[VS] 7G Gai and 1MS Kakashi vs SM Kabuto

[Imperious]

Kabuto begs, pleads, lies and cheats to survive and even then they beat the living crap out of him for the hell of it.

Not even sure how. The best solution I see for the idiocy here is to ban their asses. Simple as that.

Or just ignore them. Nobody actually cares about what they're doing.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

On second thoughts, base on everyone reasoning of team rival winning, I dont see it happening.

- Kamui will be too difficult to land in this match up. For one he can sense chakra, make multiple chakra signature of himself to fool him, and has techs/summonings to block the LoS of MS abilities. On top of that Oral Rebirth, which is extremely hard for even the Sharingan to detect.

- Most peoples reasons that Kabuto can't react to gates is base on Guy being able to face Juubi Jin Madara in CQC? That doesn't makes sense. Madara read him like a book, so its only reasonable if he actually had difficulty to react to Guy for the conclusion for Kabuto not being able to. Anyway, Kabuto would already pulled out Den'ien'ei in this tag team match. Databook stated something I usually argue with Kabuto about this and now is supported:

It says that he uses Attack of the Twin Demons to manifest their upper torsos from his own torso, which allows him move independantly while unleashing their skills, so he can fight and move strategically at the same time.

Not only does he gained the ability to freely use their jutsu, talents, and kekkei genkai of each cell he has inside of him, but can multitask with them. This jutsu it built upon fighting tag team battles like this.

Kabuto isn't getting overwhelmed here. For one he can have his twin create a forest of bones, while summoning snakes to deal with long range and CQC prowess simultaneously, as of one example.

Then the team now has to deal with a forest of bones, snakes crawling around the area, Kabuto sniping with genjutsu, and spawning around the bones anywhere.

There literally so many combos here and base of everyone reason on why the team annihilates, isn't working here.

 

[Haizaki]

Most peoples reasons that Kabuto can't react to gates is base on Guy being able to face Juubi Jin Madara in CQC? That doesn't makes sense. Madara read him like a book, so its only reasonable if he actually had difficulty to react to Guy for the conclusion for Kabuto not being able to

That's why I don't waste my time on this guy. You have the guts to say they don't make sense...Basically trying to argue Kabuto can react or rather keep up in a CQC. Don't expect a reply from me anyways..This is going nowhere as long as it's EJBlack.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's why I don't waste my time on this guy. You have the guts to say they don't make sense...Basically trying to argue Kabuto can react or rather keep up in a CQC. Don't expect a reply from me anyways..This is going nowhere as long as it's EJBlack.

Then dont waste my time quoting and replying to my post if you aren't going to bring reasons to rebuttal the point. If me addressing this upsets you, then you shouldn't even reason that Kabuto even stands a chance against Guy in a 1v1 fight. For that very reason I shouldn't even expect a reply. All you doing is complaining and not making sense yourself.

 

[Haizaki]

Then dont waste my time quoting and replying to my post if you aren't going to bring reasons to rebuttal the point. If me addressing this upsets you, then you shouldn't even reason that Kabuto even stands a chance against Guy in a 1v1 fight. For that very reason I shouldn't even expect a reply. All you doing is complaining and not making sense yourself.

Because it's pointless explaining things to one who lacks common sense. The main reason Kabuto beats Gai in a 1v1 is due to Muki Tensei and White Rage...Smh dude really thinks I'd back down from debating Kabuto vs The Jounins.

Several times I've replied to you but never do you understand since Kabuto has his hand stuck in your throat. You even think Kabuto can beat SM Hashirama as well which in all shows why you shouldn't be replied to. The second I saw you trying to make a case for Kabuto in a Taijutsu fight against 7G Gai, I didn't even bother countering the whole thing. I'd debate with anyone outside EjBlack on this matchup as when Kabuto is involved, you can't be convinced.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Because it's pointless explaining things to one who lacks common sense. The main reason Kabuto beats Gai in a 1v1 is due to Muki Tensei and White Rage...Smh dude really thinks I'd back down from debating Kabuto vs The Jounins.

You tellin me the reasons he wins and yet states he shouldn't able to react to Guy in the first place, seems legit. How do you beat someone you can't react to.

Several times I've replied to you but never do you understand since Kabuto has his hand stuck in your throat. You even think Kabuto can beat SM Hashirama as well which in all shows why you shouldn't be replied to. The second I saw you trying to make a case for Kabuto in a Taijutsu fight against 7G Gai, I didn't even bother countering the whole thing. I'd debate with anyone outside EjBlack on this matchup as when Kabuto is involved, you can't be convinced.

I gave specific reason on why the match up against Kabuto and Hashirama should be considered while you are outright closed minded about it. Much like how you can argue Lex Luther beating Superman. Should I be taken serious if I state Lex can win under conditions?

