated that Raiton is best use for long range:
I don't know what this is supposed to show but Lightning Cable is superior regardless. That's all there is to it tbh.
Either way Raikiri and Chidori cutting power > Raiton infused weapon. Base on the analysis of when both attacks encounter Raikage's raiton armor. But I also brought up a point that Kabuto's use is boost with Senpou so that attack power encountering the durability of the bones should replicate my point that a chakra infused attack can be block from the durability of the bone.
Neither do we know how much durability the bones get but I'm pretty sure it's not going to boost them to such a high level that they can't be cut by lightning cable. I mean Kabuto could break them
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Even if cutting down a row of bones, its power is going to slow Kakashi down to take out the next row and right after, making this counter useless. Just like if you want to tackle a football player one after another.
Why dont you think Kabuto can't follow 7G speed in the first place? (The rest is base on Kabuto being able to react to Guys speed): Lets not forget that Sakon can protect and move at any location of the body to parry, sneak hit, and KK[
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Actually I meant in the process of being attacked.
That's Kabuto's ability to react and summon them
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- He's not reacting once it's a Taijutsu fight..Gai would absolutely knock him around before he can attempt any sneak attack.
- They were attacking Kiba, not defending against Kiba. Gai is a different case as he's too fast and can strike before he can defend/block and can quickly change his stance and movements to other positions making it hard for Kabuto to actually keep up and follow his movements. Sharingan gives precognition but Gai's movements surpasses that. No reason to believe Kabuto would be able to sneak attack which requires him to follow when Gai isn't going to be in one position, when Kabuto is going to be in Pain while Gai rapidly attacks with his speed. Gai isn't as slow and has shown Taijutsu that surpasses that.
Doesn't need to suffer since Kabuto's body modifications can change the prioritizes of the body. Simply alter Sakons body, that it took over from Guy, into liquid, same way Kabuto was able to take in his own vibration without being effected.
This is a scenario in which an outside attack is ineffective against the inside..However, Gates affect from the inside so those parts would still be affected as the Pain comes from within.
If this was the case, Kabuto should be able to live after opening the 8Gates. So no, this won't help him when his inside is being damaged by going through the Pain of the gates.
Those arent good example. Those snakes can perfectly wrap around Naruto. So the size comparisons isn't a huge gap. Plus if you think Manda is just as smart as those snakes and at their level/class then thats another thing to address. Anyway Kabuto can command him what to do and how to fight. Gai hurting GM toe=/= making a significant impact of hurting Manda.
Gai easily evades with his speed. Pretty sure he's not silly as he even has the speed to evade the technique. Didn't get caught up despite being close to Kisame while underwater.
He isnt evading it as the moment it makes contact to Manda, its not going to push Manda so, since it cant travel anywhere, it explodes. Much like how ET encounter Jin Madara.
It definitely is much bigger: We can scale them by the same location they were in. By measuring the stakes on the turtle island back, in comparison between the two. The stakes are completely symmetrical so its safe to use them base on measurement.
Gyuuki's body/size can cover up 3-4 stakes:
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Looking at the length of Manda's arm (blue) and head (purple) compare to the length of the stakes in comparison. Theses a clear difference in size here:
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If Kakashi wants to snipe its head off your going to need evidence that he will make it in time before he gets crush. Just remember, over a rasengan, he almost didnt make it in time to warp it on contact[
Lightning Cable is a combination of 2 Raikiris most likely but one thing which isn't arguable is that it's superior to Chidori. As simple as that, nothing to argue.
Base on what? 2 Raikiris also = Kakuzu's too. Does that mean Kakauzu's raiton penetration > Sasuke's Chidori. I have yet to see this significant superiority yet.
Neither do we know how much durability the bones get but I'm pretty sure it's not going to boost them to such a high level that they can't be cut by lightning cable. I mean Kabuto could break them
We dont need to know how much. But what we do know is that Kabuto's bone use>Kimmi. You cant deny this part.
Kimi's bone = raiton/chakra channel attacks. Because of that we know that Kabuto > raiton/chakra channel attacks. Plus it already had an impressive feat that it took Itachi's ethereal item to cut it down.
Actually I meant in the process of being attacked.
That's Kabuto's ability to react and summon them
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- He's not reacting once it's a Taijutsu fight..Gai would absolutely knock him around before he can attempt any sneak attack.
- They were attacking Kiba, not defending against Kiba. Gai is a different case as he's too fast and can strike before he can defend/block and can quickly change his stance and movements to other positions making it hard for Kabuto to actually keep up and follow his movements. Sharingan gives precognition but Gai's movements surpasses that. No reason to believe Kabuto would be able to sneak attack which requires him to follow when Gai isn't going to be in one position, when Kabuto is going to be in Pain while Gai rapidly attacks with his speed. Gai isn't as slow and has shown Taijutsu that surpasses that.
