[VS] 3rd raikage vs Minato

[Blunt]

Third Raikage takes this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry but I didn't get you. Did you said that 3rd in base is more durable than 4th in his armor? If so,then I would like u to prove it.

With the armor (Which enhances durability) Ay got pierced by Chidori, while his father took FRS with no damage, and it required Nukite to pierce him. Meaning the gap between their durability is the gap between Chidori and Nukite or FRS, meaning that Base 3rd is much more durable than Ay. Give Ay his armor, and he still can't take a Chidori, meaning the armor's boost isn't equal to the gap between Chidori and Nukite, meaning that Armored Ay isn't as durable as his father, w/ or w/o the armor.

Not to mention he took a combined Cast Net, with little injury.

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While Chidori breached Ay's armor, and left a wound.

Base 3rd>Armored Ay when it comes to durability.

 

[A v i]

You are merely overcomplicating this because you refuse to agree with the common belief. Ay has neer shown such an idiotic strategy of activating and deactivating, now would the Sandaime. So the Sandaime can now keep dodging attacks for three days straight, sounds much less plausible then not having his v1 activated the entirety of the time. You make him seem like he has some sort of Byakugan to know when he should defend against attacks from behind.
Stop comparing Edo Madara to the Sandaime, jesus. Madara has the precognition and speed required to do so, especially when it's only for a minute or so.. Three days, on the other hand...

There is nothing wrong with saving your chakra given that he was up against whole army. Ay often deactivates his armor during battles and you can see this in all of his battles.

He don't have to be a dojutsu user to overpower fodders and he has other means such as black lightining to deal with multiple opponents. I have already told you that he might have use it was necessary as I admit the fact that it is impossible to dodge all of attacks against an army. He don't have to keep during entire fight.Simple as that.

Where did I mention that? Anyways, learn to read the main points rather than nit pick the one's you can think of a half assed counter to. Your logic is flawed and your points are all based on blind faith. I have no reason to further respond to your fallacious argumentations.

Sorry, My bad. I mean 1000 not 10K and here is where you said it.

@Bold: I feel the same.

As an edo, with a sharingan to predict movements, genjutsu, etc. for a few moments versus Sandaime with a shroud for 3 days. Otherwise, by your very own logic, Sandaime can do more with much less. Yes they do, 1000 katons hitting you in the course of a day is sure to take a massive toll on you no matter what. Heck, Raikage might as well have slept in his fight with them for 3 days, and only have lost due to nutritional deprivation, since his base body remains the same when asleep or awake. Anyways, what you are saying is that the Sandaime can survive attacks with his base body for 3 days straight. That would mean you are granting him even greater endurance, thus Minato cannot even damage base Sandaime at this point (your hypothetical flawed logic).

Stop with these half-decent arguments, if anything they are giving the Sandaime even more strength in this fight.

With the armor (Which enhances durability) Ay got pierced by Chidori, while his father took FRS with no damage, and it required Nukite to pierce him. Meaning the gap between their durability is the gap between Chidori and Nukite or FRS, meaning that Base 3rd is much more durable than Ay. Give Ay his armor, and he still can't take a Chidori, meaning the armor's boost isn't equal to the gap between Chidori and Nukite, meaning that Armored Ay isn't as durable as his father, w/ or w/o the armor.

Not to mention he took a combined Cast Net, with little injury.

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While Chidori breached Ay's armor, and left a wound.

Base 3rd>Armored Ay when it comes to durability.

Sorry but I can't accept this logic. Chidori and FRS are 2 different attacks and their mechanics are totally different so your analogy won't prove anything. thinking 3rd in base is more durable than his son in armor is simply laughable if u ask me. I don't think Kunai can end base Raikage either but it can surely hurt him and same goes for Rasengan so multiple attacks should be able to end him.

