3rd raikage vs MS sasuke

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After reading this what did you counter exactly? Danzo tried exactly what you said the 3rd Raikage would do actually... Danzo clearly didn't have his arm up before he casted Amaterasu and this scan is more than enough proof.( ). Once he seen Sasuke eyes he put his arm up and he Amaterasu'ed his body.( ). Same thing happens here then what?


1. He has Izanagi, why in the world would he make an actual attempt to block the flame?

2. You didn't see his arm before Amaterasu hit him, so I don't know where the bold is coming from.

3. If it hits his body, he takes and still beats Sasuke's ass, in a matter of minutes. Couldn't even burn through Naruto's V1 cloak, or the Samurai's Armor. Unless the Raikage sits and twiddles his thumbs, Sasuke isn't going to survive long enough to even see the Raikage feel pain let alone die.


Plus you keep talking about his speed his speed is mediocre as fodders such as Dodai dodged him/managed to get away from him... Sasuke dodges while his legs body and arm roast he'll falter eventually...

You literally repeated everything the other one said. Everything I've already replied to.

Since when was Dodai a fodder? Since when was the Raikage's right hand man a fodder? Lmao. Please learn what the word fodder means before you use it. Dodai reacting to the Raikage means Dodai has impressive reactions, because the Raikage is already factually fast. Already factually as fast as V1 Ay, who is already factually superior to Sasuke when it comes to movement speed.
 

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1. He has Izanagi, why in the world would he make an actual attempt to block the flame?

2. You didn't see his arm before Amaterasu hit him, so I don't know where the bold is coming from.

3. If it hits his body, he takes and still beats Sasuke's ass, in a matter of minutes. Couldn't even burn through Naruto's V1 cloak, or the Samurai's Armor. Unless the Raikage sits and twiddles his thumbs, Sasuke isn't going to survive long enough to even see the Raikage feel pain let alone die.
That's a piss poor excuse not a counter... Danzo arm was clearly not up look at the scan again... Once Raikage engages him in cqc Sasuke dodges similar to how he did Ei then manipulate the Amaterasu via enton to spread over his face...




You literally repeated everything the other one said. Everything I've already replied to.

Since when was Dodai a fodder? Since when was the Raikage's right hand man a fodder? Lmao. Please learn what the word fodder means before you use it. Dodai reacting to the Raikage means Dodai has impressive reactions, because the Raikage is already factually fast. Already factually as fast as V1 Ay, who is already factually superior to Sasuke when it comes to movement speed.
Dodai is fodder just because he's the right man doesn't give him a prestige... Sasuke dodges v1 Ei while landing attacks so that means nothing if he's his speed...
 

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That's a piss poor excuse not a counter..


Those are cold hard manga facts. Why would Danzo block if he has Izanagi? Where do you see Danzo's arm not up before the flame hits him?


Danzo arm was clearly not up look at the scan again...
No, you look at the scan again and show me where Danzo's arm is not shown at his sides before the flame hit him.


Once Raikage engages him in cqc Sasuke dodges similar to how he did Ei then manipulate the Amaterasu via enton to spread over his face...

He has to have some kind of contact with the Amaterasu flame in order to manipulate it. Once it's on the Raikage's body, he can't manipulate it. If you disagree I suggest you get scans of Sasuke using Kagutsuchi on any flame that his chakra or body wasn't touching. If you are going to say that he touches the flame on the Raikage's body, then I'll just tell you that the Raikage grabs Sasuke's hand, rips it off and then tears him apart with Nukite.

And no, he can't generate Kagutsuchi on his hands, that's an EMS Sasuke feat only in case you were thinking of bringing that up.




Dodai is fodder just because he's the right man doesn't give him a prestige... Sasuke dodges v1 Ei while landing attacks so that means nothing if he's his speed...

-Has a name.

-Was the right hand man of the Raikage. (And yes, that is obviously enough reas

-Reacted to Raikage's speed.

Thus he's not a fodder, unless you want to assert that fodder can react to the raikage.

Sasuke barely dodged V1 Ay's elbow, and the latter only charged at him, didn't even use Shunshin.
 

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3rd is too much. Maybe genjutsu when he charges...Zzz
 

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Those are cold hard manga facts. Why would Danzo block if he has Izanagi? Where do you see Danzo's arm not up before the flame hits him?



No, you look at the scan again and show me where Danzo's arm is not shown at his sides before the flame hit him.




