4th vs 2nd (Multiple Scenarios)

[Oblivionx]

Except it's really that simple. Unless you think Minato is massively faster than any JJ, KCM Naruto, BM Naruto, Ay (which the Manga and DB outright show is false) there is no reason to believe that Minato Shunshin'd over to the Kyuubi in a second from the other end of the village. You talk about bias yet not only are you probably one of the most biased people when it comes Minato, you are defending a feat that you didn't see him perform, which bad logic at that.

-Says Minato and Ay are equal.
-Thinks Minato (and by extension Ay) can cross

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distance in a split second.

:lol My. Sides. Hurt. Bad.

Irrelevant. Madara catching Tobirama and Juubito being tagged by Tobirama doesn't make Madara faster than Tobirama when Madara wasn't in the same position Juubito was in. Juubito dashed at them, thus all Tobirama had to do was react. Tobirama was doing the attacking and had to take out Madara. Him being support is because he's too weak to fight head on, and so was Minato considering he got shat on when he rushed Obito. Not sure what point you are trying to make.

When Juubito's kick becomes faster than Juubito's Shunshin from 20-30 meters away then we can talk. Tobirama only reacting on defense is not only the point I'm making (thus all this offense, hype blah blah stuff you are talking about is irrelevant) but that being the point doesn't change the facts. Tobirama>Base Minato in reaction.

Which is irrelevant because the only factor in Minato getting hit or not isn't just the speed they burn, it's the AoE and the speed at which they burn and explode.

And please type in paragraphs. Looking at this hurts my eyes.

why is it not possible... shinobi shunshin is shown to be almost instant. it just depends on the perception of opponent. so answer this question, just because you think minato cannot cover this distance in a split second, we are going to ignore manga? the factual kid gamer doesn't want to accept a feat because he thinks it should not be possible?
i jus went through that chapter and it wasn't the entire village but a pretty good distance. and i don't see why he couldn't have shunshined there. and if he didn't shunshin then what was it? did he use ftg? then how?
i never said madara is faster than tobirama. what i was saying is that minato has shown feats to be an equal of tobirama in reactions department. you proudly say minato was defeated against both obito and madara (JJs). while tobirama reacted and tagged obito. i am saying is that tobirama was on defensive when he achieved the feat. while minato got defeated on offense. as a proof that it's difficult to react on offense was that same tobirama failed against non jin eyeless madara on offense. so minato could have replicated that feat on defense. and further proof is that minato saved naruto and sasuke from same obito and reacted to his kick.

@bold, what did you just say? a kick is slower than shunshin? wow.... there goes our physics. lets jus say a kick is slower than shunshin although same legs are used for shunshin and distance is greater. but lets jus say a kick is somewhat slower than shunshin, minato wasn't ready for an underground kick while tobirama was very prepared and already had a plan. that eliminates any difference of slower speed of kick. so yeah minato does have feats to equal tobirama's reactions.

now the paper bombs. so the time they take to burn doesn't matter? isn't this the window minato has for reacting? in fact AOE doesn't matter because minato can easily surpass it with shunshin or ftg as his feats suggest, shunshined to kyubi head, setting markings around jubi without anyone noticing. with manga intel it won't matter but only chance tobirama has of catching minato in the attack is surprise element.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

why is it not possible... shinobi shunshin is shown to be almost instant. it just depends on the perception of opponent. so answer this question, just because you think minato cannot cover this distance in a split second, we are going to ignore manga? the factual kid gamer doesn't want to accept a feat because he thinks it should not be possible?
i jus went through that chapter and it wasn't the entire village but a pretty good distance. and i don't see why he couldn't have shunshined there. and if he didn't shunshin then what was it? did he use ftg? then how?
i never said madara is faster than tobirama. what i was saying is that minato has shown feats to be an equal of tobirama in reactions department. you proudly say minato was defeated against both obito and madara (JJs). while tobirama reacted and tagged obito. i am saying is that tobirama was on defensive when he achieved the feat. while minato got defeated on offense. as a proof that it's difficult to react on offense was that same tobirama failed against non jin eyeless madara on offense. so minato could have replicated that feat on defense. and further proof is that minato saved naruto and sasuke from same obito and reacted to his kick.

