If Obito had shown his MS people would have seen it was the exact same as Kakashi's, this should be common sense. As soon as Kakashi asked, where did you get that eye? Obito finally got a panel of his ms.
But every time obito's eye was shown before or after using kamui ,it was just a sharingan not ms
I can give you many panels show obito with just the sharingan before or after using kamui
I don't think that obito was opining his ms before evey intangibility,teleporting or warping 's usage and close it again immediately after every intangibility,teleporting or warping 's usage
Whatever as I said obito can win even without kamui
But every time obito's eye was shown before or after using kamui ,it was just a sharingan not ms
I can give you many panels show obito with just the sharingan before or after using kamui
I don't think that obito was opining his ms before evey intangibility,teleporting or warping 's usage and close it again immediately after every intangibility,teleporting or warping 's usage
Whatever as I said obito can win even without kamui
Juubi Sized Katons are out of the question since he uses Kamui to create them
Ribcage protects against any of Obito's external attacks, and if he tries using his weak Mokuton, Itachi evades it eith ease
Karasu and Explosive Bunshins can be used to disorient Obito and when used in tandem with Itachi's expert Shurikenjutsu, Obito can easily be put on the defensive the entire battle
Itachi has shown far more impressive Shunshin feats than Obito, and could catch a surprised Obito in Totsuka without too much trouble.
It doesn't matter, Madara had no eyes and still used Susano. You claiming Madara can do it, yet someone else can't simply because he is "Madara" is what's stupid
I can't even understand what nonsense are you trying to tell.. Madara used it. He unlocked EMS and Rinnegan. He mastered Rikudo kinjutsu along with sharingan(MS,EMS included). That was probably the reason why he was able to use Susano'o without his eyes. Since when Itachi mastered his eyes as far as Madara ?
His eyes were active there. They just lost their sight and was about to go blind. He was still able to see. Just like fuel of a car. When he ran out of it he died. If he was capable of using Susano'o without MS he woudn't bother with activating MS in the first place. Lack of MS pattern in his eyes showing us that his eyes are at their limit. He was nevertheless using MS.
Regarding Obito using Kamui without activating MS. I dont think that was the case. Kishi just didn't want to spoil Tobi's character. Thats why he didn't showed us Tobi's MS pattern.He probably used MS off panel.
If they will use 3 tomoes only fight will be decided in close combat. Obito can get past Itachi's regular genjutsu, Madara himself trained him in that area. Obito's mokuton spikes will give him the victory.
His mokuton is quite deadly actually. Since you are in denial I suggest you to re-read the chapter 605.
I can't even understand what nonsense are you trying to tell.. Madara used it. He unlocked EMS and Rinnegan. He mastered Rikudo kinjutsu along with sharingan(MS,EMS included). That was probably the reason why he was able to use Susano'o without his eyes. Since when Itachi mastered his eyes as far as Madara ?
His mokuton is quite deadly actually. Since you are in denial I suggest you to re-read the chapter 605.
I can't even understand what nonsense are you trying to tell.. Madara used it. He unlocked EMS and Rinnegan. He mastered Rikudo kinjutsu along with sharingan(MS,EMS included). That was probably the reason why he was able to use Susano'o without his eyes. Since when Itachi mastered his eyes as far as Madara ?
His eyes were active there. They just lost their sight and was about to go blind. He was still able to see. Just like fuel of a car. When he ran out of it he died. If he was capable of using Susano'o without MS he woudn't bother with activating MS in the first place. Lack of MS pattern in his eyes showing us that his eyes are at their limit. He was nevertheless using MS.
Regarding Obito using Kamui without activating MS. I dont think that was the case. Kishi just didn't want to spoil Tobi's character. Thats why he didn't showed us Tobi's MS pattern.He probably used MS off panel.
If they will use 3 tomoes only fight will be decided in close combat. Obito can get past Itachi's regular genjutsu, Madara himself trained him in that area. Obito's mokuton spikes will give him the victory.
The design was gone, meaning the Sharingan itself has lost it's light. Itachi was barely able to see before his body gave out, but nevertheless, his Sharingan was still gone. Madara also later solidifies this by using Susano'o with the Rinnegan and even without eyes.
And if it came down to Taijutsu, Itachi still is able to use Bunshins to
I'd love to know how. Itachi can't beat Obito without MS.
Obito is incredibly cunning, has super strength, super speed, rapid healing, Uchiha kinjutsu, Inyouton, Rikudou jutsus, Mokuton, powerful Katons, Gedo Mazo, and various weaponry; such as Madara's warfan.