 

[Oblivionx]

The simple fact that Ay is nowhere near as durable means that you can't say "Since Ay was going to get cut by a Kunai, the 3rd will as well". I suggest you prove how Minato can actually hurt him even though he tanked something much stronger than a Kunai slash, then we can talk.

k let me debunk it for you in simple terms... Ay in his armor was hit with chidori and it just touched his body, right?
hell stab is a jutsu just like chidori, naruto even commented on it (if memory serves me right, that it's just like chidori and raikiri) though i'll admit that it's stronger than chidori... but we all know hell stab pierced raikage and defeated him, right? now tell how much more powerful hell stab is than chidori or raikiri? twice may be? but then chidori just touched Ay while hell stab defeated 3rd.. do the math...

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XD lol how desperate are you... showing a scan of FRS cutting a rock... shinobis can do that with bare hands... kakashi did it in cannon with a raikiri kunai with many rocks.. remember chidori failed to pierce while minato's kunai can.... if you think rationally without keeping minato's kunai feats in mind, it would have been plausible that minato can not damage 3rd but his feats exceed piercing power of chidori, meaning it's near to hell stab if not completely equal...

FRS not cutting Madara in half doesn't change the fact that FRS is a cutting jutsu. Chidori failed to pierce Ay, I guess that its not a piercing jutsu anymore. FRS not cutting him in half means that he wasn't able to cut him in half with the jutsu's power. Sasuke cut Madara with his Chidori Katana, not with a regular sword.

lol that's my argument, chidori is a piercing jutsu yet failed while minato can do it with his kunai... and about chidori katana, i know but so? it was still just a katana which by no means even compare to FRS as an attack, let alone mega FRS... still cut more than FRS... just like kunai will cut more than FRS...

FRS cuts as shown above, and the wind needles pierce into the opponents skin and destroys their cells.
Slap yourself, hop off Minato's tip, and then go to sleep...and try not to have any fanboyish dreams while you're at it.

haha... yeah it's cuts chakra networks which is invisible and on cellular level, but did you see kakazu in pieces? pain in pieces? any shinobi that got hit in war in pieces? anobody got a hole in chest with FRS?
no... so chidori has more piercing power than FRS and hell stab has more piercing power than chidori and minato's kunai also has more piercing power than chidori... now i hope you are not that dumb...

Lol, you speak as if Minato can harm him even without his armor. Base 3rd Raikage is more durable than Ay even with his armor, and Chidori didn't even hurt him. Rasengan isn't doing anything, neither is a Kunai.

So if its not normal for Minato to use the Elder Toad Sages, Raikage outlasts him.

lastly all raikages are pretty durable, check their physical appearance... that's why they are taijutsu fighters... and i am admitting that 3rd is more durable than 4th but you stating that 3rd without armor > 4th in durability is not even funny...
Good night... you need some sleep...

 

[KidGamer65]

k let me debunk it for you in simple terms... Ay in his armor was hit with chidori and it just touched his body, right?

Yup.

hell stab is a jutsu just like chidori, naruto even commented on it (if memory serves me right, that it's just like chidori and raikiri) though i'll admit that it's stronger than chidori... but we all know hell stab pierced raikage and defeated him, right? now tell how much more powerful hell stab is than chidori or raikiri? twice may be? but then chidori just touched Ay while hell stab defeated 3rd.. do the math...

Lol, the simple fact that Nukite is above Raikiri, which is above Chidori is also another fact that shits on this retarded ass analogy you are trying to set up. The 3rd being finished by a stronger attack doesn't mean that he's near Ay's level when it comes to durability.

4 Fingered Nukite is around the same level as Chidori. The number increases every time he decreases the amount of fingers in use. 3 is stronger than Chidori let alone 1, which is much stronger. The difference is irrelevant as its a fact that its large.

Ay was harmed by Chidori. His father tanked FRS. There is literally no comparison when it comes to durability. Anyone who can read the manga would know this.

XD lol how desperate are you... showing a scan of FRS cutting a rock... shinobis can do that with bare hands... kakashi did it in cannon with a raikiri kunai with many rocks.. remember chidori failed to pierce while minato's kunai can.... if you think rationally without keeping minato's kunai feats in mind, it would have been plausible that minato can not damage 3rd but his feats exceed piercing power of chidori, meaning it's near to hell stab if not completely equal...