@bold, what did you just say? a kick is slower than shunshin? wow.... there goes our physics. lets jus say a kick is slower than shunshin although same legs are used for shunshin and distance is greater. but lets jus say a kick is somewhat slower than shunshin, minato wasn't ready for an underground kick while tobirama was very prepared and already had a plan. that eliminates any difference of slower speed of kick. so yeah minato does have feats to equal tobirama's reactions.

now the paper bombs. so the time they take to burn doesn't matter? isn't this the window minato has for reacting? in fact AOE doesn't matter because minato can easily surpass it with shunshin or ftg as his feats suggest, shunshined to kyubi head, setting markings around jubi without anyone noticing. with manga intel it won't matter but only chance tobirama has of catching minato in the attack is surprise element.

It was the entire village plus outskirts, don't downplay distance to please kid gamer.

All it means is his food cart destroyer has hax range.

 

[Kami No Shunshin]

It was the entire village plus outskirts, don't downplay distance to please kid gamer.

All it means is his food cart destroyer has hax range.

People downplay shunshin here also I see, didn't killer bee move across a mountain range in an instant against taka?

 

[KidGamer65]

why is it not possible... shinobi shunshin is shown to be almost instant. it just depends on the perception of opponent. so answer this question, just because you think minato cannot cover this distance in a split second, we are going to ignore manga? the factual kid gamer doesn't want to accept a feat because he thinks it should not be possible?
i jus went through that chapter and it wasn't the entire village but a pretty good distance. and i don't see why he couldn't have shunshined there. and if he didn't shunshin then what was it? did he use ftg? then how?
i never said madara is faster than tobirama. what i was saying is that minato has shown feats to be an equal of tobirama in reactions department. you proudly say minato was defeated against both obito and madara (JJs). while tobirama reacted and tagged obito. i am saying is that tobirama was on defensive when he achieved the feat. while minato got defeated on offense. as a proof that it's difficult to react on offense was that same tobirama failed against non jin eyeless madara on offense. so minato could have replicated that feat on defense. and further proof is that minato saved naruto and sasuke from same obito and reacted to his kick.

@bold, what did you just say? a kick is slower than shunshin? wow.... there goes our physics. lets jus say a kick is slower than shunshin although same legs are used for shunshin and distance is greater. but lets jus say a kick is somewhat slower than shunshin, minato wasn't ready for an underground kick while tobirama was very prepared and already had a plan. that eliminates any difference of slower speed of kick. so yeah minato does have feats to equal tobirama's reactions.

now the paper bombs. so the time they take to burn doesn't matter? isn't this the window minato has for reacting? in fact AOE doesn't matter because minato can easily surpass it with shunshin or ftg as his feats suggest, shunshined to kyubi head, setting markings around jubi without anyone noticing. with manga intel it won't matter but only chance tobirama has of catching minato in the attack is surprise element.

There is no feat to accept. You assume that Minato Shunshin'd all the way over to the other side of the village. You say it's a fact yet you can't actually show me him Shunshin'ing to get there. Thus I can take other feats from faster characters and come to the conclusion that however Minato got there, he didn't use Shunshin. Fact of the matter is, unless you think Minato's Shunshin is faster than Juubi Jins and Ay's and KCM Naruto's, there is nothing to discuss on this topic nor do I care how he did so, I only care about proving how he didn't get there.

Yes, KCM Minato has shown feats to be an equal of Tobirama in the reaction department. :lol Something irrelevant to my point because I said it was debatable in the first place. Not sure why you are mentioning Minato vs. Madara and Obito when I never once mentioned them as a reference to compare Tobirama and Minato's. :lol You are making it pretty clear that you are trying to dodge the actual argument, which you should stop. From similar distances, Tobirama reacted to Juubito and Minato barely reacted to Ay, who is far slower than Juubito. Thus Tobirama>Base Minato in reaction speed. That's a fact. Your counter is irrelevant because it counters something that was never stated.

