6 Paths of Pain vs. Jinchuirki Obito Uses Against Naruto and Bee

[Zexion~]

Bijuu are chakra beasts. They don't have souls, that much should be obvious. Also, Naruto's cloak isn't as thick as the whole Hachibi covering B so that isn't a valid comparison.

lol? Really? Preta would get crushed by the rocks if it gets anywhere near the sphere, and its not going to get to the sphere before Bijuu Dama does as it travels faster than Preta. The same thing for the bird summon or Asura launching Preta toward it, they all get crushed by the rocks. Not even sure if serious with this counter. Not to mention he had to turn off all his paths for an inferior move CST, so there is reason to believe he needs to do the same for CT.

Your explanation was flawed beyond belief. SM Jiraiya wasn't running toward Human Path, he tried to punch him so speed has absolutely nothing to do with anything here so stop mentioning SM Jiraiya or his speed. Running speed is NOT the same as the speed of him swinging his fist. If Human Path gets close to B and attempts to take his soul (For no apparent reason as Human Path won't work) he gets crushed.

5 other paths aren't going to stop him from crushing Human Path if he gets close enough.

Not to mention I see no rebuttal to the Bijuu Hachimaki+Continuous Bijuu Dama strategy.

B takes this mid diff.

Don't really know what that is ..never read that part...

anyway's as we all know the paths are not affected by CT (Deva wasn't) ..also Deva was also powerless for a while when using CST ...that was not the case with CT, Getting crushed by rocks? what are you talking about..The jutsu captures...not kills? he can stand on any rocks he would like..just like itachi naruto and bee could U_U

Also, Pretty sure this

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is faster then any Bijuu dama being pulled in...

Who said that was the scan i was talking about? Obviously all paths share the same reaction speed..and as we all know Pain was able to react to an FRS... Along with many other quick attacks, Their were many other instances that Pain countered Jiraiya speed wise ..and again ..all Human needs really is reflex to deal with the tentacle

Obviously the tailed beast has a soul ... Their able to talk and are intelligent beings, lol come on? What makes them different from simply chakra is most likely a soul

 

[KidGamer65]

Don't really know what that is ..never read that part...

anyway's as we all know the paths are not affected by CT (Deva wasn't) ..also Deva was also powerless for a while when using CST ...that was not the case with CT, Getting crushed by rocks? what are you talking about..The jutsu captures...not kills? he can stand on any rocks he would like..just like itachi naruto and bee could U_U

Deva is the one casting the jutsu. Not Preta Path or any other path. Try again.

lol, what am I reading here? The jutsu attracts things to its center and encases them in a lot of rock. Obviously if Preta gets close enough to the sphere to try and absorb Bijuu Dama, he will be pulled into the sphere and rocks will cover and crush him just like

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, but more rock will crush him than what hit KN6 as you have him charging at the sphere to try and absorb incoming Bijuu Dama (LMAO). Unless you think the Human body is durable enough to handle being crushed between rock. Even so, he'll be caught and unable to fight.

If he stands on rock like Itachi and them did, then he doesn't reach the Bijuu Dama in time as Killer B has no reason to aim it towards him.

Also, Pretty sure this

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is faster then any Bijuu dama being pulled in...

Go ahead let him try that. He just gets sucked into the sphere and encased in rock much quicker than I imagined he'd be.

Who said that was the scan i was talking about? Obviously all paths share the same reaction speed..and as we all know Pain was able to react to an FRS... Along with many other quick attacks, Their were many other instances that Pain countered Jiraiya speed wise ..and again ..all Human needs really is reflex to deal with the tentacle

-Scans of these "other instances where he countered Jiraiya speed wise?

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coming from a good enough distance away, and had more than

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-You claim Human Path is going to try and grab B and take his soul.
-The moment he touches B, a tentacle smashes him or wraps him

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(Don't mention that this was in a Genjutsu cause it doesn't change the fact that this is possible.)

Evading FRS from a distance=/=Evading a Tentacle that was fast enough to do

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, from point blank.

