662: Hiruzen Misconceptions

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You don't need to see,it was stated.
Its not as if some random base member said it,kishi created the chapter saw the finished product and ran it through.
Trying to argue what the author says until he decides to show something(even though what you might want to see is not relevant to the story at hand) is juvenile.

If its stated then it is true until'l proven other wise.
Not the other way around.

So far we know hiruzen knows all elements
Nagato was said to have mastered them all.
So it is pretty clear who has the overall proficiency.

Hiruzen was the Professor, meaning that he knew ALL of Konoha's ninjutsu. Like you said, Kishi's word. This implies that Hiruzen had knowledge of most, if not all, elemental techniques, which also begets a certain level of mastery.

I'm not arguing against what Kishi said. In fact, me being a Hirizen fan has always had me realizing that feats are just as important as hype. Nagato has never shown his supposed mastery of the elements, but I believe it was so because of Jiraiya's statements.

If anything, the two have equal abilities in the elements. Hiruzen's ability to master them all exceeds Nagato's due to his non reliance on an aid such as the Rinnegan...
 

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Hiruzen was the Professor, meaning that he knew ALL of Konoha's ninjutsu. Like you said, Kishi's word. This implies that Hiruzen had knowledge of most, if not all, elemental techniques, which also begets a certain level of mastery.

I'm not arguing against what Kishi said. In fact, me being a Hirizen fan has always had me realizing that feats are just as important as hype. Nagato has never shown his supposed mastery of the elements, but I believe it was so because of Jiraiya's statements.

If anything, the two have equal abilities in the elements. Hiruzen's ability to master them all exceeds Nagato's due to his non reliance on an aid such as the Rinnegan...

Knowing an element is not the same as knowing all justu for thus said element.
That is the difference betwenn hirzen and the nature of the rinnegan which helps you master all 5 regular chakra natures.

The feat in itself to learn all natures is astounding i am just saying he did not master them all,it was never stated and to assume that somehow knowing an element means you know all justu for that element is absurd and i won't even begin to discuss why that makes no sense.

Hiruzen was also called The Professor due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat and his vast knowledge of techniques in general.

He did not learn every justu he knew of every justu.

You can't learn secret techniques or kekegenkai either so if people can't differentiate between Know and Learn then i don't know what else i can say anymore.


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True,which is why i called it an impressive feat its something that took nagato the sages eyes to do when hiruzen did it will talent.

I specifically say this in my first post
 
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Please explain how you got Discredit or toned down from


"The feat of 5 elements is indeed impressive.
Most people have one innate nature with only jonin and kage level nina ever mastering more than 1 elemental affinity.

This reinforces his title as Professor by exceeding the limit of ones chakra tendency and mold it into other shapes on talent alone a feat only made possible to Nagato through the rinnegan."


I had no idea stating that hiruzen accomplishing something only the sages eyes had been able to do was toning him down.

"This does not mean however that Hiruzen knew the same ranking elmental justu nor did also have the same chakra reserves as nagato so overall nagato's mastery of the elements are greater however"

nothing .................... making a thread about Hiruzen's feat's then pushing Nagato in the whole thing to compare his Mastery over the 5 elements with Hiruzen's, then squeezing an analyses of Oro's situation in the end, it all seems perfect.

don't mind me, keep it up :yeah:
 

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"This does not mean however that Hiruzen knew the same ranking elmental justu nor did also have the same chakra reserves as nagato so overall nagato's mastery of the elements are greater however"

nothing .................... making a thread about Hiruzen's feat's then pushing Nagato in the whole thing to compare his Mastery over the 5 elements with Hiruzen's, then squeezing an analyses of Oro's situation in the end, it all seems perfect.

don't mind me, keep it up :yeah:



Saying he did not know all the same elemental jut as nagato or mastered all 5 elements as nagato doesn't tone him down.

Sorry that i blurted out a fact.

The rinnegan helps the user master all elelemtns and jiraiya even states it himself that nagato masterd all elements.

Its a fact get over it.
 

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Oro is not at full power currently
 

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Saying he did not know all the same elemental jut as nagato or mastered all 5 elements as nagato doesn't tone him down.

Sorry that i blurted out a fact.

The rinnegan helps the user master all elelemtns and jiraiya even states it himself that nagato masterd all elements.

Its a fact get over it.

i don't need to "get over" anything, again don't mind me keep it up.
 

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i don't need to "get over" anything, again don't mind me keep it up.

I will.
Look at that you know how to bold.
Now tell me why its not a fact,oh wait you can't because it is a fact.
nice try though.
Now seriously don't be mad because you played yourself.
You realized i didn't talk dirt on hiruzen and now your too stupid to let it go.

Oro is not at full power currently

Your right,having a prime psychical energy body nullifying his weakened body and all his chakra back means nothing.

Thanks for your brilliant analyses.
 
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I will.
Look at that you know how to bold.
Now tell me why its not a fact,oh wait you can't because it is a fact.
nice try though.
Now seriously don't be mad because you played yourself.
You realized i didn't talk dirt on hiruzen and now your too stupid to let it go.

lol insults (how original), and i'm supposed to be the one who's mad ??

"stupid" .......................
says the guy who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're", why do i keep doing this/expect you to understand my post ................. sigh
 
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