It's ironic that you have the nerve to talk about physics when your reasoning for Shunshin being slower than a kick is that they both use the same legs, but the distance is greater, when Shunshin and kicking are two completely different actions. A kick traveling less distance doesn't make it faster than Shunshin. A kick being from the same leg as the Shunshin doesn't make it as fast as the Shunshin when Shunshin uses chakra to boost movement speed, in an explosive manner. And lol @ the bold, so the kick being a surprise automatically proves your point? Are we serious now? I guess every surprise attack>every frontal attack when it comes to comparing character's reactions. :lol

Wrong again. If he uses Shunshin, then he'd have to be fast enough to cross the entire distance of the paper bomb explosions before they can explode, thus AoE becomes relevant. Hiraishin depends on the range of his Kunai. The rest of your feats are irrelevant because:

1. He didn't Shunshin across the entire village.
2. Minato did that before he even arrived at the battlefield. No one noticing isn't a feat when no one knew he was even alive bar Naruto. Then there's the fact that the battlefield was at the center. He put markings far far out in four corners. And it took him an unspecified amount of time.

 

[Kami No Shunshin]

That's some logic right there. One gets half his body torn in half in order to successfully land a hit. While the other reacts and counters (performs multiple actions after the reaction) without getting hit. Yet the one who gets killed in the process is called the one with better reaction. That is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and people here worship this guy. Grief.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's some logic right there. One gets half his body torn in half in order to successfully land a hit. While the other reacts and counters (performs multiple actions after the reaction) without getting hit. Yet the one who gets killed in the process is called the one with better reaction. That is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and people here worship this guy. Grief.

Hmm, sounds like something a dumb Minato fanboy would say. Guess you must be one. Get at me when you can find me Base Minato reacting to someone on Juubito's level of speed. K? You fanboys stay crying about how he got torn in half, even though that is irrelevant to the fact that he was still able to physically react, whereas Minato was only able to react to Ay, from a distance not even 2x smaller than what was between Tobirama and Juubito, when Ay's fist was a couple inches from his face. Put someone as fast as Obito in place of Ay and Minato gets killed with no reaction.

 

[Kami No Shunshin]

Not a fanboy, just thought your post was retarded, but I guess that's your immediate response when someone disagrees with you, their a fanboy right? If you must know, Shisui kicks both their asses, but let's not get off topic. Not to mention I think Tobirama is stronger. But that logic is beyond idiotic. Same guy who only reacted last minute to sm madaras black rod strike, and still got manhandled beaten off panel. Sacrificing yourself to lay a touch on something isn't some extraordinary feat others can't replicate.

What yo should comparing is the manner in which Tobirama evaded Madaras rod that was only an inch away from piercing Tobirama, compared to Minato evading Ei. Instead you compare two completely different scenarios that aren't even comparable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not a fanboy, just thought your post was retarded, but I guess that's your immediate response when someone disagrees with you, their a fanboy right? If you must know, Shisui kicks both their asses, but let's not get off topic. Not to mention I think Tobirama is stronger. But that logic is beyond idiotic. Same guy who only reacted last minute to sm madaras black rod strike, and still got manhandled beaten off panel. Sacrificing yourself to lay a touch on something isn't some extraordinary feat others can't replicate.

What yo should comparing is the manner in which Tobirama evaded Madaras rod that was only an inch away from piercing Tobirama, compared to Minato evading Ei. Instead you compare two completely different scenarios that aren't even comparable.

So basically your post is you crying and whining that people give Tobirama the feat he deserves. :lol. The reasoning in the bold is pure garbage. Did Tobirama physically react to Juubito's speed. Yes or no? Stop ducking the argument and throwing the same overused horse doodoo that the Minato fanboys love to toss at anyone who sticks to the facts. You all complain "he lost half his body" yet you keep ignoring that the main point is, his reactions are fast enough to let him physically react to Obito before Obito can rip his arm off. Simple.


Then there's the rest of your post.

You cry about me comparing what I'm comparing, yet you have the nerve to bring a completely different scenario into the discussion as evidence. :lol. Tobirama was literally right in front of Madara when Madara attacked him. Why would I compare a STRIKE from Madara who is RIGHT IN THE MAN'S FACE, to a Shunshin from around 10-20m away by Ay, rushing at Minato instead of comparing Ay's Shunshin towards Minato to Juubito's Shunshin towards Tobirama from a distance not even 2x greater in length? What? Why don't we use this little thing I love to call common sense?


Fact of the matter is, Minato and Tobirama were matched with Ay and Juubito, and Minato barely reacted from a distance not too far off from where Tobirama's reactions were fast enough to physically react before Obito ripped off his arm, thus Tobirama's reactions>Minato's reactions as Juubito>>>Ay in speed. End of story.