-@Bold: Again base on what that Kabuto isn't reacting here. He can react to the attack speed of Susanoo arrow. His reaction is comparable to SM Naruto which react to 3rd Raikage (susanoo arrow is a bit faster too) who progressively react and tagged a Juubi Jin. I fail to see the gap here when Kabuto is also being supported by multiple limbs.
- No the whole fight was attack and defend. Which you can see [
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This is a scenario in which an outside attack is ineffective against the inside..However, Gates affect from the inside so those parts would still be affected as the Pain comes from within.
If this was the case, Kabuto should be able to live after opening the 8Gates. So no, this won't help him when his inside is being damaged by going through the Pain of the gates.
Lol no stop, pain doesn't come when your body is no longer supported to feel pain. You can't put pain in water molecules. Thats ridiculous. Pain is pain. Did Kabuto's stomach snake cried in pain when it was pierce by something[
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Kakashi could hardly take on 90% blind MS Sasuke and Guy had a hard time with a clone of Kisame (when he had his squad with him) I'm giving this to King Kabuto.
Kakashi could hardly take on 90% blind MS ****** and Guy had a hard time with a clone of Kisame (when he had his squad with him) I'm giving this to King Kabuto.
EjBlack, have it your way, I'm not arguing this anymore. Pointless since you don't even know Lightning Transmission>> Raikiri
Since you also believe Kabuto reacted to a Susanoo arrow despite his tail getting his by it, he can somehow react after being hit continuously by Gai in a CQC from different angles. When you have good enough reasons, come back.
Since when does liquefying your inside save you from the Gates? The Gates come from inside and not the outside so liquefying the inside to avoid outside attacks isn't the same as an attack affecting from the inside. Basically implying that Kabuto just needs to liquefy his body even if he's capable of opening the 8th? Means he'll survive? Outta here
I countered your Manda's head argument and now you're telling me of how Kakashi can't Kamui part of it before he's killed. Please stop.
Asakujaku can't burn the webs? Not even going to argue that. The webs binding becomes stronger due to the chakra inside them. However, that doesn't mean the web can't be burn as the binding comes from inside the web. When the outside(which is the web itself) is hit with fire, the inside isn't going to save it.
Not going to continue with this argument as it's going nowhere.
Since you also believe Kabuto reacted to a Susanoo arrow despite his tail getting his by it, he can somehow react after being hit continuously by Gai in a CQC from different angles. When you have good enough reasons, come back.
Um yea of course since these scenarios are two different things as Guy doesn't = two attacks of Susanoo to distract him. Itachi tried doing it himself with crows and failed. And your basing your point as good reasoning, that Guy alone with just speed is going to do much better? Not only have you ignored my reasoning, Kabuto not winning a taijutsu battle here some how means he isn't immune to physical blows via hydricfication?
Since when does liquefying your inside save you from the Gates? The Gates come from inside and not the outside so liquefying the inside to avoid outside attacks isn't the same as an attack affecting from the inside. Basically implying that Kabuto just needs to liquefy his body even if he's capable of opening the 8th? Means he'll survive? Outta here
Since when does inside and outside damage mean anything different that your going to get hurt from? Not only can't you elaborate on your point, but this is completely reaching here as a rebuttal. @Bold not only that your reaching you are red herring a point thats not even in the condition of the match up.
No you failed to counter by ignoring the speed, size, and distance it needs to warp things in with Kamui with no problem. You decided to make statements without backing them up when facing Manda 2, a much different scenario.
Not only that but you completely miss the point that Kakashi relying on his strongest attack will only have Kabuto just backstab him.
Asakujaku can't burn the webs? Not even going to argue that. The webs binding becomes stronger due to the chakra inside them. However, that doesn't mean the web can't be burn as the binding comes from inside the web. When the outside(which is the web itself) is hit with fire, the inside isn't going to save it.
Thats because you can't argue that. You have nothing to support your claim as you think any heat can take care of the webs. Then completely ignore the feats and action Sasuke took TWICE to take care of it. Sasuke as Raiton + Katon in his arsenal (HE USED THEM AGAINST KABUTO) yet your telling me that these 2 heat conduct would of help him as much as Enton?
Then stop with the comparison. Telling me about the irrelevant distance making one seem stronger doesn't matter.
LT>>Raikiri.
Um yea of course since these scenarios are two different things as Guy doesn't = two attacks of Susanoo to distract him. Itachi tried doing it himself with crows and failed. And your basing your point as good reasoning, that Guy alone with just speed is going to do much better? Not only have you ignored my reasoning, Kabuto not winning a taijutsu battle here some how means he isn't immune to physical blows via hydricfication?