He has to have some kind of contact with the Amaterasu flame in order to manipulate it. Once it's on the Raikage's body, he can't manipulate it. If you disagree I suggest you get scans of Sasuke using Kagutsuchi on any flame that his chakra or body wasn't touching. If you are going to say that he touches the flame on the Raikage's body, then I'll just tell you that the Raikage grabs Sasuke's hand, rips it off and then tears him apart with Nukite.
Just because he didn't want to die if it wasn't needed... Here you go.( ). He is going to touch it... Rib cage prevent him from getting grabbed my friend... Also ration based attacks doesn't work well against Sasuke...


And no, he can't generate Kagutsuchi on his hands, that's an EMS Sasuke feat only in case you were thinking of bringing that up.


-Has a name.

-Was the right hand man of the Raikage. (And yes, that is obviously enough reas

-Reacted to Raikage's speed.

Thus he's not a fodder, unless you want to assert that fodder can react to the raikage.

Sasuke barely dodged V1 Ay's elbow, and the latter only charged at him, didn't even use Shunshin.
Never said he could... Some fodders have a name like that magnetic guy... Ill give you one point for that... Those sand fodders reacted to his speed and blew him back via wind slices...
 

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3rd Raikage loses... Amaterasu complimented by pre-cog and Summonings ends this... Plus the 3rd Raikage isn't that fast ...

3rd Raikage isn't that fast ... -_- You so powerful in debates man
 

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Just because he didn't want to die if it wasn't needed... Here you go.( ). He is going to touch it... Rib cage prevent him from getting grabbed my friend... Also ration based attacks doesn't work well against Sasuke...

In case you forgot, the manga is read left to right. That was before Danzo realized Amaterasu was being used. That makes it completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Then instead of grabbing him, he tears through Susanoo with Nukite. I'm just gonna hope you aren't serious with the bold. Sasuke hurt himself with his own Chidori. 4 Fingered Nukite>>Chidori. One Fingered Nukite>FRS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke's body.


Never said he could... Some fodders have a name like that magnetic guy... Ill give you one point for that... Those sand fodders reacted to his speed and blew him back via wind slices...

Those sand fodders?

1. They didn't blow him back.

2. He wasn't attacking them like he was attacking Naruto, mainly because Kabuto erased his personality after his encounter with Temari.

3. Scans of them reacting to his speed please.
 

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3rd Raikage isn't that fast ... -_- You so powerful in debates man
List of people faster than him...

Naruto
Madara
Hashirama
Tobirama
Minato
Gai
Sasuke
Ei
Obito
Kaguya
etc..... Shall i go on?
 

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And what speed feats put Obito above the 3rd Raikage again?
 

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In case you forgot, the manga is read left to right. That was before Danzo realized Amaterasu was being used. That makes it completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Then instead of grabbing him, he tears through Susanoo with Nukite. I'm just gonna hope you aren't serious with the bold. Sasuke hurt himself with his own Chidori. 4 Fingered Nukite>>Chidori. One Fingered Nukite>FRS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke's body.




Those sand fodders?

1. They didn't blow him back.

2. He wasn't attacking them like he was attacking Naruto, mainly because Kabuto erased his personality after his encounter with Temari.

3. Scans of them reacting to his speed please.
My point was proven just leave that first argument alone and admit your wrong... How Raikage arm is going to be full extended how is he going to cut Sasuke with Nukite? I was just stating that just because he relies heavily on his ration... Yes these fodders and Tamari all manage to hit him before they were blitzed.( ).

What stops Sasuke replicating this feat?( )
 

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My point was proven just leave that first argument alone and admit your wrong...


It's crazy that the guy with no real argument is always the one to say this. I'm still waiting for you to prove that he put his guard up against an attack that can't hurt him. Also, "Just because he didn't want to die if it wasn't needed".

Really now? Just saw that quote. If it had hit his arm it would have burnt him and Izanagi would have activated regardless.

How Raikage arm is going to be full extended how is he going to cut Sasuke with Nukite?
Uh, what are you talking about? Why would his arm be fully extended? If Sasuke charges at him to touch the flame, the Raikage responds by cutting him with Nukite. It can't get simpler than that.

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Yes these fodders and Tamari all manage to hit him before they were blitzed.( ).
Once again. Scans of them reacting to the Raikage's speed please? All I see is a stationary Raikage tanking their attack.


What stops Sasuke replicating this feat?( )

The fact SM Naruto is more reflexive than MS Sasuke. The fact that he doesn't have anything remotely close to Rasengan to let him pull this off, and the fact that he only needs 3 Fingered Nukite to kill Sasuke, and that is too weak to hurt the Raikage.
 

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And what speed feats put Obito above the 3rd Raikage again?

He has none. I constantly stress to people that Obitos movement and fight speeds are slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle in Kamui land. All he did against Naruto, Bee, Gai, and Kakashi was phase through all their attacks. Thats not movement or fight speed and people seem extremely unaware of that and think hes "as fast" as any of those characters (which he is not) and can "keep up" with those characters. We already seen his own physical movements and reactions and it ended up in Kakashi beating him, blitzing a whole in his chest with Raikiri so either Raikage would run circles around him.
 