 

[Kami No Shunshin]

No one is avoiding the argument except you. He sacrificed himself to land a mark. In life that feat is meaningless because it amounts to nothing since he is dead. Your logic that Minato can't replicate the same thing in that same situation is dumb. Minato reacted easily to Ei the second time with his back turned, why not compare that. You think he can't replicate the same thing in the exact situation and mark Juubito because of Eis feat? What a crappy argument. If I recall, Minato witnessed juubitoa speed and was barely impressed, he noted it was fast but his facial expression didn't appear overly amazed at it.

Tobirama barely evaded madaras rod strike from point blank. Literally teleports at the last second. So there is your same daft logic. Use hat instead avoiding it. V2 Ei shunshin>>>>>>>>>>sm Madara hand speed, yet Tobirama reacted late. Keep trying kid.

I find you very childish as well, is this how you debate. Automatic fanboy because I don't agree with your reasoning? Pathetic.

 

[KidGamer65]

No one is avoiding the argument except you. He sacrificed himself to land a mark. In life that feat is meaningless because it amounts to nothing since he is dead. Your logic that Minato can't replicate the same thing in that same situation is dumb. Minato reacted easily to Ei the second time with his back turned, why not compare that. You think he can't replicate the same thing in the exact situation and mark Juubito because of Eis feat? What a crappy argument. If I recall, Minato witnessed juubitoa speed and was barely impressed, he noted it was fast but his facial expression didn't appear overly amazed at it.

Irrelevant. I'm not gauging the feat or the usefulness of the feat. I'm only gauging his reactions. Something that seems to fly right over your head. Maybe we should start using common sense like I suggested? The fact that you are actually using Minato reacting to Ay as evidence that he can react to someone tiers faster is already enough to cement the fact that no one with half a brain should take you seriously.

Then there's the fact that Ay only used Shunshin once. Minato's second reaction isn't a feat because Ay only ran at him. Nice try though.

If I recall, anyone who reads the Manga knows that Juubito never used Shunshin against Minato. The only time Juubito's speed was a factor against Minato is when Juubito chopped his arm off before he could even react. :lol Though, I applaud your multiple attempts at rewriting the Manga. It shows your dedication towards wanking Minato.

Tobirama barely evaded madaras rod strike from point blank. Literally teleports at the last second. So there is your same daft logic. Use hat instead avoiding it. V2 Ei shunshin>>>>>>>>>>sm Madara hand speed, yet Tobirama reacted late. Keep trying kid.

No need to use that when:

1. The distances are completely different. Thus negating every and all comparison you can possibly conjure up.
2. The bold is an assumption. At least the severity of the claim is an assumption. One that you pulled out of your ass.

From similar distances, Ay almost blitzed Minato. And Tobirama reacted to Juubito. Put Juubito in Ay's position and he rips Minato in half with no reaction for the simple fact that Minato could barely react to Ay from that distance, let alone someone tiers faster than him. It's amazing how slow some people can be.

It's funny how your retarded ass stays ignoring this example, while I've addressed your example and proposed one that actually makes sense.

I find you very childish as well, is this how you debate. Automatic fanboy because I don't agree with your reasoning? Pathetic.

I call you a fanboy because you debate with the mentality of a fanboy. That simple. If you don't want to be called a fanboy, then pull your head of your ass and learn how to argue. :lol

 

[Kami No Shunshin]

Nah, I just find it laughable that you somehow came to the conclusion that Minato cannot sacrifice half his body to mark Juubito if placed in the same position.

Keep trying to avoid facts, Tobirama reacted last minute to Madara and you can't counter it. I care not for you excuses. It's no different to Minato reacting to Ei last Minato, excepts the Ei blitz being much faster.

lol Ei didn't run the second time, stop interpreting the manga your own way. Why did kishi parallel that scene to the same scene that Naruto evaded Ei with then? Did Ei run against Naruto as well? Why did he re-enter Raiton mode if he was using shunshin. His plan was to intercept Minato with his top speed the moment Minato reappeared. Which means he was going to speed, how does your version even make sense. "I'm Ei, I'm gonna run real slow at this blond fool and then once he teleports away, then I'll waste an extra second to activate my top speed which will give him enough time to evade again". Nice logic kid.

Keep calling me fanboy then. I don't even care for the match up. I just don't like your retarded ass logic that you used for that one point. It's like saying hinata has greater striking speed than Kakashi because pain reacted to kakashis underground attack from point blank. Yet hinata forced pain to evade multiple times.