It cut the rock, meaning its a cutting attack. Shinobi don't cut rocks of that size with their bare hands. They either use jutsu, or if they use their hands, they break it. That is a clean cut. Its not my fault if reading the manga is impossible for you.

Kakashi pierced through them with a Kunai. He didn't cut them. Piercing isn't cutting in case you didn't know.

What kind of half assed logic is this?

1. Minato's only Kunai feat is apparently being able to pierce through Ay's neck/back with his special Kunai, and cutting Hachibi's tentacle (Small one) while making a small crater from the force.

2. Minato's Kunai Swing being able to penetrate deeper than Chidori (If that is even true) doesn't mean that its stronger than Nukite. Lol, are we not using logic cause its Minato we are talking about? Or do we not use logic at all? All that would prove is that its stronger than Chidori. For your logic to make any sense whatsoever, Chidori would have to equal Nukite, which is obviously false as the guy with much superior durability was run through by Nukite while the guy with inferior durability was harmed by Chidori.

Nukite>>>>Raikiri>Minato's Kunai Swing (Skeptical on this)>Chidori

lol that's my argument, chidori is a piercing jutsu yet failed while minato can do it with his kunai... and about chidori katana, i know but so? it was still just a katana which by no means even compare to FRS as an attack, let alone mega FRS... still cut more than FRS... just like kunai will cut more than FRS...

Raiton enhanced Katana>Katana. FRS was so big that it couldn't put all of its cutting power (as only a fraction of the wind blade hit Madara) while the more focused Chidori Katana (enhanced with Rikudo's power) cut him. When the FRS exploded, it cut the Shinju and blew most of Madara's midsection off. Far above any version of Chidori when it comes to output.

That doesn't mean a Kunai is going to pierce the 3rd Raikage when FRS failed to damage him, when Nukite was needed to pierce him.

haha... yeah it's cuts chakra networks which is invisible and on cellular level, but did you see kakazu in pieces? pain in pieces? any shinobi that got hit in war in pieces? anobody got a hole in chest with FRS?

When the Wind Shuriken hit them it cut them. Example?

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Kakuzu didn't get hit by the Wind Shuriken, only the explosion, and it was an incomplete Rasen Shuriken. No Shinobi besides the 3rd Raikage got hit by FRS's Wind Shuriken, and the 3rd was durable enough to tank it. And why the hell would anyone get a hole in their chest? It cuts. It doesn't pierce. Learn the difference.

no... so chidori has more piercing power than FRS and hell stab has more piercing power than chidori and minato's kunai also has more piercing power than chidori... now i hope you are not that dumb...

Chidori having more piercing power than FRS (Which doesn't even pierce to begin with) doesn't mean that its the stronger jutsu. Now I hope that you aren't dumb enough to actually imply that Chidori outputs more energy in that one spot than FRS does on his whole body, cause then I wouldn't be able to take you seriously.

FRS is leagues above Chidori, and the Raikage tanked it. Ay being near him in durability is idiotic. Especially when Wind is his Raiton Armor's weakness, meaning its even easier for weaker wind jutsu to accomplish what stronger jutsu that aren't of that element, can't do.

lastly all raikages are pretty durable, check their physical appearance... that's why they are taijutsu fighters... and i am admitting that 3rd is more durable than 4th but you stating that 3rd without armor > 4th in durability is not even funny...

Them all being durable doesn't mean that they are all equal in durability. You can cry about my statement, backed with manga fact, or you can counter.

Good night... you need some sleep...

You've claimed that a Kunai swing from Minato will hurt the Raikage even though it took Nukite to pierce him, even though his son pretty much tanked Chidori, and even though he tanked FRS. You've claimed that Minato's Kunai Swing is near the power of Nukite and I need some sleep?

Stop wanking to Minato. Its disgusting.

Sorry but I can't accept this logic. Chidori and FRS are 2 different attacks and their mechanics are totally different so your analogy won't prove anything. thinking 3rd in base is more durable than his son in armor is simply laughable if u ask me. I don't think Kunai can end base Raikage either but it can surely hurt him and same goes for Rasengan so multiple attacks should be able to end him.

