4th vs 2nd (Multiple Scenarios)

[Great Master Minato]

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Scenario 1

Spoiler

Alive Minato vs Alive Tobirama

Location: 4th Great Ninja War's Battlefield

Starting Distance: 100m

Intel: Full/Manga (whichever you see fit)

Restrictions: None

Scenario 2

Spoiler

Edo Base Minato vs Edo Tobirama

Location: 4th Great Ninja War's Battlefield

Starting Distance: 100m

Intel: Full/Manga (whichever you see fit)

Restrictions: None

Scenario 3

Spoiler

Edo KCM Minato vs Edo Tobirama (I think this one is unbalanced but people believe Edo Tobirama was better than Edo KCM Minato)

Location: 4th Great Ninja War's Battlefield

Starting Distance: 100m

Intel: Full/Manga (whichever you see fit)

Restrictions: None

Scenario 4

Spoiler

Edo BM Minato vs Edo Tobirama (Tobirama can summon Base Hashirama)

Location: 4th Great Ninja War's Battlefield

Starting Distance: 100m

Intel: Full/Manga (whichever you see fit)

Restrictions: None

 

[DrProof]

Any version of Tobirama Edo > Minato.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That last one is a stomp in favor of Tobirama

 

[KingHashirama]

All Scenarios are taken by Tobirama. Especially the first 2.

 

[Ripple Hole]

4th summons multiple boss toads that the 2nd is incapable
of teleporting due to size and gangs up on Water Boi in all
scenarios, INB4 Reaper Death God forces tie if all else.
-4th touches back and MARKS-
-REAPER DEATH GOD GG-
-Rasengan GG-
-TELEPORTS FROGS ONTO HIM GG-
-Uzimakiii sealing techs gg-

4th perfected 2nd's justu, as it goes
the senju is jack of all trades but master of none.
Kabuto master edo, and 4th master rasegan and flying thunder gawd.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato wins S1, loses S2, probably loses S3, wins S4.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Minato wins S1, loses S2, probably loses S3, wins S4.

How does Minato even beat Hashirama?

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Minato even beat Hashirama?

Base Hashirama can't deal with Flash Bijuu Dama. Not to mention he can't take out the Avatar due to Hiraishin preventing him from suppressing it, and due to him not having the firepower to breach it in Base.

 

[Ripple Hole]

How does Minato even beat Hashirama?

He doesn't .
FTG gets past dat mofo and he takes out Water Boi and
escapes dat area like mofoing lighting.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Base Hashirama can't deal with Flash Bijuu Dama. Not to mention he can't take out the Avatar due to Hiraishin preventing him from suppressing it, and due to him not having the firepower to breach it in Base.

His wood hands that he was going to use on PS can redirect TBBs. You think Wood Golem can't take out his avatar?:lol

 

[KidGamer65]

His wood hands that he was going to use on PS can redirect TBBs. You think Wood Golem can't take out his avatar?:lol

No, they can redirect regular Bijuu Dama, and BD the size of Naruto's Avatar, but not Flash Bijuu Dama.

And no, since when did Mokujin in Base have the firepower to get past something that can take the Juubi's laser? :lol. The only way we can talk about it being breached is if he goes ham and starts hitting it with a barrage of punches, but since Minato can teleport that'll never happen.

 

[Lord Tywin]

No, they can redirect regular Bijuu Dama, and BD the size of Naruto's Avatar, but not Flash Bijuu Dama.

Never mind the hands. He can use the Tree World to redirect them

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And no, since when did Mokujin in Base have the firepower to get past something that can take the Juubi's laser? :lol. The only way we can talk about it being breached is if he goes ham and starts hitting it with a barrage of punches, but since Minato can teleport that'll never happen.

It'll come down to stamina, which Hashirama shits.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato wins S1, loses S2, probably loses S3, wins S4.

So Tobirama loses to Alive Minato yet he can beat Edo KCM Minato? Care to explain?

I swear I saw someone said Tobirama with ET can take BM Minato that's why I created S4.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Minato wins all.

Edo exploding tags don't mean shit.

 

[Gold Lightning]

That stupid ass edo tensei of his so overrated. Same jutsu that hiruzen already outran, same jutsu that required hashiramas clone to bind the target to stop him from escaping. Same jutsu minato already teleported away from in canon. Same jutsu that he db says is extremely high risk to perform and is highly probable to catch the user in the explosion.

 

[KidGamer65]

So Tobirama loses to Alive Minato yet he can beat Edo KCM Minato? Care to explain?

I swear I saw someone said Tobirama with ET can take BM Minato that's why I created S4.

Gojo Kibakufuda ends his life. He can already react to him, so no speed blitz is ever happening, and Tobirama's feat of reacting to Juubito puts his reactions above Base Minato, and closer to KCM Minato's, if not above considering Minato can barely physically react to Ay from a shorter, but nowhere near 2x, distance than Tobirama can react to and tag Juubito.

A teleporting kamikaze ends him. Sooner or later.

Never mind the hands. He can use the Tree World to redirect them

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It'll come down to stamina, which Hashirama shits.

Didn't he need Doton Wall to slow down the BD? The only way he'd be able to replicate this would be via Rashomon or something, but even then it's iffy.

No, it won't come down to stamina. It'll come down to Minato teleporting away from Mokujin's range and nuking it with Flash BD.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Gojo Kibakufuda ends his life. He can already react to him, so no speed blitz is ever happening, and Tobirama's feat of reacting to Juubito puts his reactions above Base Minato, and closer to KCM Minato's, if not above considering Minato can barely physically react to Ay from a shorter, but nowhere near 2x, distance than Tobirama can react to and tag Juubito.

A teleporting kamikaze ends him. Sooner or later.

Can Tobirama make the Edos explode from a distance? If no then he can't caught Minato in the blast without being caught himself considering Minato is faster on his feet & is a better teleporter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Can Tobirama make the Edos explode from a distance? If no then he can't caught Minato in the blast without being caught himself considering Minato is faster on his feet & is a better teleporter.

Tobirama is Edo, and he can make clones, he can just do it himself. And lol @ him being a better teleporter when Hiraishin is Hiraishin. No difference between Minato and Tobirama's.

And yes he can make anything explode from anywhere as he would be controlling it. That's like asking if Kabuto can control Edos from a distance. The only thing is, he'll have to use his own or a clone's body.

 

[DrProof]

Tobirama is Edo, and he can make clones, he can just do it himself. And lol @ him being a better teleporter when Hiraishin is Hiraishin. No difference between Minato and Tobirama's.

And yes he can make anything explode from anywhere as he would be controlling it. That's like asking if Kabuto can control Edos from a distance. The only thing is, he'll have to use his own or a clone's body.

Doesn't Tobirama have superior reaction speed? Probably enabling him to react to Minato's SLOW ASS striking speed. Tobirama beats Minato's ass.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't Tobirama have superior reaction speed? Probably enabling him to react to Minato's SLOW ASS striking speed. Tobirama beats Minato's ass.

Base Minato? Yeah. KCM Minato? It's debatable. But yeah, I don't see either of them being outright blitzed by the other's Hiraishin attacks. But I agree that Tobirama can win S2 and S3.......


Hell, he could probably even win S1 considering the most important things when using Hiraishin are reaction and striking speed, and Tobirama surpasses Minato in both. (reacting to and tagging Juubito)