Obviously the tailed beast has a soul ... Their able to talk and are intelligent beings, lol come on? What makes them different from simply chakra is most likely a soul

Being able to talk and being intelligent doesn't mean you have a soul. Beasts made of pure chakra don't have souls, that much should be obvious. They talk and are intelligent because they were given life via Yang Chakra, not cause they have a soul.

Since when was having a soul synonymous with being able to speak and think?

Samehada must have a soul because its sentient. According to your logic anyway.

Either way, Hachibi isn't even on the outside. It is B wearing his chakra in Hachibi's form so I don't even see what you are trying to prove here. Him having a soul or not doesn't change the fact that Human Path is completely useless.

 

[Zexion~]

Deva is the one casting the jutsu. Not Preta Path or any other path. Try again.

lol, what am I reading here? The jutsu attracts things to its center and encases them in a lot of rock. Obviously if Preta gets close enough to the sphere to try and absorb Bijuu Dama, he will be pulled into the sphere and rocks will cover and crush him just like

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, but more rock will crush him than what hit KN6 as you have him charging at the sphere to try and absorb incoming Bijuu Dama (LMAO). Unless you think the Human body is durable enough to handle being crushed between rock. Even so, he'll be caught and unable to fight.

If he stands on rock like Itachi and them did, then he doesn't reach the Bijuu Dama in time as Killer B has no reason to aim it towards him.


Go ahead let him try that. He just gets sucked into the sphere and encased in rock much quicker than I imagined he'd be.


-Scans of these "other instances where he countered Jiraiya speed wise?

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coming from a good enough distance away, and had more than

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-You claim Human Path is going to try and grab B and take his soul.
-The moment he touches B, a tentacle smashes him or wraps him

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(Don't mention that this was in a Genjutsu cause it doesn't change the fact that this is possible.)

Evading FRS from a distance=/=Evading a Tentacle that was fast enough to do

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, from point blank.



Being able to talk and being intelligent doesn't mean you have a soul. Beasts made of pure chakra don't have souls, that much should be obvious. They talk and are intelligent because they were given life via Yang Chakra, not cause they have a soul.

Since when was having a soul synonymous with being able to speak and think?

Samehada must have a soul because its sentient. According to your logic anyway.

Either way, Hachibi isn't even on the outside. It is B wearing his chakra in Hachibi's form so I don't even see what you are trying to prove here. Him having a soul or not doesn't change the fact that Human Path is completely useless.

That last part just proved me right? as human path was able to take Naruto's soul even with a chakra cloak on which is what you said Hachibi is ..

Pretty sure we have discussed this as well,Deva controls who is affected by the force of repulsion and attraction Its a force just because your controlling it does not mean your auto. immune to it And we have already seen Preta was not afected by ST that were directly above him Twice ....

So also even if he is pulled into it ..their pulled in at the same direction and rate...so it would still work ... not even gona mention that while this is happening Human could implement his ambush ..

Damn did not want to get scans but so be it ...Well you see that reaction we were talking about did require keeping up with Jiraiya's speed ...as Human path was behind him at first

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and then when Jiraiya was able to get behind him..with speed

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Being able to get behind someone who can sense energy or chakra... one or the other ... is a feat as well

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Also i don't see why hitting him with a tentacle right when he tocuhes bee is going to do anything, ...One- It does not take long to remove a soul, 2- He can just remove it via tentacle

 

[KidGamer65]

That last part just proved me right? as human path was able to take Naruto's soul even with a chakra cloak on which is what you said Hachibi is .

lol, no. Human Path was able to take Naruto's soul because the his chakra cloak doesn't prevent Nagato from making contact with his real body.

Wearing Hachibi's chakra, which causes him to look like Hachibi obviously means he won't be able to touch Killer B meaning he won't be able to take his soul. Human Path has no place in this fight.

Pretty sure we have discussed this as well,Deva controls who is affected by the force of repulsion and attraction Its a force just because your controlling it does not mean your auto. immune to it And we have already seen Preta was not afected by ST that were directly above him Twice ....

No, he doesn't. That's fanfiction.

Scans? Not to mention I already know of one of these instances you are referring to, and that time ST's repulsive force was aimed at Naruto's clones not Preta on the ground.