 

[BLAZE]

V2 Ei shunshin>>>>>>>>>>sm Madara hand speed

huh pulled it out of ur ass

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Edit: Actually i will like to see how you actually compared both

 

[KidGamer65]

Nah, I just find it laughable that you somehow came to the conclusion that Minato cannot sacrifice half his body to mark Juubito if placed in the same position.

What I find to be laughable is that you keep crying about how I don't believe it, yet you can't prove that he can.

Keep trying to avoid facts, Tobirama reacted last minute to Madara and you can't counter it. I care not for you excuses. It's no different to mi sto reacting to Ei last Minato, expects the Ei blitz being much faster.

Except it is and I've explained why. Repeating the same thing over and over isn't going to make it true kiddo. That's how I know you no longer have anything useful to contribute.

-Juubito>>>>Ay.
-Minato reacted to Ay, barely.
-Tobirama reacted to Juubito, at a distance not even 2x greater than what Minato barely reacted to Ay from.

Thus Tobirama>Minato in reaction speed. Mentioning Madara is useless since:

-You can't prove that SM Madara's striking speed is far below Ay's Shunshin speed.
-Tobirama was less than half a foot from Madara. Minato was 20m away from Ay.

lol Ei didn't run the second time, stop interpreting the manga your own way. Why did kishi parallel that scene to the same scene that Naruto evaded Ei with then? Did Ei run against Naruto as well? Why did he re-enter Raiton mode if he was using shunshin. His plan was to intercept Minato with his top speed the moment Minato reappeared. Which means he was going to speed, how does your version even make sense. "I'm Ei, I'm gonna run real slow at this blond fool and then once he teleports away, then I'll waste an extra second to activate my top speed which will give him enough time to evade again". Nice logic kid.

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-Running.

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-Shunshin.

Read the Manga moron. Then we have Ay clearly stating that he'll wait for Minato warp, then he'll use his speed (Shunshin) to smash his skull in. I'll crop the panel since you've already shown it to be extremely difficult for you to read the Manga.

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The bold also shows that you don't have the mental capacity to process anything you read properly. If Ay had charged at Minato the same way, Minato would evade, the same damn way. If he waits for Minato to teleport (after predicting what Kunai he goes to), and then uses his speed, Minato has far less time to prepare and evade. Ay even explained this and you are still arguing against the Manga. :lol Dumbass kid is a dumbass.

Keep calling me fanboy then. I don't even care for the match up. I just don't like your retarded ass logic that you used for that one point. It's like saying hinata has greater striking speed than Kakashi because pain reacted to kakashis underground attack from point blank. Yet hinata forced pain to evade multiple times.

Good. I'll keep calling you what you are.

Your example is pure ass, just like your arguments, for the simple fact that Pain avoided both. How in the hell does Pain avoiding both=One being faster than the other? :lol Jesus. Kids these days. Shouldn't be allowed to use computers. Too ****ing stupid tbh.

 

[Oblivionx]

It was the entire village plus outskirts, don't downplay distance to please kid gamer.

All it means is his food cart destroyer has hax range.

lol why would i want to please him? i reread the chapter and explained my perception. May be i didn't get the right panel. can you show it to me? in fact i'd like it to be a better feat. heck the greater the distance the better it'd be for me...!

 

[Oblivionx]

There is no feat to accept. You assume that Minato Shunshin'd all the way over to the other side of the village. You say it's a fact yet you can't actually show me him Shunshin'ing to get there. Thus I can take other feats from faster characters and come to the conclusion that however Minato got there, he didn't use Shunshin. Fact of the matter is, unless you think Minato's Shunshin is faster than Juubi Jins and Ay's and KCM Naruto's, there is nothing to discuss on this topic nor do I care how he did so, I only care about proving how he didn't get there.

Yes, KCM Minato has shown feats to be an equal of Tobirama in the reaction department. :lol Something irrelevant to my point because I said it was debatable in the first place. Not sure why you are mentioning Minato vs. Madara and Obito when I never once mentioned them as a reference to compare Tobirama and Minato's. :lol You are making it pretty clear that you are trying to dodge the actual argument, which you should stop. From similar distances, Tobirama reacted to Juubito and Minato barely reacted to Ay, who is far slower than Juubito. Thus Tobirama>Base Minato in reaction speed. That's a fact. Your counter is irrelevant because it counters something that was never stated.