@Bold, which is why I shouldn't be bother readdressing my points since you mainly misrepresented my points, as usual. Ironic that you state nothings changed about me.

 

[Haizaki]

You tellin me the reasons he wins and yet states he shouldn't able to react to Guy in the first place, seems legit. How do you beat someone you can't react to.

How is it possible that you're asking the bold? I'm only saying if it comes down to a CQC and because Kabuto can liquefy at the start of the match but that alone can be a problem for him as well. Kabuto has White Rage which affects Gai's senses. That alone is bad considering he also has to go through Pain in the gates. Kabuto also has Muki Tensei, one that's problematic. Then again, the location depends as these Jutsu's are not as effective outside his cave.

I gave specific reason on why the match up against Kabuto and Hashirama should be considered while you are outright closed minded about it. Much like how you can argue Lex Luther beating Superman. Should I be taken serious if I state Lex can win under conditions?

Well you're never open minded so this point doesn't matter.

@Bold, which is why I shouldn't be bother readdressing my points since you mainly misrepresented my points, as usual. Ironic that you state nothings changed about me.

Lol...Please I'd love to know what you meant in terms of reactions. I'd really love to know since I somehow misinterpreted your points.

 

[HiddenSound]

Kakashi and Guy do not possess a Susano'o 1/476th of the level of Madara's.

Kabuto wins mid diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How is it possible that you're asking the bold? I'm only saying if it comes down to a CQC and because Kabuto can liquefy at the start of the match but that alone can be a problem for him as well. Kabuto has White Rage which affects Gai's senses. That alone is bad considering he also has to go through Pain in the gates. Kabuto also has Muki Tensei, one that's problematic. Then again, the location depends as these Jutsu's are not as effective outside his cave.

Im asking for the bold because you keep persisting and complaining that I address a point that Kabuto should be able to react to Guy's gates. You think its false yet state Kabuto can still win a battle he can't react to.

Well you're never open minded so this point doesn't matter.

Your opinion of me not being open minded gives you an excuse for you to not be open minded. Interesting.

Lol...Please I'd love to know what you meant in terms of reactions. I'd really love to know since I somehow misinterpreted your points.

There is no other terms of reaction. Guy attempts to overwhelm Kabuto, Kabuto senses danger and fights the way I address he does according to what I addressed in my premise. And non of it address beating guy in a taijutsu battle.

 

[Haizaki]

Im asking for the bold because you keep persisting and complaining that I address a point that Kabuto should be able to react to Guy's gates. You think its false yet state Kabuto can still win a battle he can't react to.




Your opinion of me not being open minded gives you an excuse for you to not be open minded. Interesting.



There is no other terms of reaction. Guy attempts to overwhelm Kabuto, Kabuto senses danger and fights the way I address he does according to what I addressed in my premise. And non of it address beating guy in a taijutsu battle.

Ok to make this easier, I'd just say sorry for flaming at you but explain to me what you mean by him being able to react. In a CQC? Which involves a Taijutsu fight?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok to make this easier, I'd just say sorry for flaming at you but explain to me what you mean by him being able to react. In a CQC? Which involves a Taijutsu fight?

Guy will be the one blitzing with Gates.
My premise states Kabuto should have Den'ien'ei prepare for this duo battle.
Kabuto should be able to react to Guy's attacks, and spaces him out with summonings and Kimmi's abilities.

 

[Haizaki]

Kabuto should be able to react to Guy's attacks, and spaces him out with summonings and Kimmi's abilities.

Manda 2 gets killed by AT. I'm pretty sure he does depending on his durability and considering AT destroyed Susanoo. If not, Kakashi snipes his head off. Kimmi's bones with Kabuto aren't as large as the ones he showed previously against Gaara and Lee. The team dodges it or Kakashi just has his lightning cable run though. There's really nothing that can take the team down. Once it becomes a CQC, Kabuto loses badly.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Manda 2 gets killed by AT. I'm pretty sure he does depending on his durability and considering AT destroyed Susanoo.

Im pretty sure it will take a couple of AT, considering the mass it has and the durability Manda 1 had in feats (since Manda 2 is superior version). Kabuto back-stabs the duo for putting all of their strongest techs on Manda, to take it down.

If not, Kakashi snipes his head off.

Manda's head is much bigger then anything we seen Kakashi warped in feats. Its massive head will give Kakashi a hard time to take it all in. Which leaves him open.

Kimmi's bones with Kabuto aren't as large as the ones he showed previously against Gaara and Lee.

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Kimmi's bones started out smaller (Lee and Gaara length) then

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(adult length). Kabuto's shares the same as part 2 so he can replicated the same thing Kimmi did, when he went all out with bone forest.