Yes it does mean he's auto immune to it as Nagato wasn't pulled to the center when he used it

also even if he is pulled into it ..their pulled in at the same direction and rate...so it would still work ... not even gona mention that while this is happening Human could implement his ambush ..

If he's pulled into it, he gets encased by the rock. Meaning he's done for, he isn't absorbing anything at all when he's incapacitated.

Have you not seen how long it takes for him to absorb a

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? Which has far less chakra than a Bijuu Dama?

The rocks would crush him before he ever finished absorbing it even IF he managed to get into range of it.

So Human Path is also going to try and attack Killer B while the latter is getting pulled up by CT? Ok then, not like it matters as Human Path is useless.

Damn did not want to get scans but so be it ...Well you see that reaction we were talking about did require keeping up with Jiraiya's speed ...as Human path was behind him at first

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and then when Jiraiya was able to get behind him..with speed

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Being able to get behind someone who can sense energy or chakra... one or the other ... is a feat as well

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The first one is an off panel speed feat. Getting behind him doesn't mean he is keeping up with him. That doesn't even make sense.

I don't even know what you are trying to prove with that second panel. Jiraiya fired an attack and he clapped his hands and blocked. Far different than actually evading something let alone evading a tentacle at point blank range.

Jiraiya has shown no sensing feats, if he did he would have sensed Pain coming, its as simple as that.

Also i don't see why hitting him with a tentacle right when he tocuhes bee is going to do anything, ...One- It does not take long to remove a soul, 2- He can just remove it via tentacle

Tentacle hits him, and smashes him into the ground, meaning he dies. That is obviously what its going to do.

-He has to grasp his target, something he can't do while getting crushed to death.
-Can't touch B to take his soul due to the chakra surrounding him preventing him from making contact with his body not to mention trying to touch a tentacle that is coming to smash you is a fool's move.

I still see no counter to the Bijuu Hachimaki+Continuous Bijuu Dama strategy. If you don't know what it is,

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followed up with Continuous Bijuu Dama ends every Pain except for Preta Path, who can absorb the part of the explosion that it touches. (Don't say it'll intercept the Bijuu Dama for the other paths, because it won't be able to do so when its getting tossed back by an attack that leveled a forest..

Pain dies one way or another.

 

[Zexion~]

lol, no. Human Path was able to take Naruto's soul because the his chakra cloak doesn't prevent Nagato from making contact with his real body.

Wearing Hachibi's chakra, which causes him to look like Hachibi obviously means he won't be able to touch Killer B meaning he won't be able to take his soul. Human Path has no place in this fight.



No, he doesn't. That's fanfiction.

Scans? Not to mention I already know of one of these instances you are referring to, and that time ST's repulsive force was aimed at Naruto's clones not Preta on the ground.

Yes it does mean he's auto immune to it as Nagato wasn't pulled to the center when he used it


If he's pulled into it, he gets encased by the rock. Meaning he's done for, he isn't absorbing anything at all when he's incapacitated.

Have you not seen how long it takes for him to absorb a

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? Which has far less chakra than a Bijuu Dama?

The rocks would crush him before he ever finished absorbing it even IF he managed to get into range of it.

So Human Path is also going to try and attack Killer B while the latter is getting pulled up by CT? Ok then, not like it matters as Human Path is useless.


The first one is an off panel speed feat. Getting behind him doesn't mean he is keeping up with him. That doesn't even make sense.

I don't even know what you are trying to prove with that second panel. Jiraiya fired an attack and he clapped his hands and blocked. Far different than actually evading something let alone evading a tentacle at point blank range.

Jiraiya has shown no sensing feats, if he did he would have sensed Pain coming, its as simple as that.



Tentacle hits him, and smashes him into the ground, meaning he dies. That is obviously what its going to do.

-He has to grasp his target, something he can't do while getting crushed to death.
-Can't touch B to take his soul due to the chakra surrounding him preventing him from making contact with his body not to mention trying to touch a tentacle that is coming to smash you is a fool's move.

