5 bumps in teh way of Tobidara reveal!!!!!!!!!!

[minamoto]

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5 bumps in teh way of Tobidara reveal!!!!!!!!!!


1-teh Death of Itachi Uchiha : itachi saw clearly through Tobidara's illusion.he warned us in chapter 385 that thinking tobi isn't Madara might someday turn into a mere illusion , cuz the reall mastermind tobi was always Madara he says : "one's truth is another's illusion.." sadly itachi died not revealing us the full truth of tobidara..


2-the death of Kisame : it's impossible that kisame dies being fooled by a talknojustsued fooled Obito..kisame must have died protecting the ultimate secret identity of tobi (i mean tobi being Uchiha Madara)....you must always consider that kisame seeing the reall face of tobi is a mystery ... hundreds of thread shoud've discussed this mysterious mystery ..


3-the death of spiral Zetsu : just read the 4th data book spiral zetsu page his true name is tobi...the goofy tobi was spiral zetsu controlling obito...spiral zetsu knew about tobidara controlling obito but sadly he died not revealing us this info


4-the supposed death of Uchiha Madara(rikudo madara)...Rikudo Madara knows a lot and better then any other about tobidara's existence since they are the same person being split into 2 identities (thou it's not clear yet if rikudo Madara's is truely dead)..

5- teh death of Obito himself : obito should've proved to us that he was indeed the same badass masked tobi who controlled teh fox with just one ordinary sharingan...however he never did that in 4th ninja war...he didn't even remember about him controlling yagura and slaughtring the uchiha clan....wich means he was clearly fully controlled by tobidara who commited these evil incidents...


now we got 5 deaths of characters that are part of the tobidara mystery dont you Notice something strange??


NO YOU DONT!!!!...but minamoto does!!!!


Notice well : kishimoto is a weasel he killed and got rid of all characters who knew about tobidara's true identity...becuz it wouldn't make sense that these characters still live without revealing tobi's true ID to be tobidara

 

[thermal detonator]

Wait so "tobidara" is the masked man but instead of obito it's madara?

That literally makes no sense.terrible fanfic

I'm not even going to bother arguing because if you have the capacity to believe something so asinine,your beyond debate.

I will say the part where kisame sees masked man's face and says oh it's you or something
Doesn't really add up

 

[Meowazziel]

Tobidara theory is never gonna be true.
You just are not able to let it go.

Besides your arguments regarding the theory were and are lacking.

1. No, Itachi didnt see through Tobi/Obito at all. You have just twisted some stuff that Itachi said to Sasuke to mess with Sasuke his mind in their fight, to fit your own theory.
Itachi was even surprised, saying in his own thoughts, that he didnt expect that ''Madara'' knew about Itachi his real mission. Itachi was great but also he is not without mistakes (one of the other being that he thought he could do it all alone, which he realised was a fault).
Itachi was able to also acknowledge mistakes he made and things he couldnt do. Something he tried to teach Kabuto in that battle between the uchiha bros and Kabuto.

2. Check my reply to the quote below.

3. That Spiral zetsu his name is Tobi doesnt matter for the Tobidara theory at all. Obito can just have made use of that name/borrowed that name and Identity when he didnt want to pose as Madara and hiding his identity.
You say that spiral zetsu knew about Madara controlling Obito, but Madara has never truly done that. Madara just brainwashed Obito and Naruto helped Obito getting out of that.
If Madara controlled Obito, he wouldnt have needed to put the seal on his heart to prevent Obito from commiting suicide.

4.No argument either as you just saying here that Madara knew about Tobidara as he split himself. Yet this has never been proven or implied either.

5. Obito has proven to us that he was indeed that Tobi. Sharing about the crimes he has commit and the darkness that he fell in. In both the manga and the anime and the Yagura control memory part even appeared in the anime.
The Sharingan is feared to be able to control Kurama among other bijou.
This was even the case when they assumed that Madara was dead. So they feared it from other Uchiha than Madara as well.
So Obito being able to do it (empowered by zetsu flesh even) is no surprising feat.
He didnt control Kurama in the 4th ninja war as Kurama was in Naruto and they worked together.
He did control several other bijou with his sharingan rinnegan combo.

I will say the part where kisame sees masked man's face and says oh it's you or something
Doesn't really add up

It adds up fine.

When Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada, Yagura appeared.
Behind him Obito, posing as Madara, showing himself to Kisame and letting know that he controlled Yagura.