Then we have this tard.

Chidori and FRS being two different attacks isn't a counter argument. Unless you think Chidori is close enough to FRS in power, that it can piece him while focused despite FRS failing, my argument stands. If you do think that, then you'd be a moron since FRS is tiers above Chidori in strength.

Not to mention I posted scans of Cast Net not doing anything to him, and I used Nukite (same type of attack as Chidori) for my analogy, so now you are just straight up ignoring evidence so you can continue wanking to Minato.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The simple fact that Ay is nowhere near as durable means that you can't say "Since Ay was going to get cut by a Kunai, the 3rd will as well". I suggest you prove how Minato can actually hurt him even though he tanked something much stronger than a Kunai slash, then we can talk.



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FRS not cutting Madara in half doesn't change the fact that FRS is a cutting jutsu. Chidori failed to pierce Ay, I guess that its not a piercing jutsu anymore. FRS not cutting him in half means that he wasn't able to cut him in half with the jutsu's power. Sasuke cut Madara with his Chidori Katana, not with a regular sword.

FRS cuts as shown above, and the wind needles pierce into the opponents skin and destroys their cells.

Slap yourself, hop off Minato's tip, and then go to sleep...and try not to have any fanboyish dreams while you're at it.



Lol, you speak as if Minato can harm him even without his armor. Base 3rd Raikage is more durable than Ay even with his armor, and Chidori didn't even hurt him. Rasengan isn't doing anything, neither is a Kunai.

So if its not normal for Minato to use the Elder Toad Sages, Raikage outlasts him.

imma need proof of the bold.

 

[KidGamer65]

imma need proof of the bold.

Already posted it.

With the armor (Which enhances durability) Ay got pierced by Chidori, while his father took FRS with no damage, and it required Nukite to pierce him. Meaning the gap between their durability is the gap between Chidori and Nukite or FRS, meaning that Base 3rd is much more durable than Ay. Give Ay his armor, and he still can't take a Chidori, meaning the armor's boost isn't equal to the gap between Chidori and Nukite, meaning that Armored Ay isn't as durable as his father, w/ or w/o the armor.

Not to mention he took a combined Cast Net, with little injury.

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While Chidori breached Ay's armor, and left a wound.

Base 3rd>Armored Ay when it comes to durability.

 

[Bogard]

Minato wins. He is faster than A who is faster than Raikage, so he is never hiting him, especially with hiraishin. After tagging 3rd Raikage he will have to find a way to get through his hard skin though. But considering summoning is not restricted it's safe to assume when nothing will work(assuming his hyped but sadly not shown rasen senkou chourinbu kousanshiki isn't strong enough), he will summon Pa and Ma and their genjutsu will finish 3rd Raikage. All i know is the 3rd isn't winning

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato wins mid diff.

Frog genjutsu.

assuming his hyped but sadly not shown rasen senkou chourinbu kousanshiki

If it's any consolation I think he uses it in the new Naruto game.

 

[Bogard]

Minato wins mid diff.

Frog genjutsu.



If it's any consolation I think he uses it in the new Naruto game.

Unless Kishi was involved in the game, it's no consolation U_U
But to be fair i wasn't really that sad considering i never had hope to see it in the first place after the Kaguya thing

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Unless Kishi was involved in the game, it's no consolation U_U
But to be fair i wasn't really that sad considering i never had hope to see it in the first place after the Kaguya thing

I think he is.

They don't follow the anime 100%.

The last game had some anime spoilers, so either they read the manga or kishi was involved.

 

[Bogard]

I think he is.

They don't follow the anime 100%.

The last game had some anime spoilers, so either they read the manga or kishi was involved.