I still see no counter to the Bijuu Hachimaki+Continuous Bijuu Dama strategy. If you don't know what it is,

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Pain dies one way or another.

Lol so replace my human path strategy ...with Preta pain :snick:
Nah but seriously as you said its made out of chakra...so he should absorb it, ...and Nagato did not get absorbed becuase he gets to control who is affected by the force 0.o Each pain is able to take on one type of jutsu...it can take on different forms and styles but the premise stays the same, if he can control who is affected by it with ST ..the then its really not to far off to say he can with CT as well ...

Also CST is putting Hachibi down ...also sage mode grants the ability to sense,
That's like saying Madara can't use pre-cog just because he has not shown it

Everything i ignored you pawned me in ...except that hachibi move..it generates gust's of wind..not seeing how thats putting any of them down

 

[Zexion~]

Lol yeah right, it won't even kill Hachibi just push him back, all the other Pain will be in the area of effect of the attack so it will kill them hes just simplifying Bee's task

It would literally put him down i meant, which then leads to Preta absorbing the Hachibi ..



All this is making it seem like Nagato would lose lol

 

[Guntah]

Tobi`s paths can turn into full tailed beast mode, its not a discussion

 

[Zexion~]

Preta will be dead after CST, how is he going to be absorbing his chakra?

No ..deva controls who is and who is not affected by the force of repulsion ...we just discussed this

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol so replace my human path strategy ...with Preta pain :snick:
Nah but seriously as you said its made out of chakra...so he should absorb it, ...and Nagato did not get absorbed becuase he gets to control who is affected by the force 0.o Each pain is able to take on one type of jutsu...it can take on different forms and styles but the premise stays the same, if he can control who is affected by it with ST ..the then its really not to far off to say he can with CT as well ...

Its not pure chakra as we can see, its also flesh. Preta can't absorb flesh so at best he'd be absorbing chakra straight from Killer B or Hachibi. Preta can absorb the V2 Cloak since its pure chakra and nothing else.

Fine, lets say he can control who is affected by the force (Even though he can't do the same with ST like you are claiming and there is no proof he can either) this only makes it much harder for Preta to reach the Bijuu Dama in time, as he'd have to climb up all the rocks to be able to get to it, and there is no way he'd ever make it in time.

Also CST is putting Hachibi down ...also sage mode grants the ability to sense,
That's like saying Madara can't use pre-cog just because he has not shown it

CST isn't putting him down. Though it seems that in your latest post you mean he would literally put him on the ground, lol, so Preta would absorb, but as I explained above its impossible.

Not to mention CST would kill Preta and all the other paths if they are in the area of effect.

Jiraiya had an imperfect Sage Mode, not a Perfect Sage Mode like Naruto, Kabuto and Hashirama have.

Everything i ignored you pawned me in ...except that hachibi move..it generates gust's of wind..not seeing how thats putting any of them down

The strategy was to blast them away into the air and nuke them all bar Preta with Continuous Bijuu Dama.

 

[Zexion~]

Its not pure chakra as we can see, its also flesh. Preta can't absorb flesh so at best he'd be absorbing chakra straight from Killer B or Hachibi. Preta can absorb the V2 Cloak since its pure chakra and nothing else.

Fine, lets say he can control who is affected by the force (Even though he can't do the same with ST like you are claiming) this only makes it much harder for Preta to reach the Bijuu Dama in time, as he'd have to climb up all the rocks to be able to get to it, and there is no way he'd ever make it in time.


CST isn't putting him down. Though it seems that in your latest post you mean he would literally put him on the ground, lol, so Preta would absorb, but as I explained above its impossible.

Jiraiya had an imperfect Sage Mode, not a Perfect Sage Mode like Naruto, Kabuto and Hashirama have.




The strategy was to blast them away into the air and nuke them all bar Preta with Continuous Bijuu Dama.

Ahh...But isn't a TBB made purely of chakra...including its flesh?

like i said ...Asura path launches him up there....