Later on in the series, Tobi removes his mask and shows himself to Kisame, who recognizes him from back when he showed that he controlled Yagura.

Kisame was fooled twice by Obito.
First around the time Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada.

Later on in the series when Obito as Tobi, removed his mask and showed his face to Kisame.

Obito has had Zetsu at his side.
Zetsu can mimic the looks of a person down to their chakra.
They could even have used this feature to make Obito look like Madara.
Although they probably didnt need to as Kisame has probably never seen the real Madara.

 

[Lyke]

Plausible theory. I think tgsts why tobi was sometimes goofy and sometimes serious. Madara took over him in that moment

 

[Meowazziel]

Plausible theory. I think tgsts why tobi was sometimes goofy and sometimes serious. Madara took over him in that moment

He was sometimes goofy when he was undercover in Akatsuki, where he didnt want people to know him any other way,
said by himself.

To many in the outside world he posed as Madara.
But he didnt want to do that at first in Akatsuki, so he took another identity for those moments as the goofy tobi. He didnt want the other Akatsuki members (except Nagato and Konan) that he was on the leader lvl together with them.
So he posed as a goofy new recruit.

 

[Lyke]

He was sometimes goofy when he was undercover in Akatsuki where he didnt want people to know him any other way, said by himself.

To many in the outside world he posed as Madara.
But he didnt want to do that at first in Akatsuki, so he took another identity for those moments as the goofy toby.

I dont doubt my lord itachi. He knew it and so do i.
Tobidara is real believe it or not. Tobi has 2 identities. Madara and obito

 

[Meowazziel]

I dont doubt my lord itachi. He knew it and so do i.
Tobidara is real believe it or not. Tobi has 2 identities. Madara and obito

Than you believe in a theory without there being sufficient arguments for it.

As it is full of holes, fallacies and stuff where he twists (purposely or not) manga hapenings and characters words to fit his theory.

There are no sufficient arguments for the theory.

So what remains is that you believe it just because you want it to be.
Because you want Itachi to have seen through everything and be without mistakes (which Itachi himself said wasnt so).
Or because you just want Madara to have split himself and Obito not having done everything he did.

But you cant believe in it based on arguments, as there are no sufficient arguments for it.

 

[UnknownJin]

Greath thread bro... also!

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[UnknownJin]

Tobidara theory is never gonna be true.
You just are not able to let it go.

Besides your arguments regarding the theory were and are lacking.

1. No, Itachi didnt see through Tobi/Obito at all. You have just twisted some stuff that Itachi said to Sasuke to mess with Sasuke his mind in their fight, to fit your own theory.
Itachi was even surprised, saying in his own thoughts, that he didnt expect that ''Madara'' knew about Itachi his real mission. Itachi was great but also he is not without mistakes (one of the other being that he thought he could do it all alone, which he realised was a fault).
Itachi was able to also acknowledge mistakes he made and things he couldnt do. Something he tried to teach Kabuto in that battle between the uchiha bros and Kabuto.

2. Check my reply to the quote below.

3. That Spiral zetsu his name is Tobi doesnt matter for the Tobidara theory at all. Obito can just have made use of that name/borrowed that name and Identity when he didnt want to pose as Madara and hiding his identity.
You say that spiral zetsu knew about Madara controlling Obito, but Madara has never truly done that. Madara just brainwashed Obito and Naruto helped Obito getting out of that.
If Madara controlled Obito, he wouldnt have needed to put the seal on his heart to prevent Obito from commiting suicide.

4.No argument either as you just saying here that Madara knew about Tobidara as he split himself. Yet this has never been proven or implied either.

5. Obito has proven to us that he was indeed that Tobi. Sharing about the crimes he has commit and the darkness that he fell in. In both the manga and the anime and the Yagura control memory part even appeared in the anime.
The Sharingan is feared to be able to control Kurama among other bijou.
This was even the case when they assumed that Madara was dead. So they feared it from other Uchiha than Madara as well.
So Obito being able to do it (empowered by zetsu flesh even) is no surprising feat.
He didnt control Kurama in the 4th ninja war as Kurama was in Naruto and they worked together.
He did control several other bijou with his sharingan rinnegan combo.

It adds up fine.

When Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada, Yagura appeared.
Behind him Obito, posing as Madara, showing himself to Kisame and letting know that he controlled Yagura.

Later on in the series, Tobi removes his mask and shows himself to Kisame, who recognizes him from back when he showed that he controlled Yagura.