It's ironic that you have the nerve to talk about physics when your reasoning for Shunshin being slower than a kick is that they both use the same legs, but the distance is greater, when Shunshin and kicking are two completely different actions. A kick traveling less distance doesn't make it faster than Shunshin. A kick being from the same leg as the Shunshin doesn't make it as fast as the Shunshin when Shunshin uses chakra to boost movement speed, in an explosive manner. And lol @ the bold, so the kick being a surprise automatically proves your point? Are we serious now? I guess every surprise attack>every frontal attack when it comes to comparing character's reactions. :lol

Wrong again. If he uses Shunshin, then he'd have to be fast enough to cross the entire distance of the paper bomb explosions before they can explode, thus AoE becomes relevant. Hiraishin depends on the range of his Kunai. The rest of your feats are irrelevant because:

1. He didn't Shunshin across the entire village.
2. Minato did that before he even arrived at the battlefield. No one noticing isn't a feat when no one knew he was even alive bar Naruto. Then there's the fact that the battlefield was at the center. He put markings far far out in four corners. And it took him an unspecified amount of time.

lol shunshin is almost instant movement. Where character disappears from one point and reappears at another just like ftg though ftg being instant. he's not Ay. You keep saying to everyone reread this n reread that.. May be you should reread how shunshin was used by characters like kakashi, minato, heck even tobirama. The fact that he had no other way to get there proves that he used shunshin. You are denying a feat without any reasoning or proof like a kid, i won't accept it coz i don't like it. It's a legit feat. in war arc he was fighting characters faster than him. just like how SS1 goku doesn't show any increase in speed visually in SS3 doesn't mean SS3 isn't faster than SS1. they had to balance character speeds to show that jubi jins are faster than him. Doesn't mean his previous feats should be ignored. he surprised sasuke and naruto multiple times with his shunshin. Same naruto that evaded Ay couldn't get to kakashi who was about to kill obito while minato did in an instant. You don't care about how he got there because you don't want to accept a legit feat and you have no argument to reject it.

okay at least this is clear that KCM minato doesn't has any lesser reactions.
it's funny really.. if minato couldn't react to Ay then you would have had a point but minato did. So what makes you think he can't to mindless obito in the 1st place? Yes obito is faster than Ay but then minato didn't get his body torn apart now did he? Shouldn't that make up for loss of speed Ay has. And tobirama failed to react against eyeless madara. Who wasn't any faster than Ay. Ay didn't even touch minato while madara pinned down an ftg user. i still don't understand how is that possible because they didn't even change location means fight concluded fast and in one or two moves. Committing suicide to touch opponent isn't a feat you can use to compare reactions. Because minato never tried to commit suicide against jins to touch them. But we have feats from both characters where they can be compared. Tobirama against eyeless madara and minato against Ay...! But you don't wanna go there coz it will prove you wrong..

So you are saying taijutsu doesn't use chakra? lol i guess gai n lee should never run out of chakra. And yes a surprise attack is always difficult to evade compared to a frontal attack of equal speed. What are you getting at? This is stupid really. I'm done here.

lol so you are saying minato cannot bypass explosions AOE with a kunai? you actually mean to say he cannot throw a kunai out of the explosion range? haha.. thanks for the laugh.. XD
this was my last post on the matter since we are never going to agree on anything and i have had enough of extraordinary logic for the day...!

 

[KidGamer65]

lol shunshin is almost instant movement. Where character disappears from one point and reappears at another just like ftg though ftg being instant. he's not Ay. You keep saying to everyone reread this n reread that.. May be you should reread how shunshin was used by characters like kakashi, minato, heck even tobirama. The fact that he had no other way to get there proves that he used shunshin. You are denying a feat without any reasoning or proof like a kid, i won't accept it coz i don't like it. It's a legit feat. in war arc he was fighting characters faster than him. just like how SS1 goku doesn't show any increase in speed visually in SS3 doesn't mean SS3 isn't faster than SS1. they had to balance character speeds to show that jubi jins are faster than him. Doesn't mean his previous feats should be ignored. he surprised sasuke and naruto multiple times with his shunshin. Same naruto that evaded Ay couldn't get to kakashi who was about to kill obito while minato did in an instant. You don't care about how he got there because you don't want to accept a legit feat and you have no argument to reject it.