I'd love to know how. Itachi surely can't beat Obito without MS; he can't beat most characters without it. Obito is incredibly cunning, has super strength, super speed, rapid healing, Uchiha kinjutsu, Inyouton, Rikudou jutsus, Mokuton, powerful Katons, Gedo Mazo, and various weaponry; such as Madara's warfan.
I'm aware it's not a popularity contest, which is why I'm quite confused as to why you think Obito wins. His only inyouton jutsu is Izanagi, something that won't have much relevancy since Itachi is aware he'd have it. It's truly the other way around. Obito is nothing without his MS and Itachi has Uchiha kinjutsu as well.
Obito is cunning? That's news to me. I hope you don't believe his intelligence is going to be of much importance while going up against, of all people, the smartest Uchiha to ever live.
Itachi either ends him with a Genjutsu or blitzes his head off. This isn't debateable.
I'm aware it's not a popularity contest, which is why I'm quite confused as to why you think Obito wins. His only inyouton jutsu is Izanagi, something that won't have much relevancy since Itachi is aware he'd have it. It's truly the other way around. Obito is nothing without his MS and Itachi has Uchiha kinjutsu as well.
Obito is cunning? That's news to me. I hope you don't believe his intelligence is going to be of much importance while going up against, of all people, the smartest Uchiha to ever live.
Itachi either ends him with a Genjutsu or blitzes his head off. This isn't debateable.
Izanagi is an Uchiha kintjutsu. Itachi may or may not be aware that he has it, but it doesn't stop Obito using it with a level of success.
Itachi can only use Izanami, which takes forever and a day to use and he'll die before being able to complete it.
It's hilarious that you actually believe that Itachi's genjutsu and speed are greater than what they actually are. Obito either ends Itachi with genjutsu or blitzes his head off. This isn't even debatable.
Uh, no, you didn't list the reasons why Obito wins. Listing someone technique's differ from actually elaborating as to why and how one person can beat another; you didn't prove anything of substantiality even in the minimalist sense of the word. You can name all the techniques you want. Until you actually prove how Obito's techniques can actually defeat Itachi your statements are irrelevant.
Lol, no, sorry, but Obito doesn't have anywhere near the speed and reflexes of SM Kabuto in order to kill Itachi before Izanami would be initiated.
@Bold, I find it comical that you think Obito is blitzing Itachi or putting him in a Genjutsu when Itachi is leagues ahead of him in both categories.
Uh, no, you didn't list the reasons why Obito wins. Listing someone technique's differ from actually elaborating as to why and how one person can beat another; you didn't prove anything of substantiality even in the minimalist sense of the word. You can name all the techniques you want. Until you actually prove how Obito's techniques can actually defeat Itachi your statements are irrelevant.
Lol, no, sorry, but Obito doesn't have anywhere near the speed and reflexes of SM Kabuto in order to kill Itachi before Izanami would be initiated.
@Bold, I find it comical that you think Obito is blitzing Itachi or putting him in a Genjutsu when Itachi is leagues ahead of him in both categories.
Let me look back at what you said earlier in this thread...
"Itachi absolutely destroys Obito with Kamui restricted. Make it MS Itachi vs MS Obito and Itachi still wins."
"Itachi either ends him with a Genjutsu or blitzes his head off. This isn't debateable."
Hypocrite, much? Until you can prove that Itachi's techniques can actually defeat Obito, your statements are irrelevant.
Funny, Itachi didn't have the speed and reflexes either.
You find it comical? How hypocritical. Would you mind showing proof of such a claim? After all, Obito controlled a Kage for years which Ao compared to Koto Amatsukami, and Obito at 14 was able to keep up with Minato.
None of Itachi's attacks will keep Obito down, while Obito has everything Itachi has and more to force him into defeat. How many army-sized fireballs can Itachi avoid? How can Itachi avoid the entire ground? What does he do against Gedo Mazo? etc.
Let me look back at what you said earlier in this thread...
"Itachi absolutely destroys Obito with Kamui restricted. Make it MS Itachi vs MS Obito and Itachi still wins."
"Itachi either ends him with a Genjutsu or blitzes his head off. This isn't debateable."
Hypocrite, much? Until you can prove that Itachi's techniques can actually defeat Obito, your statements are irrelevant.
Funny, neither Itachi did have the speed and reflexes either.
You find it comical? How hypocritical. Would you mind showing proof of such a claim? After all, Obito controlled a Kage for years which Ao compared to Koto Amatsukami, and Obito at 14 was able to keep up with Minato.