Kisame was fooled twice by Obito.
First around the time Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada.

Later on in the series when Obito as Tobi, removed his mask and showed his face to Kisame.

Obito has had Zetsu at his side.
Zetsu can mimic the looks of a person down to their chakra.
They could even have used this feature to make Obito look like Madara.
Although they probably didnt need to as Kisame has probably never seen the real Madara.

And why would Obito cursed his own clan and take revenge ?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Lol Naruto is over. There is no such thing as Tobidara.

 

[Demonic.]

Yo this thread gave me diarrhea.

 

[Angelic.]

You should get those bumps checked out by a dr

 

[SZiaee]

Why did Tobidara attack Konoha ?? His goal was to collect all tailed beasts right ?

 

[minamoto]

Tobidara theory is never gonna be true.
You just are not able to let it go.

Besides your arguments regarding the theory were and are lacking.

1. No, Itachi didnt see through Tobi/Obito at all. You have just twisted some stuff that Itachi said to Sasuke to mess with Sasuke his mind in their fight, to fit your own theory.
Itachi was even surprised, saying in his own thoughts, that he didnt expect that ''Madara'' knew about Itachi his real mission. Itachi was great but also he is not without mistakes (one of the other being that he thought he could do it all alone, which he realised was a fault).
Itachi was able to also acknowledge mistakes he made and things he couldnt do. Something he tried to teach Kabuto in that battle between the uchiha bros and Kabuto.

2. Check my reply to the quote below.

3. That Spiral zetsu his name is Tobi doesnt matter for the Tobidara theory at all. Obito can just have made use of that name/borrowed that name and Identity when he didnt want to pose as Madara and hiding his identity.
You say that spiral zetsu knew about Madara controlling Obito, but Madara has never truly done that. Madara just brainwashed Obito and Naruto helped Obito getting out of that.
If Madara controlled Obito, he wouldnt have needed to put the seal on his heart to prevent Obito from commiting suicide.

4.No argument either as you just saying here that Madara knew about Tobidara as he split himself. Yet this has never been proven or implied either.

5. Obito has proven to us that he was indeed that Tobi. Sharing about the crimes he has commit and the darkness that he fell in. In both the manga and the anime and the Yagura control memory part even appeared in the anime.
The Sharingan is feared to be able to control Kurama among other bijou.
This was even the case when they assumed that Madara was dead. So they feared it from other Uchiha than Madara as well.
So Obito being able to do it (empowered by zetsu flesh even) is no surprising feat.
He didnt control Kurama in the 4th ninja war as Kurama was in Naruto and they worked together.
He did control several other bijou with his sharingan rinnegan combo.

It adds up fine.

When Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada, Yagura appeared.
Behind him Obito, posing as Madara, showing himself to Kisame and letting know that he controlled Yagura.

Later on in the series, Tobi removes his mask and shows himself to Kisame, who recognizes him from back when he showed that he controlled Yagura.

Kisame was fooled twice by Obito.
First around the time Kisame killed the previous user of Samehada.

Later on in the series when Obito as Tobi, removed his mask and showed his face to Kisame.

Obito has had Zetsu at his side.
Zetsu can mimic the looks of a person down to their chakra.
They could even have used this feature to make Obito look like Madara.
Although they probably didnt need to as Kisame has probably never seen the real Madara.

you have zero logic in your brain..my tobidara theory is 100% right becuz obito never admitted being the masked tobi...he never said something like "it was me the reall masked tobi"..thats becuz he was fully controlled by tobidara and dont remember many evil incidents that tobidara committed...also can you tell me why kisame called tobi madara and not obito...what tobi-face did kisame see???

Greath thread bro... also!

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thx bro....kisame and itachi knew about tobi being Madara...kisame died like hero protecting tobimadara's secret...kisame can not die like stupid being fooled by obito!!!!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

you have zero logic in your brain..my tobidara theory is 100% right becuz obito never admitted being the masked tobi...he never said something like "it was me the reall masked tobi"..thats becuz he was fully controlled by tobidara and dont remember many evil incidents that tobidara committed...also can you tell me why kisame called tobi madara and not obito...what tobi-face did kisame see???



thx bro....kisame and itachi knew about tobi being Madara...kisame died like hero protecting tobimadara's secret...kisame can not die like stupid being fooled by obito!!!!

Your logic, as ever, is impossibly wrong, and somewhat repeditive. Come up with some new arguments please.


