662: Hiruzen Misconceptions

[DeadManWonderLand]

(If you knew this already then maybe take the time to think about the possibility that this thread was not for you)


Hiruzen is not the sole person left with chakra and by that alone is not a feat of superiority.

He is an edo which regenerate their chakr back.
Hashirama and madara are the exception to the case given that madara's will manifested into physical form is blocking there pressure points and preventing them from molding there chakra into ninjustu.

The feat of 5 elements is indeed impressive.
Most people have one innate nature with only jonin and kage level nina ever mastering more than 1 elemental affinity.

This reinforces his title as Professor by exceeding the limit of ones chakra tendency and mold it into other shapes on talent alone a feat only made possible to Nagato through the rinnegan.


This does not mean however that Hiruzen knew the same ranking elmental justu nor did also have the same chakra reserves as nagato so overall nagato's mastery of the elements are greater however,the feat still needs to be recognized.

:AFTER THOUGHT:
Orochimaru seems to have some chakra left as suigetsu urged him to strike now,although since oro is being hesitant at the moment i can only wonder the true danger spiral zetsu possesses.
Keep in my oro has senjustu chakra (Which is what curse marks are made of) So he doesn't need to use charkra based attacks at this point.So he is perfect key figure in fighting over there in that particular part of the battlefield

 

[Joker]

Is Orochimaru even at full power currently?

 

[Lucidus]

agreed.. when i first saw this i new people were going to blow hiruzens feat out of proportion -.-

thanks for making this thread some people really did need to know this -.-

 

[Sir Blades]

Of course you would fanboy Orochimaru.
And i dont know where people got that Hiruzen being the only one with chakra was a feat of superiority, i think you just made that one up. He's edo of course he would have the most chakra at the moment. And orochimaru is coming up with a plan but is hesitant.
I think there will obviously be a Hiruzen Orochimaru tag team against spiral zetsu.

 

[BlacLord™]

Is Orochimaru even at full power currently?

I doubt it. After all, he was revived with only a piece of his conciousness.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Is Orochimaru even at full power currently?

He doesn't have powerful energy blast like naruto so i don't mean to come off as oro defeating sprial zetu and the Bliss-Bringing Hands alone,but the option to fight with other means besides chakra is available.

And to answer your question yes.

He has all his chakra back,his ninjustu back,plus his body is no longer weakened by the reversed genjustu placed on him by itachi thanks to the zetu body brimming with hashirama's psychical energy.

Remember he did learn sage mode but,can't utilize it in battle due to his prior weakened body so he only used his senjustu for curse marks.

Now that is no longer a problem.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Of course you would fanboy Orochimaru.
And i dont know where people got that Hiruzen being the only one with chakra was a feat of superiority, i think you just made that one up. He's edo of course he would have the most chakra at the moment. And orochimaru is coming up with a plan but is hesitant.
I think there will obviously be a Hiruzen Orochimaru tag team against spiral zetsu.

Before you go off the handle take two seconds of your life and scan the threads it will be evident that people are giving hiruzen more credit or saying he is better then this person and the next given what they saw this chapter.

Were you dropped on the head as child ?

Did you not read the very first line on this thread post ? lol

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I doubt it. After all, he was revived with only a piece of his conciousness.

That is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Putting your conscious into things is something a few highly capable of shinobi seem capable of doing.

 

[Disquiet]

Of course you would fanboy Orochimaru.
And i dont know where people got that Hiruzen being the only one with chakra was a feat of superiority, i think you just made that one up. He's edo of course he would have the most chakra at the moment. And orochimaru is coming up with a plan but is hesitant.
I think there will obviously be a Hiruzen Orochimaru tag team against spiral zetsu.

@Bold, I think so as well. It'll be the perfect opportunity to show more Hiruzen feats (Oro's too of course), as well as give that ol' nostalgia moment between Orochimaru and Hiruzen.

Kishi actually seems to be more aware than many thought. I remember not too long ago people were wondering why the hell isn't anyone attacking Madara. Now we don't even know how long they have been battling spiral zetsu.

 

[Souji]

The Rinnegan is HYPED to bring forth all ninjutsu. Scans of Nagato using all five elemental transformations?

Everyone regenerates.chakra. Edos just do it faster and have almost unlimited stamina.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

The Rinnegan is HYPED to bring forth all ninjutsu. Scans of Nagato using all five elemental transformations?

Everyone regenerates.chakra. Edos just do it faster and have almost unlimited stamina.