OH ya forgot about that ..:/ lammeee

Well Deva can levitate/fly .... as can animal path really summons the bird,asura path can propel forward with boosters The only ones who would be dead for sure are Naruka and Human...How big are TBB again? As it would be much harder to hit something in the air ...especially since TBB's damage is the ensuing explosion

 

[Curse Mark]

Lol? They were writhing in pain. They were literally just hit with a chou odama rasengan, the smoke is actually still there showing the jutsu just dissipated. Then, the bird popped out of naruto's mouth and itachi activated amaterasu. the dogs didn't even have a chance to recover before getting hit by an Amaterasu, which they proceeded to roll around in (can't do that if immobile).

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Come on now...

=D

I commend you for proving me wrong on some parts, but Bijuu dama still puts it down for long enough that they can attack the pains now. A giant TBB has to disintegrate that thing though. Or else it could solo the juubi if nothing can kill it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ahh...But isn't a TBB made purely of chakra...including its flesh?

like i said ...Asura path launches him up there....

OH ya forgot about that ..:/ lammeee

Well Deva can levitate/fly .... as can animal path really summons the bird,asura path can propel forward with boosters The only ones who would be dead for sure are Naruka and Human...How big are TBB again? As it would be much harder to hit something in the air ...especially since TBB's damage is the ensuing explosion

Huh? A TBB made out of flesh? I'll assume you meant Bijuu. Bijuu are chakra created by COAT. Yin to create a physical form and Yang to breathe life into said form. They aren't pure chakra (Otherwise they wouldn't have flesh) but they are chakra beasts.

CT's

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Asura isn't tossing him up that far before a Bijuu Dama (Which is being actually being attracted toward the sphere by the gravitational pull unlike Preta) hits the core and blows it up.

He doesn't need to aim at them only at the surroundings. Which will cause

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every Pain would get hit as Deva and Animal aren't flying up the height of a Mountain before Bijuu Dama hits them, and Asura can only propel forward.

 

[Zexion~]

Huh? A TBB made out of flesh? I'll assume you meant Bijuu. Bijuu are chakra created by COAT. Yin to create a physical form and Yang to breathe life into said form. They aren't pure chakra (Otherwise they wouldn't have flesh) but they are chakra beasts.

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reaches heights far

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many

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Asura isn't tossing him up that far before a Bijuu Dama (Which is being actually being attracted toward the sphere by the gravitational pull unlike Preta) hits the core and blows it up.

He doesn't need to aim at them only at the surroundings. Which will cause

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every Pain would get hit as Deva and Animal aren't flying up the height of a Mountain before Bijuu Dama hits them, and Asura can only propel forward.

Hope you know one TBB is not ending the CT orb ? And where do you see that its above mountains that first scan? Its clearly just perspective

Preta can make it up there before the second one hits ..

Eh TBB is dumb lool

 

[KidGamer65]

Hope you know one TBB is not ending the CT orb ? And where do you see that its above mountains that first scan? Its clearly just perspective

Preta can make it up there before the second one hits ..

Eh TBB is dumb lool

I never said it was. I said that Continuous Bijuu Dama would end it. That's 4 Bijuu Dama fired at once.

Don't even try and pin it on perspective cause its pretty clear its above Mountains. Are you telling me that

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isn't above Mountains?

Its not perspective at all. Its just that they are above Mountains.

Continuous Bijuu Dama

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. Preta isn't making it up to block any of them.

 

[Zexion~]

I never said it was. I said that Continuous Bijuu Dama would end it. That's 4 Bijuu Dama fired at once.

Don't even try and pin it on perspective cause its pretty clear its above Mountains. Are you telling me that

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isn't above Mountains?

Its not perspective at all. Its just that they are above Mountains.

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. Preta isn't making it up to block any of them.

Oh that must of been the one that wasn't loading my bad ...still those are relatively small mountains ..while Asura was able to launch animal path over the leaf in seconds......

And i doubt the difference of speed in the TBB and Preta ..is THAT different that he could not block any

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh that must of been the one that wasn't loading my bad ...still those are relatively small mountains ..while Asura was able to launch animal path over the leaf in seconds......

And i doubt the difference of speed in the TBB and Preta ..is THAT different that he could not block any

Launching him above the leaf is not the same as tossing him up far above the height of a Mountain before Bijuu Dama reaches the sphere. It really doesn't matter if they are small since the center of the core is many many miles above those Mountains.