While it is technically true that Obito never outright confirmed himself being Tobi, neither did Madara outright declare himself being Tobi. Oh look, you ignored that.

Kisame called Obito Madara because he recognised him from before, when he introduced himself as Madara. Whether he was believing Obito at the time is up for debate, but it must be remembered that ninjas can transform. Oh look, you ignored that as well.

Itachi is, unlike what most fans assume, capable of making mistakes. Thinking that the man who actually manipulated the entire series for over a decade is unable to fool Itachi, is just dumb.

Would Kisame have actually died to protect the dreadful secret "The man calling himself Madara Uchiha is in fact... MADARA UCHIHA!"? Probably, but it would somewhat ruin his character. Dying to protect Obito's true identity, or at least that he isnt Madara makes more sense, and makes a more interesting character.




I also notice that you ignored many of Meowazzail's points, so i am just going to remind you of them, as i would otherwise just bring them up myself.
1: Spiral Zetsu's name is irrelevant, as Obito may have simply based his Tobi persona on him.
2: Madara has never actually alluded to Tobidara, and furthermore, that ability itself has never been alluded to be part of madara, or the rinnegans powers.
3: Obito had Zetsu on his side, who can perfectly transform into someone else. It is entirely possible for the Goofy tobi persona to have been a Zetsu clone whenever Obito did not want to actually get involved.



And of course, then there is the biggest problem in the theory, that the manga is over. Also, Kishi is not known for his ability to foreshadow major plot points behind other plot points. If this was Oda, your theory would hold slightly more sway.

 

[minamoto]

Your logic, as ever, is impossibly wrong, and somewhat repeditive. Come up with some new arguments please.


While it is technically true that Obito never outright confirmed himself being Tobi, neither did Madara outright declare himself being Tobi. Oh look, you ignored that.

Kisame called Obito Madara because he recognised him from before, when he introduced himself as Madara. Whether he was believing Obito at the time is up for debate, but it must be remembered that ninjas can transform. Oh look, you ignored that as well.

Itachi is, unlike what most fans assume, capable of making mistakes. Thinking that the man who actually manipulated the entire series for over a decade is unable to fool Itachi, is just dumb.

Would Kisame have actually died to protect the dreadful secret "The man calling himself Madara Uchiha is in fact... MADARA UCHIHA!"? Probably, but it would somewhat ruin his character. Dying to protect Obito's true identity, or at least that he isnt Madara makes more sense, and makes a more interesting character.




I also notice that you ignored many of Meowazzail's points, so i am just going to remind you of them, as i would otherwise just bring them up myself.
1: Spiral Zetsu's name is irrelevant, as Obito may have simply based his Tobi persona on him.
2: Madara has never actually alluded to Tobidara, and furthermore, that ability itself has never been alluded to be part of madara, or the rinnegans powers.
3: Obito had Zetsu on his side, who can perfectly transform into someone else. It is entirely possible for the Goofy tobi persona to have been a Zetsu clone whenever Obito did not want to actually get involved.



And of course, then there is the biggest problem in the theory, that the manga is over. Also, Kishi is not known for his ability to foreshadow major plot points behind other plot points. If this was Oda, your theory would hold slightly more sway.

i couldn't discuss all his points cuz they look teh same...he has no manga evidences to back his opinions....

-i am in better postion then you..forexemple you say obito just based his persona on spiral zetsus' goofy behaviour....but my evidences of spiral zetsu being the goofy tobi makes more sense then your obito imitating s.zetsus personality opinion...

-3years ago ,i made theory saying that spiral zetsus true name is tobi...and guess what after 3 years the databook confirmed i was right cuz it stated that spiral zetsus name was indeed tobi...is this coincidence???..no it isn't!!...hav'nt u see how the zetsu was calling tobi dumb stupid then respecting tobidara and following his orders??...zetsu was talking to 2 different personalities...the goofy 1 was s.zetsu and boss 1 was tobidara.....

-remember 6 zetsus came out from sasuke's body...that was a hint from kishi that spiral zetsu was inside obito's body and got separated l8er

-you and meoazziel have no manga evidence that obito was the goofy tobi....kishimoto never proved this in manga scans...so my tobispiral zetsu theory makes more sense then yout obito being the goofy tobi...


-you creepy stalker know damn well that obito admitting being the masked tobi was an important procedure to confirme his true boss tobi identity...but he never did that...the chaps from 601 till 607 wee just flashbacks of obito turning evil rather then him being the masked tobi...