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Basic manga intel means the 3rd doesn't know of Amateratsu. If Sasuke fires an Amateratsu at the Raikage's face, the match is over. If he has intel on Ama, then he is still prone to Sasuke's genjutsu that can be followed up with a ribcage hand that's releasing Enton. Either way, no counter to Amateratsu or Genjutsu means he has lost.
 

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Learn what keeping up with actually means. Dodging someone's strike isn't keeping up with them. Barely dodging someone's strike only means that you'll have issues repeatedly avoiding them when they start using shit like Shunshin to land their attacks first, nor do I care about Dodai reacting to the Third Raikage cause it doesn't even have any relevance to my main point, nor does it counter it. If Sasuke wants to play cat and mouse with someone who is faster on foot, with far more reflexive movements he can try, but it all ends with him getting shanked by Nukite. Zero difficulty. Enton Ribcage isn't going to save him from an extending spear of lightning.

Excuse me you said barely dodged im going to need more than just your salty word that he barely dodged it when sasuke casually dodged that elbow like it was any ole attack V1 is overrated for no reasons he has not shown any speed suggesting he can blitz sasuke as for your shunshin argument what stops Sasuke from using his own shunshin to dodge.
Sasuke does not need to play cat and mouse because amaterasu 1 shots or genjutsu and please please dont use that oh Ei was not caught in genjutsu or it took 5 madara clones to finally catch Ei because no why would Ei be looking anywhere near the clones eyes when he's fighting standing susanoo's. Also with the 3rd burning with amaterasu he would be reckless Genjutsu is 100% happening in these conditions. Also the ribcage with enton is for Sasuke to keep his mobility while smacking the 3rd around with his giant enton covered also if a v4 susanoo can allow the user to survive kirin witch is a much stronger attack then Nukite im not convince he can get through it at all.


Danzo got hit and his arm was up. It didn't even hit his arm, so no, not the same thing.

This hole post is a struggle just give up on your shitty arm argument. first you try to explain why danzo putting his arm up was useless because it didnt hit his arm your actually proven my point the 3rd can put his arm up but amaterasu will hit majority of his body just like it did danzo now hush and give up that argument also what give's the raikage the reaction time to react to a jutsu that can be used GG 3rd.




Lol, Izanagi caused him to vanish, he didn't get burnt up within seconds.
Linear? Irrelevant. Go tell that to V1 Ay vs. 5 Madara clones, who only got him in Genjutsu the moment he was distracted and immobilized.

The izanagi thing could have some truth to it. Tell me again why would he be focusing on the Madara's eye's when he fighting 5 susanoo that are mobile.
 

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Basic manga intel means the 3rd doesn't know of Amateratsu. If Sasuke fires an Amateratsu at the Raikage's face, the match is over. If he has intel on Ama, then he is still prone to Sasuke's genjutsu that can be followed up with a ribcage hand that's releasing Enton. Either way, no counter to Amateratsu or Genjutsu means he has lost.

Ay had intel on Amaterasu during his fight with Sasuke, so basic manga intel means that he understands the basic mechanics behind the black flames (this doesn't mean he is aware of Sasuke's enton variants).
 

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Excuse me you said barely dodged im going to need more than just your salty word that he barely dodged it when sasuke casually dodged that elbow like it was any ole attack V1 is overrated for no reasons he has not shown any speed suggesting he can blitz sasuke

I'm not salty, I'm just stating facts. He narrowly evaded that. That's a fact.

Never said that V1 Ay can blitz Sasuke. Lol.

as for your shunshin argument what stops Sasuke from using his own shunshin to dodge.
Nothing. Never even said Sasuke gets blitzed, I said he isn't going to evade the Raikage for the whole match, not happening. Not when he's slower.

S
asuke does not need to play cat and mouse because amaterasu 1 shots
He takes Amaterasu and kills Sasuke with Nukite. Amaterasu didn't burn the Samurai, or the V1 Bijuu cloak. Not hurting the Raikage, at least not long before Sasuke's already been killed.

or genjutsu and please please dont use that oh Ei was not caught in genjutsu or it took 5 madara clones to finally catch Ei because no why would Ei be looking anywhere near the clones eyes when he's fighting standing susanoo's.
Why would Madara being in Susanoo somehow inhibit them from making eye contact with him? Lol. That argument is perfectly valid.

Also with the 3rd burning with amaterasu he would be reckless
It can't even hurt him. No reason for him to be reckless.