No. Shunshin is not almost instant. When the smoke is there, that is them using smoke to mask their movements. Not to mention you tell me this even though you still can't prove your point. You can keep on moaning and whining about me not accepting the feat based on me not wanting to, when in reality it's based on:

-You not being able to prove that he did so.
-Minato factually being nowhere near the speed level necessary to do so.

Though considering you are a known Minato fanboy I can't really be surprised that you try your hardest to twist any opposing argument that threatens to end your wank.

it's funny really.. if minato couldn't react to Ay then you would have had a point but minato did. So what makes you think he can't to obito in the 1st place? Yes obito is faster than Ay but then minato didn't get his body torn apart now did he? Shouldn't that make up for loss of speed Ay has.

Wrong again. The point is Minato BARELY reacted. Minato only managed to react when Ay was already in his face. If Ay gets over 2x faster and Minato stays the same speed, what in the world do you think would happen? Oh wait, I know.

Minato gets torn in half. Tobirama getting torn in half or not is irrelevant, because I'm gauging the speed of his reactions.

So you are saying taijutsu doesn't use chakra? lol i guess gai n lee should never run out of chakra. And yes a surprise attack is always difficult to evade compared to a frontal attack of equal speed. What are you getting at? This is stupid really. I'm done here.

:lol Why are you such a retard? Taijutsu uses stamina dumbass. Not chakra.

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What's even worse is that you are actually trying to argue that a burst of chakra from the feet=Obito swinging his foot. :lol You just reminded me why the Minato fanbase can't be taken seriously.

And yes, a surprise attack of equal speed. Key words. EQUAL. SPEED. Juubito's kick is not equal in speed to his Shunshin. If you'd take off the fanboy wank glasses you'd be able to argue without sounding like a fool every time you post. Jesus.

lol so you are saying minato cannot bypass explosions AOE with a kunai? you actually mean to say he cannot throw a kunai out of the explosion range? haha.. thanks for the laugh.. XD
this was my last post on the matter since we are never going to agree on anything and i have had enough of extraordinary logic for the day...!

If only I said that. :lol But once again the fanboy misconstrues what he can't counter. Thanks for wasting my time kiddo, and never reply to me again.

 

[Unorthodox]

That shisui dude funny. I agree if tobirama was alive that feat would not exist because he would have been dead the moment he face was torn off

 

[Kages]

Minato would beat Tobirama obviously, but not with Edo Tensei.

 

[Gold Lightning]

So from what I can understand from this:

- a feat that is physically impossible to perform while alive and was only achievable as an immortal that doesnt feel pain, means tobirama has better reactions? :lol
- minato cannot replicate the same thing in the same situation because he "barely" reacted to ay point blank without sacrificing his life? :|
- tobirama barely reacting to madaras slower attack and then being unable to avoid getting impaled several times after still means he has better reactions. :|

Hmm, i wonder which attack was harder to evade and least expected...

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Image #1:not forgetting he had to throw that kunai above ay before he could teleport out of the way
Image #2:literally millimetres away from getting stabbed b4 he reacts, even though the kunai was already in the air for him to teleport.

Yet minato cant mark an opponent by allowing half his body to get torn off in the process because? Thats all I'll say on the matter. This place is ridiculous.

 

[KidGamer65]

So from what I can understand from this:

- a feat that is physically impossible to perform while alive and was only achievable as an immortal that doesnt feel pain, means tobirama has better reactions? :lol
- minato cannot replicate the same thing in the same situation because he "barely" reacted to ay point blank without sacrificing his life? :|
- tobirama barely reacting to madaras slower attack and then being unable to avoid getting impaled several times after still means he has better reactions. :|

Hmm, i wonder which attack was harder to evade and least expected...

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Image #1:not forgetting he had to throw that kunai above ay before he could teleport out of the way
Image #2:literally millimetres away from getting stabbed b4 he reacts, even though the kunai was already in the air for him to teleport.

Yet minato cant mark an opponent by allowing half his body to get torn off in the process because? Thats all I'll say on the matter. This place is ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is that you Minato fanboys can do nothing but repeat defeated arguments. Another reason why this fanbase (especially you and Obsession) is not taken seriously.