None of Itachi's attacks will keep Obito down, while Obito has everything Itachi has and more to force him into defeat. How many army-sized fireballs can Itachi avoid? How can Itachi avoid the entire ground? What does he do against Gedo Mazo? etc.
We don't know the mechanics of Obito controlling Yagura. What we do know is Obito couldn't place Konan in a genjutsu until she was impaled and dying in Obito's arm.
Meanwhile, Itachi and Sasuke were putting each other in Genjutsu all day.
Itachi can use suiton and they are by a body of water in the location.
We don't know the mechanics of Obito controlling Yagura. What we do know is Obito couldn't place Konan in a genjutsu until she was impaled and dying in Obito's arm.
Meanwhile, Itachi and Sasuke were putting each other in Genjutsu all day.
Itachi can use suiton and they are by a body of water in the location.
We do know he did it, and it was compared to Koto Amatsukami. You can't deny that or downplay it.
Obito didn't get a chance to place her under a genjutsu because she attacked him. If you recall, Sharingan genjutsu requires eye contact which characters try to avoid.
Redudant. Itachi as an Edo Tensei wouldn't be revived at full power and was therefore restricted; thus his speed and reflexes reflect that, coupled with the fact that he didn't have killing intent against Kabuto.
You find it comical? How hypocritical. Would you mind showing proof of such a claim? After all, Obito controlled a Kage for years which Ao compared to Koto Amatsukami, and Obito at 14 was able to keep up with Minato.
Lol, this again. This truly has to be one of the most overrated feats of all time. Obito controlled the Mizukage by controlling the beast within him; something that Hebi Sasuke was able to do, and Itachi is leagues ahead of him in Genjutsu. The MS eyes alone were meant to be able to tame Bijuu. That feat is useless. I hope you can bring more than that. Kakashi broke out of Obito's Genjutsu yet failed to break Itachi's. That speaks for itself.
@Bold, now I see you're truly speaking out of your ass. Obito was getting blitzed left and right and had entirely no idea what was going on, LMFAO.
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Any other shit you want to spew? This is getting quite humorous. Obito isn't keeping up with shit.
None of Itachi's attacks will keep Obito down, while Obito has everything Itachi has and more to force him into defeat. How many army-sized fireballs can Itachi avoid? How can Itachi avoid the entire ground? What does he do against Gedo Mazo? etc.
Itachi can either blow it back by remotely detonating his Daibakuha, using Suiton to counter whatever Katon is in his path, seal Amaterasu in Shisui's eye and use it to douse Obito's Katon, or simply jump over it.
This is 3T Obito vs 3T Itachi. Obito needs the Rinnegan to control the Gedo Mazo, something he doesn't have in this matchup. Even if it is here, Itachi quickly seals it.
We do know he did it, and it was compared to Koto Amatsukami. You can't deny that or downplay it.
Obito didn't get a chance to place her under a genjutsu because she attacked him. If you recall, Sharingan genjutsu requires eye contact which characters try to avoid.
It being compared to Koto Amatsukami means nothing. Until it's backed up by actual feats of being able to replicate KA, that's nothing but useless hype. Ao is from a completely different nation. He only stated what he heard; that doesn't make it true.
Lol so? Orochimaru and countless others have tried to avoid Genjutsu yet they have fallen prey to it. If Obito can't put her under Genjutsu because they were "fighting" then that really proves how inept Obito is at Genjutsu.
The size of his Suiton reflects the amount of chakra he inputs inside of it; when necessary he'll use a certain amount to rid himself of the Katons. Not to mention, like Senju pointed out, he has a water source so it won't hurt his chakra reserves.
Juubi Sized Katons are out of the question since he uses Kamui to create them
Ribcage protects against any of Obito's external attacks, and if he tries using his weak Mokuton, Itachi evades it eith ease
Karasu and Explosive Bunshins can be used to disorient Obito and when used in tandem with Itachi's expert Shurikenjutsu, Obito can easily be put on the defensive the entire battle
Itachi has shown far more impressive Shunshin feats than Obito, and could catch a surprised Obito in Totsuka without too much trouble.
Obito can use kamui without MS so he can do juubi size fire ball he has wood release black rods shoot giant black rods out of his eye which took down the eight tails he have a huge amount a stamina he has been taught by madara can use gedo mazo without rinnegan. Itachi thought he was madara he was the true leader of akasuki controlled the 4th mizukage then had kisame calling him Lord Mizukage.
If Obito had shown his MS people would have seen it was the exact same as Kakashi's, this should be common sense. As soon as Kakashi asked, where did you get that eye? Obito finally got a panel of his ms.