The team dodges it or Kakashi just has his lightning cable run though.

They can dodge it, but then it will become Kabuto's play-field[

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Lightning cable seems like it won't work of running through, considering the durability of the bones. We have seen that samuirai's ability, Samurai Sabre Technique, being = to Sasuke's Kusanagi no Tsurugi: Chidorigatana[

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Anyway Samurai Sabre Technique wasn't able to cut through Kimmi's bones like butter here, they both equally pierce each other[

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]. On top of that Kabuto's use of it is boost with Senpou. So I fail to see if this counter will work.

There's really nothing that can take the team down. Once it becomes a CQC, Kabuto loses badly.

I could make a list of things to take them down, since Kabuto has so many combos once he activates Sakon's KKG.

As for CQC, if Kabuto is getting own, then he can simply sneak in a blow with chakra scalpel, since Sakon's attack pattern can come out unpredictable. Right to the heart, much like how Naruto didn't know Kabuto exchange blows with him, after the Rasengan[

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]. Or slip in and use Kisei Kikai no Jutsu.

 

[Lariatoo]

Meh...
Actually Im going with Kabuto here...
Med- high diff...

 

[Haizaki]

Im pretty sure it will take a couple of AT, considering the mass it has and the durability Manda 1 had in feats (since Manda 2 is superior version). Kabuto back-stabs the duo for putting all of their strongest techs on Manda, to take it down.

Doubt it would be more than 1 given its Range. If Manda opens its mouth to swallow Gai, Gai can shoot Hirudora inside its mouth damaging it from the inside.

Manda's head is much bigger then anything we seen Kakashi warped in feats. Its massive head will give Kakashi a hard time to take it all in. Which leaves him open.

Kakashi can just snipe its head

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inflicting injuries on it which would slow it down.

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Kimmi's bones started out smaller (Lee and Gaara length) then

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(adult length). Kabuto's shares the same as part 2 so he can replicated the same thing Kimmi did, when he went all out with bone forest.

Agreed.

They can dodge it, but then it will become Kabuto's play-field[

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When I meant is that they leave its Range. You know when he takes this position,

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Kakashi can snipe him? Though I don't want to use that argument as it would be easy Lol.

Lightning cable seems like it won't work of running through, considering the durability of the bones. We have seen that samuirai's ability, Samurai Sabre Technique, being = to Sasuke's Kusanagi no Tsurugi: Chidorigatana[

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]. Sasuke is a good example since his Raiton level is close to Kakashi.
Anyway Samurai Sabre Technique wasn't able to cut through Kimmi's bones like butter here, they both equally pierce each other[

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]. On top of that Kabuto's use of it is boost with Senpou. So I fail to see if this counter will work.

False. I'm pretty sure Sasuke stream Chidori through his sword which was about equal to that of the Samurai. Kakashi's Raiton>>Sasuke's and we've seen Kakashi's Ration failed to pierce through the V2 cloak

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Meanwhile, Lightning Cable was capable of cutting their hand arms that use the same V2 cloak. That shows the difference between Lighting Cable and Sasuke's Raiton.

I could make a list of things to take them down, since Kabuto has so many combos once he activates Sakon's KKG.

Sakon isn't helping here. Not one bit.

As for CQC, if Kabuto is getting own, then he can simply sneak in a blow with chakra scalpel, since Sakon's attack pattern can come out unpredictable. Right to the heart, much like how Naruto didn't know Kabuto exchange blows with him, after the Rasengan[

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]. Or slip in and use Kisei Kikai no Jutsu.

Nope. Gai continuous burst would be too much. Gai punches him, kicks him and smacks him around. Similar to this

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Kabuto isn't touching him if he can can't even follow him. Considering the fact that Naruto stood for sometime while forcing in the technique

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as you can even see the kunai stuck to his hand and look at him still forcing it. Not happening with Gai.

KK is killer if he tries as whatever Gai suffer, he suffers. Nothing suggest Kabuto can go through the Pain of the Gates let alone the 7th.

 

[Kenjamin Bing]

Kakashi and Guy do not possess a Susano'o 1/476th of the level of Madara's.

Kabuto wins mid diff.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[Lariatoo]

Holy crap....
Is Kabuto being horribly underrated or is Gai and War arc Kakashi being horribly overrated?

 

[Lariatoo]

Holy crap....
Is Kabuto being horribly underrated or is Gai and War arc Kakashi being horribly overrated?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Doubt it would be more than 1 given its Range. If Manda opens its mouth to swallow Gai, Gai can shoot Hirudora inside its mouth damaging it from the inside.