Not gonna bother with this anyways. Not in the mood to keep dragging the obvious as you even brought in irrelevant things in.
Since when does inside and outside damage mean anything different that your going to get hurt from? Not only can't you elaborate on your point, but this is completely reaching here as a rebuttal. @Bold not only that your reaching you are red herring a point thats not even in the condition of the match up.
Did you even reason before you spat this out? The Gates are the Gates with the Final Gates causing far more harm to the body. Liquefying the body should logically help one survive the last gate according to your logic if it's gonna save one from the drawbacks of the others since the only difference is the drawbacks of the final gate being far too much for the body to handle. If that's the case, the other gates affect the body just like the 8th does but we have here that the other gates don't affect the body as much as the 8th does. Therefore, if the other gates have no effect at all, the last gate shouldn't affect one. Let that sink in before you argue as it doesn't make a single sense.
No you failed to counter by ignoring the speed, size, and distance it needs to warp things in with Kamui with no problem. You decided to make statements without backing them up when facing Manda 2, a much different scenario.
Not only that but you completely miss the point that Kakashi relying on his strongest attack will only have Kabuto just backstab him.
Yeah because Kakashi can't move while Kamui is in use right?
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part of Manda's head gets Kamui'd. Not arguing this with you especially when Kakashi didn't waste time to Kamui Hachibi..Nothing at all is gonna stop him from warping part of Manda's head.
Thats because you can't argue that. You have nothing to support your claim as you think any heat can take care of the webs. Then completely ignore the feats and action Sasuke took TWICE to take care of it. Sasuke as Raiton + Katon in his arsenal (HE USED THEM AGAINST KABUTO) yet your telling me that these 2 heat conduct would of help him as much as Enton?
I think people put too much emphasis on a single ability of a character as if the enemy is just standing there and letting themselves die. Kabuto has many great defenses and counters, so he could easily win.
Im not comparing anything. Im telling you that LT is another form of Raikiri. Raikiri V1 failed the 1st time against Jin cloaks, and I explained why. And brought up why Raikiri V2 was more successful. Telling me that what I am saying are irreverent is just you ignoring my points and manga.
Did you even reason before you spat this out? The Gates are the Gates with the Final Gates causing far more harm to the body. Liquefying the body should logically help one survive the last gate according to your logic if it's gonna save one from the drawbacks of the others since the only difference is the drawbacks of the final gate being far too much for the body to handle. If that's the case, the other gates affect the body just like the 8th does but we have here that the other gates don't affect the body as much as the 8th does. Therefore, if the other gates have no effect at all, the last gate shouldn't affect one. Let that sink in before you argue as it doesn't make a single sense.
Yes I have reason before I made my point as you are still arguing over a restricted move to make a point. <-- This is all I need to say concerning that point here. Let that sink in before you continue to spout and make terrible rebuttals that somehow, even changing your body molecules internally to fight off pain =/= dealing with internal pain.
Yeah because Kakashi can't move while Kamui is in use right?
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part of Manda's head gets Kamui'd. Not arguing this with you especially when Kakashi didn't waste time to Kamui Hachibi..Nothing at all is gonna stop him from warping part of Manda's head.
Your should have been more clear in your words. I would have address your point properly if you meant your premise that "Kamui can gore out Manda's flesh if he can't take in the whole thing."
Its you who doesn't get it. If it really can take ANY HEAT CONDUCT, ANY, to counter the webs then Sasuke did NOT have to waste time using Enton as he and Itachi are very skill in Katon, plus Sasuke's Raiton. Tell me why would they attempt to counter it TWICE with this jutsu when they had other lesser, less chakra base, techs that can deal with it. You are desperately trying to discredit a feat here and you are clearly in the wrong.
@Bold Did you even bother looking at the middle scan? Its in the same position, so how do you interpret it as it being "push"? If you want to argue that Guy's flame punches should at least be able to push them away, then fine, thats a fair counter.
Im not comparing anything. Im telling you that LT is another form of Raikiri. Raikiri V1 failed the 1st time against Jin cloaks, and I explained why. And brought up why Raikiri V2 was more successful. Telling me that what I am saying are irreverent is just you ignoring my points and manga.
LT cutting power>>Raikiri. Shut the heck up with that nonsense comparison. One doesn't cut should at least tell you the other is either different or superior. If you think the same, then stop going over this point when you're the one ignoring the manga.
Nothing surprising here. You stating "me making irrelevant points" just means you down right were closed minded in all of my points to begin with.