Genjutsu is 100% happening in these conditions
Uh, no, it's not.

Also the ribcage with enton is for Sasuke to keep his mobility while smacking the 3rd around with his giant enton covered also if a v4 susanoo can allow the user to survive kirin witch is a much stronger attack then Nukite im not convince he can get through it at all.
Lol. Ribcage Susanoo has no strength feats that lead me to believe it can overpower someone who can tangle with a Bijuu. Nor can it even hurt him. Nukite saws it off like a hot knife through butter.

Lol. Not only is Kirin not much stronger than Nukite is. Nukite>FRS. Ribcage got raped by Ay's chops and Liger Bomb. Nukite runs right through it. If you are trying to argue otherwise I suggest you just stop here before you start sounding sillier than you already do. If you are referring to V4 Susanoo, that's obviously restricted here. This is the Sasuke that fought Ay, meaning he only has a Ribcage.



This hole post is a struggle just give up on your shitty arm argument. first you try to explain why danzo putting his arm up was useless because it didnt hit his arm your actually proven my point the 3rd can put his arm up but amaterasu will hit majority of his body just like it did danzo now hush and give up that argument also what give's the raikage the reaction time to react to a jutsu that can be used GG 3rd.

Except Danzo didn't put his arm up to block the flame. No attempt was made to block the flame. He has Izanagi. Zero reason to put up his arm to block something that is going to burn him and kill him anyway, especially when he's going to come right back from it. So no, I haven't proven your point, nor have you proven your own point. Danzo failing to block doesn't mean anything when he didn't try to block it.

-Sees Sasuke's eye bleeding.

-Lifts arm.

-Amaterasu hits his arm.

He doesn't need to react to the jutsu when he knows it's coming before it's used.

It's crazy how you clowns are arguing for Sasuke's victory, when he canonically almost died against Ay, who is not as strong as his father.



The izanagi thing could have some truth to it. Tell me again why would he be focusing on the Madara's eye's when he fighting 5 susanoo that are mobile.[/QUOTE]
 

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Ay had intel on Amaterasu during his fight with Sasuke, so basic manga intel means that he understands the basic mechanics behind the black flames (this doesn't mean he is aware of Sasuke's enton variants).

Ay is not the 3rd Raikage, so I don't get how you cam to that conclusion. You are either giving him basic intel which means no knowledge of something till proven, or you are giving him fan-fic intel. Either way, he won't be capable of stopping Amateratsu when it hits his body or head. He can only cover one part of himself, his head or body. No reason for me to think he can fight normally when his body (or head) is on fire. Ay was simply a better match-up for Sasuke either way.
 

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At best they both will die.

Raikage ain't escaping Amaterasu.

 

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It's crazy that the guy with no real argument is always the one to say this. I'm still waiting for you to prove that he put his guard up against an attack that can't hurt him. Also, "Just because he didn't want to die if it wasn't needed".
So your denying his arm was up before hand?

Really now? Just saw that quote. If it had hit his arm it would have burnt him and Izanagi would have activated regardless.
I never said it wouldn't....


Uh, what are you talking about? Why would his arm be fully extended? If Sasuke charges at him to touch the flame, the Raikage responds by cutting him with Nukite. It can't get simpler than that.
Because once he see Sasuke rushes him he strikes with his linear attack and Sasuke dodges then proceed to manipulate enton on his face...

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Once again. Scans of them reacting to the Raikage's speed please? All I see is a stationary Raikage tanking their attack.




The fact SM Naruto is more reflexive than MS Sasuke. The fact that he doesn't have anything remotely close to Rasengan to let him pull this off, and the fact that he only needs 3 Fingered Nukite to kill Sasuke, and that is too weak to hurt the Raikage.
I showed scans they hit him before they were blitzed... More reflexive? There about the same in speed plus SM Naruto hasn't shown no better striking speed that MS Sasuke... What makes you think 3finger nukit can pierce a Susanoo?

Also like Apex said how would the 3rd Raikage even know what Amaterasu is let alone know where to accurately block?


He has none. I constantly stress to people that Obitos movement and fight speeds are slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle in Kamui land. All he did against Naruto, Bee, Gai, and Kakashi was phase through all their attacks. Thats not movement or fight speed and people seem extremely unaware of that and think hes "as fast" as any of those characters (which he is not) and can "keep up" with those characters. We already seen his own physical movements and reactions and it ended up in Kakashi beating him, blitzing a whole in his chest with Raikiri so either Raikage would run circles around him.
Obito was in a very close speed battle with Minato somone who is much faster than Ei... KM Naruto couldn't land a touch on Obito as well... All Kakashi did was kick Obito back that doesn't mean he faster gtfoh... and Praise Hiruzen...
 
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