Opening its mouth to chew on an ant size is completely unnecessary and not happening. Its size and weight, moving around to level the ground, smack, and crush his opponents would be all thats needed. Still dont see how 1 ET is going to kill something like Manda two. Especially its just a compressed attack air canon. Its tough hide should be able to handle it much better then Susanoo, since Susanoo is pure solid substance

Worst case scenario, since manda is so damn big, Guy would pretty much end up hitting it point blank, having himself get hit with his own tech.

Kakashi can just snipe its head

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inflicting injuries on it which would slow it down.

Again your not factoring the size of manda's head. Its bigger then Gyuuki, which was the biggest thing he warped. Manda swinging motion will come out faster then Kakashi sniping any part of its body.

When I meant is that they leave its Range. You know when he takes this position,

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Kakashi can snipe him? Though I don't want to use that argument as it would be easy Lol.

Bones range forced Gaara to leave the area above. Last time we saw him escape a tech that can create a "forest" was FTW. Point being, the moves spouts out is unpredictable and the duo has no idea of its range. Also whos to say one doesn't spawn right being them to trapped them in. That was Kabuto's plan against the Uchiha brothers.

@Bold, I already addressed in my premise that Kabuto will be supported by summonings. Its not a easy arugment since kabuto sense chakra built and snakes block LoS.

False. I'm pretty sure Sasuke stream Chidori through his sword which was about equal to that of the Samurai. Kakashi's Raiton>>Sasuke's and we've seen Kakashi's Ration failed to pierce through the V2 cloak

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Meanwhile, Lightning Cable was capable of cutting their hand arms that use the same V2 cloak. That shows the difference between Lighting Cable and Sasuke's Raiton.

Lightening cable is the same as the Raiton that failed to pierce V2 cloak. All Kakashi did is create a transmission via connect with nature manipulation. Which is why viz called it lightning transmission. DB4 clarifies it too.

Reason why Raikri succeed the second time was due to Kakashi building up more mommetum. Kishi stated that Raiton is best use for long range:

Spoiler

Specificities of the five great Nature Alterations

Fire
Flame-like high-temperature chakra that burns everything it touches to a crisp. It has the additional effect of setting the target aflame, and stands besides Wind as an offense-specialized style.

Wind
Blade-like chakra to behead, split and sever anything and anyone. Used with special ninja tools or in jutsu, it has the best offensive ability in close to medium range.

Lightning
Easy to diffuse, it has good compatibility with medium to long range jutsu. Infused into a metallic weapon, it adds harming and killing efficiency, as well as electrocution...!!

Earth
The Nature that alters everything in solidity and composition. If one masters it, it is possible to give jutsu or objects the resistance of steel and the flexibility of clay.

Water
A good compatibility with various Shape Alterations. Creating a mist to hide oneself, or a tidal wave for confinement, it is greatly beneficial for supporting purposes.

Either way Raikiri and Chidori cutting power > Raiton infused weapon. Base on the analysis of when both attacks encounter Raikage's raiton armor. But I also brought up a point that Kabuto's use is boost with Senpou so that attack power encountering the durability of the bones should replicate my point that a chakra infused attack can be block from the durability of the bone.

Even if cutting down a row of bones, its power is going to slow Kakashi down to take out the next row and right after, making this counter useless. Just like if you want to tackle a football player one after another.

Sakon isn't helping here. Not one bit.

I said Sakon's KKG as in the statement of the ability. Basically activating Den'ien'ei. It will help take out and multitask against two opponents.

Example: Kabuto has Kidomaru spam/spray webs at the duo while performing white rage or Muki Tensei. etc etc.

That is completely helping and why I see Kabuto taking them out.

Nope. Gai continuous burst would be too much. Gai punches him, kicks him and smacks him around. Similar to this

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Kabuto isn't touching him if he can can't even follow him. Considering the fact that Naruto stood for sometime while forcing in the technique

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as you can even see the kunai stuck to his hand and look at him still forcing it. Not happening with Gai.

Why dont you think Kabuto can't follow 7G speed in the first place? (The rest is base on Kabuto being able to react to Guys speed): Lets not forget that Sakon can protect and move at any location of the body to parry, sneak hit, and KK[

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]. So attack taijutsu in all direction shouldnt be a problem.

@Bold I wasn't making my point play by play in the manga. But to show you feats of Kabuto sneaking/exchanging blows unaware. With Den'ien'ei making a second kabuto for chakra scalpel, he can sneak in a blow.

KK is killer if he tries as whatever Gai suffer, he suffers. Nothing suggest Kabuto can go through the Pain of the Gates let alone the 7th.

Doesn't need to suffer since Kabuto's body modifications can change the prioritizes of the body. Simply alter Sakons body, that it took over from Guy, into liquid, same way Kabuto was able to take in his own vibration without being effected.

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[narutokage99]

Both solo this clown.