3t Madara vs Deidara

[Made in Heaven]

Deidara takes this.

Also, I'm pretty sure Madara's Juubi-sized Katons were only shown when he was an Edo tensei summon w/ Rennigan and Mokuton.

 

[Xlad]

Madara by far.

- Has a far faster body flicker to blitz him
- Fire Style large and powerful enough to burn his clays to a crisp.
- Sharingan can see chakra color of Deidara's C4.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Deidara takes this.

Also, I'm pretty sure Madara's Juubi-sized Katons were only shown when he was an Edo tensei summon w/ Rennigan and Mokuton.

Doesn't mean he can't do it as a mortal. Only difference between Edo and Mortal is that Edo regens chakra faster, both forms have the same chakra capacity though.

Madara wins, or are Deidara's reflexes better then SM Narutos? Also, I am amazed no one brought this up yet but Madara can still use Susanoo. He used it while blind, remember?

 

[Ambivalence]

Madara wins. Colossal Katons, Gunbai, much faster, Sharingan that sees through Deidara's techniques.

Also, I am amazed no one brought this up yet but Madara can still use Susanoo. He used it while blind, remember?

This is 3T Madara, not a downgraded EMS Madara. It is assumed he hasn't unlocked it yet.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

This is 3T Madara, not a downgraded EMS Madara. It is assumed he hasn't unlocked it yet.

It was a Madara without eyes. I would understand if it was stated in the OP that Madara can only use 3-Tomoe Techniques (or maybe that's default, I don't know), but since it was never stated, I am to assume this is 3-Tomoe Madara with the full arsenal he has displayed with 3-Tomoe or under.

 

[Ambivalence]

It was a Madara without eyes.

The only reason Madara without eyes used Susano'o was because he had previously unlocked it by acquiring EMS. 3T Madara, which is the version that's fighting in this thread, has not unlocked it, therefore he can't use it. You're basically thinking of Alive War Arc Madara, which isn't the version that is stated.

I would understand if it was stated in the OP that Madara can only use 3-Tomoe Techniques (or maybe that's default, I don't know), but since it was never stated, I am to assume this is 3-Tomoe Madara with the full arsenal he has displayed with 3-Tomoe or under.

It's quite evident the OP meant non-Susano'o Madara vs Deidara, and I've already explained why he can't use it anyway.

 

[Dropgun]

Madara with med diff.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

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The only reason Madara without eyes used Susano'o was because he had previously unlocked it by acquiring EMS. 3T Madara, which is the version that's fighting in this thread, has not unlocked it, therefore he can't use it. You're basically thinking of Alive War Arc Madara, which isn't the version that is stated.

It's quite evident the OP meant non-Susano'o Madara vs Deidara, and I've already explained why he can't use it anyway.

So Madara before unlocking MS, k, that Madara has little to no feats. Do you see why it doesn't work like that? If its something that's default (3-Tomoe with no Susanoo) then I am in the wrong, but the explanation you are giving me doesn't work.

 

[Ambivalence]

So Madara before unlocking MS, k, that Madara has little to no feats.

That doesn't matter, as all his non-MS and above Edo feats are taken into consideration as well, since Madara would logically be able to use them while being alive as well. It always works like that in the VS section. However, and for the last time, all the OP said was 3T Madara, which logically means he cannot use Susano'o as he's obviously referring to alive 3T Madara, who never in his lifetime had a Susano'o without first gaining EMS. Even if that weren't true, Alive War Arc Madara never had a 3T Sharingan to begin with, so I really don't understand how you could mix them up.

If its something that's default (3-Tomoe with no Susanoo)...

That's right, it is.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

[/font]That doesn't matter, as all his non-MS and above Edo feats are taken into consideration as well, since Madara would logically be able to use them while being alive as well. It always works like that in the VS section. However, and for the last time, all the OP said was 3T Madara, which logically means he cannot use Susano'o as he's obviously referring to alive 3T Madara, who never in his lifetime had a Susano'o without first gaining EMS. Even if that weren't true, Alive War Arc Madara never had a 3T Sharingan to begin with, so I really don't understand how you could mix them up.

Susanoo for Madara is a non-MS feat for Madara, technically speaking. He did not have MS active when he used it therefore its not an MS feat.

@bolded Yeah, he had NO Sharingans or eyes for that matter. Therefore, its a BASE feat, so he can use it with 3-Tomoe since 3-Tomoe is a stage above base. Its common sense.

With that said, now that I know its default to have Susanoo restricted with 3-Tomoe, I don't see why we are continuing this argument.