You don't regenerate chakra in the midst of battle.
So why you wrote that is beyond me at no point did i ever infer that people do not ever gain chakra back as nobody could ever be a ninja again after the first time they use chakra.

It is noted a few times that nagato mastered all nature types.
Just because he didn't use one (Because the situation did not call for it) doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
Scans ?
I don't feel like finding them just look it up on either jiraiya or his wiki if you don't want to scan through the jiraiya battle

 

[-Spoiler-]

The Rinnegan is HYPED to bring forth all ninjutsu. Scans of Nagato using all five elemental transformations?

Everyone regenerates.chakra. Edos just do it faster and have almost unlimited stamina.

it was confirmed that nagato mastered all five nature types during his training with jiraiya i dont remember the exact scan.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I'm just happy that Hiruzen is FINALLY displaying SOMETHING. Like geez old man, live up to the hype already.

 

[Souji]

You don't regenerate chakra in the midst of battle.
So why you wrote that is beyond me at no point did i ever infer that people do not ever gain chakra back as nobody could ever be a ninja again after the first time they use chakra.

It is noted a few times that nagato mastered all nature types.
Just because he didn't use one (Because the situation did not call for it) doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
Scans ?
I don't feel like finding them just look it up on either jiraiya or his wiki if you don't want to scan through the jiraiya battle

That also goes the other way. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you WILL or WANT to. I can have a gun, but I DON'T NEED to fire it. Nagato may have mastered all elements, but not once have I seen his supposed mastery over it. Therefore, until proven otherwise, Hiruzen's feats with the elements are greater than Nagato's.

@bold, this is what Naruto readers don't understand in general. Not referring to you, but the idiots who bash on every little thing. They have to see everything face value and don't understand things called implications.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

no offence but, isn't it funny how most of the people who are trying to take down Hiruzen's feats/tone down his accomplishment have Oro in their av's/sig's :heh:

 

[Exaar]

no offence but, isn't it funny how most of the people who are trying to take down Hiruzen's feats/tone down his accomplishment have Oro in their av's/sig's :heh:

I know right XD

I seriously don't get why Oro fans are hostile to people crediting Hiruzen, i never really seen either fanbases having problems with each other since today.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

That also goes the other way. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you WILL or WANT to. I can have a gun, but I DON'T NEED to fire it. Nagato may have mastered all elements, but not once have I seen his supposed mastery over it. Therefore, until proven otherwise, Hiruzen's feats with the elements are greater than Nagato's.

@bold, this is what Naruto readers don't understand in general. Not referring to you, but the idiots who bash on every little thing. They have to see everything face value and don't understand things called implications.

You don't need to see,it was stated.
Its not as if some random base member said it,kishi created the chapter saw the finished product and ran it through.
Trying to argue what the author says until he decides to show something(even though what you might want to see is not relevant to the story at hand) is juvenile.

If its stated then it is true until'l proven other wise.
Not the other way around.

So far we know hiruzen knows all elements
Nagato was said to have mastered them all.
So it is pretty clear who has the overall proficiency.

I know right XD

I seriously don't get why Oro fans are hostile to people crediting Hiruzen, i never really seen either fanbases having problems with each other since today.

I never discredit Hiruzen,i specifically state what an impressive feat it is,or cannot you not read ?
I also mentioned he is not the sole one with charka left as the chapter makes it clear.

 

[blazekev90]

no offence but, isn't it funny how most of the people who are trying to take down Hiruzen's feats/tone down his accomplishment have Oro in their av's/sig's :heh:

Im Orochimaru #1 fanboy and i have no issue reinforcing the 3rd new hype.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

no offence but, isn't it funny how most of the people who are trying to take down Hiruzen's feats/tone down his accomplishment have Oro in their av's/sig's :heh:

Please explain how you got Discredit or toned down from


"The feat of 5 elements is indeed impressive.
Most people have one innate nature with only jonin and kage level nina ever mastering more than 1 elemental affinity.

This reinforces his title as Professor by exceeding the limit of ones chakra tendency and mold it into other shapes on talent alone a feat only made possible to Nagato through the rinnegan."


I had no idea stating that hiruzen accomplishing something only the sages eyes had been able to do was toning him down.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I know right XD

I seriously don't get why Oro fans are hostile to people crediting Hiruzen, i never really seen either fanbases having problems with each other since today.

well you know what they say bro, there's a beginning for everything :yeah:

and IF Hiruzen displays one more feat (will trigger more wank), it will be the official beginning of a new war on this base :heh: that i must see.