 

[Reboryushon]

This is so surreal.

The simple fact that TOBI is a wordplay of the name OBITO should be enough to end this rambling.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

i couldn't discuss all his points cuz they look teh same...he has no manga evidences to back his opinions....

In other words, you didnt read his points because they where all similar. You know that all your points are the same and i still read your stuff for some reason.

-i am in better postion then you..forexemple you say obito just based his persona on spiral zetsus' goofy behaviour....but my evidences of spiral zetsu being the goofy tobi makes more sense then your obito imitating s.zetsus personality opinion...

Are you? I was under the impression i was defending the theory that the man who took off a mask and was Obito is Obito.

I never actually said Spiral wasnt Tobi, in fact if you read what i say i actually mention that he(or just any Zetsu) might be. The difference is that i think he was just transformed into Tobi while Obito was elsewhere, while you think he was controlling Obito, something he cannot do without obito actually wearing him. Due to the fact you can see Obitos hair, he clearly wasnt.

-3years ago ,i made theory saying that spiral zetsus true name is tobi...and guess what after 3 years the databook confirmed i was right cuz it stated that spiral zetsus name was indeed tobi...is this coincidence???..no it isn't!!...hav'nt u see how the zetsu was calling tobi dumb stupid then respecting tobidara and following his orders??...zetsu was talking to 2 different personalities...the goofy 1 was s.zetsu and boss 1 was tobidara.....

There are plenty of other ways to explain that:
1: They where just maintaining the disguise, something that Ninjas do.
2: The Goofy Tobi WAS Spiral, but just transformed into Tobi so that Obito wouldnt have to keep acting like a moron, and allowing him to keep in regular contact with Pain.

-remember 6 zetsus came out from sasuke's body...that was a hint from kishi that spiral zetsu was inside obito's body and got separated l8er

Zetsus do not all work the same way. Also, they have never shown the ability to shrink into spores, just to produce them.

-you and meoazziel have no manga evidence that obito was the goofy tobi....kishimoto never proved this in manga scans...so my tobispiral zetsu theory makes more sense then yout obito being the goofy tobi...

You also have no manga evidence. You are just saying things that happened and putting your interpretation on it, as am i.

While there is a lack of direct evidence that Obito was always Tobi, that can be explained by Zetsu stunt doubles, plus occasional acting whenever he actually wants to see something important, considerably more believably than some convoluted possession theory.

However, there is a convenient amount of evidence that seperates Tobis Serious personality from Madaras. For example, Madara has a habit of refering to fighting as dancing, and clearly is having fun with it, while Serious Tobi doesnt particularly enjoy fighting, but rather is just trying to win any fights he happens to be in.

-you creepy stalker know damn well that obito admitting being the masked tobi was an important procedure to confirme his true boss tobi identity...but he never did that...the chaps from 601 till 607 wee just flashbacks of obito turning evil rather then him being the masked tobi...

Yes. Then a few panels later we saw 'Tobi' Putting flowers on Rins grave. Care to give any explanation for that? If it was really someone else, then what would they be doing there? or are you just going to post that picture of the guy with long sleeves doing a stupid dance captioned by "Didnt read Lol"

 

[UnknownJin]

you have zero logic in your brain..my tobidara theory is 100% right becuz obito never admitted being the masked tobi...he never said something like "it was me the reall masked tobi"..thats becuz he was fully controlled by tobidara and dont remember many evil incidents that tobidara committed...also can you tell me why kisame called tobi madara and not obito...what tobi-face did kisame see???



thx bro....kisame and itachi knew about tobi being madara...kisame died like hero protecting tobimadara's secret...kisame can not die like stupid being fooled by obito!!!!

ma ***** bre!!! Brooo tell them bre!!! Ahahahah cant rep man haterz gonna hate brateee

 

[UnknownJin]

you have zero logic in your brain..my tobidara theory is 100% right becuz obito never admitted being the masked tobi...he never said something like "it was me the reall masked tobi"..thats becuz he was fully controlled by tobidara and dont remember many evil incidents that tobidara committed...also can you tell me why kisame called tobi madara and not obito...what tobi-face did kisame see???



thx bro....kisame and itachi knew about tobi being madara...kisame died like hero protecting tobimadara's secret...kisame can not die like stupid being fooled by obito!!!!

haterz gonna hate bro! Hahahahah