Dude seriously still trying to argue that Kabuto can react in a Taijutsu fight against Gai and even touch him when Gai would be moving and hitting him with his raw strength. You're a clown..Period. A single Punch from Base Gai is damaging let alone the 7th gate
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. Kabuto isn't going to touch him when he's going to be pounding him from different positions with Kabuto being unable to react. Not to mention, Gai could move fast enough to position for Hirudora before Madara landed on the ground.
Yes I have reason before I made my point as you are still arguing over a restricted move to make a point. <-- This is all I need to say concerning that point here. Let that sink in before you continue to spout and make terrible rebuttals that somehow, even changing your body molecules internally to fight off pain =/= dealing with internal pain.
No you're a the one spouting all sorts of nonsense here.
If you can't reason, don't waste my time. So what if it's restricted? It was to make you get the point that liquefying you inside won't help you survive the pain of the gates. If it can't let you survive the 8th, how is it that it can help you not suffer the drawbacks of the other gates when they contribute to the death gate
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Lee says I can imagine how the Tomon of the 8th is let alone the Shimon. Tomon means 5 which implies that they are all opened which contributes the the final gate. So logically, Kabuto should be able to survive the 8th gate since he can liquefy his insides according to your logic lmaoo.
Your should have been more clear in your words. I would have address your point properly if you meant your premise that "Kamui can gore out Manda's flesh if he can't take in the whole thing."
Its you who doesn't get it. If it really can take ANY HEAT CONDUCT, ANY, to counter the webs then Sasuke did NOT have to waste time using Enton as he and Itachi are very skill in Katon, plus Sasuke's Raiton. Tell me why would they attempt to counter it TWICE with this jutsu when they had other lesser, less chakra base, techs that can deal with it. You are desperately trying to discredit a feat here and you are clearly in the wrong.
I didn't discredit anything. Me saying I feel Asakujaku should be able to burn it doesn't mean I'm discrediting it but Ok I'll just say it can't.
@Bold Did you even bother looking at the middle scan? Its in the same position, so how do you interpret it as it being "push"? If you want to argue that Guy's flame punches should at least be able to push them away, then fine, thats a fair counter.
LT cutting power>>Raikiri. Shut the heck up with that nonsense comparison. One doesn't cut should at least tell you the other is either different or superior. If you think the same, then stop going over this point when you're the one ignoring the manga.
Regardless, you have yet gave efficient proof that Kakashi's Raiton power outclasses Sasuke. We have witness Kakashi's double Raikiri was able to match Kakauzu's Raiton (And I seen you argue Sasuke effective with Raiton is a factor in beating Kakuzu). If you think Kakuzu<or> Sasuke in raiton power too then you have no point here of being effective against a forest of durable bones.
Dude seriously still trying to argue that Kabuto can react in a Taijutsu fight against Gai and even touch him when Gai would be moving and hitting him with his raw strength. You're a clown..Period. A single Punch from Base Gai is damaging let alone the 7th gate
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. Kabuto isn't going to touch him when he's going to be pounding him from different positions with Kabuto being unable to react. Not to mention, Gai could move fast enough to position for Hirudora before Madara landed on the ground.
The only clown is the person who thinks that converting you insides to liquid =/= effective on bone crushing, body blows attacks. When we have seen countless of times in the manga that the technique makes it impossible to receive damage from physical attacks. From a single hair, to the skin and muscles, everything can be liquefied and solidified at will. And yet your telling me Im a clown for not believing you can hurt water Lol.
Not only that but completely ignore the feats I presented of Kabuto's reaction feats, which you attempting to say they are irrelevant. This guy's reaction feat is comparable to SM Naruto, who outright stated his reaction >> KCM and outright progress his reaction to face a Juubi Jin.
Completely ignore the extra limbs he gains from Sakon (to cover him from any direction) + Snake stomach ( sees blind spots and strike at any position). This alone gives him eyes anywhere he needs plus SM's senses view on top of that.
No you're a the one spouting all sorts of nonsense here.
If you can't reason, don't waste my time. So what if it's restricted? It was to make you get the point that liquefying you inside won't help you survive the pain of the gates. If it can't let you survive the 8th, how is it that it can help you not suffer the drawbacks of the other gates when they contribute to the death gate
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Lee says I can imagine how the Tomon of the 8th is let alone the Shimon. Tomon means 5 which implies that they are all opened which contributes the the final gate. So logically, Kabuto should be able to survive the 8th gate since he can liquefy his insides according to your logic lmaoo.
The only person who isn't reasoning is you. You want me to believe that changing your muscle's tissue, change body tissue, to which is why you feel pain is due to damage tissue in you body, to convert them into water =/= Not being able to feel pain. But the tissue that are converted into water = water molecules can feel pain. But what I am saying is illoglical and you are being completly serious about this counter and saying that its very logical, with confidence.