Its ridiculous to believe he is going to send him up FAR up above Mountains in order to block the Bijuu Dama, before it hits, especially when B is going to be closer to the sphere as he is the one being dragged up by it.

 

[Zexion~]

Launching him above the leaf is not the same as tossing him up far above the height of a Mountain before Bijuu Dama reaches the sphere. It really doesn't matter if they are small since the center of the core is many many miles above those Mountains.

Its ridiculous to believe he is going to send him up FAR up above Mountains in order to block the Bijuu Dama, before it hits, especially when B is going to be closer to the sphere as he is the one being dragged up by it.

>.> so he launches him before it gets as high,and...Damn it . Fine i give up, although i still have doubts that TBB in the air is going to finish pain


Nagato wins tho

 

[AGoodBoy]

=D

I commend you for proving me wrong on some parts, but Bijuu dama still puts it down for long enough that they can attack the pains now. A giant TBB has to disintegrate that thing though. Or else it could solo the juubi if nothing can kill it.

bold No and No.
A giant TBB would do nothing but power it out. Also, it can't solo Juubi. Why? Because pain/Nagato isn't surviving long enough for it to split sooooo many times that it's a threat to juubi. Mini juubi's which are almost neglible to the juubi in size are the size of summonings(the dogs). The dog would need to split thousands of times + Juubi can swing it hands to keep them away and what not. Let's not forget that SO6P took down the juubi, and seeing as during the latest chapters, Obito's MS didn't turn into a rinnegan, we could assume SO6P Did it with a rinnegan( and maybe sage mode but that's not important). What i'm saying is, the rinnegan techs are very formidable.

As to your point about bijuu-dama putting it down, though it's true it could become incapacitated, Animal path can

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of them off the bat. Therefore, one dog with 6 heads could possibly be summoned, which then splits into 6 individual dogs for each Tailed beast. After 1 tbb each of those dogs would be able to split into possibly 4 more, it's pretty much 4 immortal dogs VS each of these bijuu and we've seen what happened to the toads against the dogs, they were completely outclassed. And, the longer this fight goes on, the more dogs there'd possibly be. Even these tailed beasts will be overwhelmed by undying opponents surrounding them all over... This isn't taking into account CT, CST, Preta, Asura limbs,

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,

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,

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, Rhino,

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, etc. which could all do their bit to defend from a TBB in 1 way or another.

 

[Curse Mark]

bold No and No.
A giant TBB would do nothing but power it out. Also, it can't solo Juubi. Why? Because pain/Nagato isn't surviving long enough for it to split sooooo many times that it's a threat to juubi. Mini juubi's which are almost neglible to the juubi in size are the size of summonings(the dogs). The dog would need to split thousands of times + Juubi can swing it hands to keep them away and what not. Let's not forget that SO6P took down the juubi, and seeing as during the latest chapters, Obito's MS didn't turn into a rinnegan, we could assume SO6P Did it with a rinnegan( and maybe sage mode but that's not important). What i'm saying is, the rinnegan techs are very formidable.

As to your point about bijuu-dama putting it down, though it's true it could become incapacitated, Animal path can

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of them off the bat. Therefore, one dog with 6 heads could possibly be summoned, which then splits into 6 individual dogs for each Tailed beast. After 1 tbb each of those dogs would be able to split into possibly 4 more, it's pretty much 4 immortal dogs VS each of these bijuu and we've seen what happened to the toads against the dogs, they were completely outclassed. And, the longer this fight goes on, the more dogs there'd possibly be. Even these tailed beasts will be overwhelmed by undying opponents surrounding them all over... This isn't taking into account CT, CST, Preta, Asura limbs,

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,

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,

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,

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, Rhino,

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, etc. which could all do their bit to defend from a TBB in 1 way or another.

But there isn't proof he can summon more than one at a time. In the scan he summoned a 3 headed dog. Isn't that how it always starts?

 

[adeshina365]

6 paths of pain vs 6 bijuus.....

Bijuus got this.