Link or i don't believe you U_U

Anyway i think it should look like this

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[wael reda]

saying minato’s kunai can go through v1 ay just because minato intended to do so ,is totally a fanfiction
sasuke intended to go through it with chidori but failed ,naruto intended to beat third raikage by FRS but failed ,madara thought jiubi’s lightening storm can kill allience shinobi with chakra cloacks but he was wrong
this logic doesnt work

cutting through tiny hachbi’s tail doesnt mean anything ,obito*s shrukens cut some of full hachibi’s tails

also third raikage durability is overrated ,he was quite damaged by temari’s futon and naruto’s FRS ,if he was alive not EDO ,these injures should have ended him

also kidgammer ,you need to prove that the hell stab is stronger than raiki

Raiden (one of raiki varients)was able to cut through v2 cloack arms easily ,v2 cloack tanked 6 tailed kiuybi’s biju doma in pain arc

kusongai which was said to be painful to even transformed Enma couldnt go through v2 cloack

ot:minato wins by ma and pa ’s sound ginjutsu

 

[makosheva7]

He has no intel tho'... Minato has never done that before, and if he somehow does this in a fight, I'm sure he would need to know about the person. Third Raikage would just outlast him, in a regular fight. ​

Doesn't really matter whether Minato has intel or not. Magen: Gama Rinshō deactivates his shroud

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, and while he's vulnerable, multiple Senpō: Rasengan's kill him.​

What's with all the Captain Levi avatars lately?

 

[Octprime]

firstly, its minato with sm, nt jst d ordinary minato.....
his very intelligent, his 1st two missed attacks on 3rd raikage is enough for him to figure out raikage's weakness
and him being outlasted, since its sm, he has nature energy added to his chakra....
plus bein sensory ninja, d sm just enhances his senses further.....
mehn..... minato takes this low difficulty..............with no scratch

 

[pateuvasiliu]

saying minato’s kunai can go through v1 ay just because minato intended to do so ,is totally a fanfiction
sasuke intended to go through it with chidori but failed

Chidori is lightning.

Lightning on lightning does next to nothing.

Minato's kunai went through Bee's tentacles.

 

[A v i]

Then we have this tard.

Real tard is someone who gets mad over silly things.hmm

Stop spouting unrelated nonsense.

Chidori and FRS being two different attacks isn't a counter argument. Unless you think Chidori is close enough to FRS in power, that it can piece him while focused despite FRS failing, my argument stands. If you do think that, then you'd be a moron since FRS is tiers above Chidori in strength.

And you think FRS being stronger than Chidori is a good argument coz you think so? They works with different principles and are used in different ways. FRS being stronger means nothing here. unlike FRS, Chidori is focused at single poing and is better than FRS when it comes to piercing which is why it managed to touch Raikages body. I hope you would stop using FRS as an argument now.

Not to mention I posted scans of Cast Net not doing anything to him,

Cast net did considerable damage to his body. Look at EDO tensei wrappers around his body in

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I can clearly see a big ass scare on his body in your next

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(bottom right panel) in which he was being regenarated and I don't get why you think it didn't damaged him. Only god can tell why your eyes can't see this.

I used Nukite (same type of attack as Chidori) for my analogy, so now you are just straight up ignoring evidence.

Chidori barely touched 4th when he was in his armor where as Nukite managed to easily pierce through his armor as well as his body means that weaker attack than nukite and stronger than Chidori can damage 3rd which in turn proves that the gap b/w their defences is somewhere b/w Chidori and Nukite. Regarless, It won't prove that base 3rd is more durable than 4th with armor.It helps you to prove that 3rd has much stronger defence than 4th.

so you can continue wanking to Minato.

Do you even know the meaning of wanking? I don't remember posting anything that makes Minato look better than what he is actually capable of. I was just trying to prove that Raikages body isn't as durable as you claim and it means wanking Minato in your school? Lmao, plz try to stop this nonsense.hmm
If you are going to continue bashing me just because I don't agree with you then I would suggest you to stop posting rep to me as I'll simply ignore you if you repeat this. Also, It'll save you some time.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Never said he'll be hit.​

Nice straws grasp. Show me a scan of that all-powerful Jutsu, I'll wait. Minato will keep teleporting as the Raikage proceeds to attack him, and teleporting cost him Chakra. Doesn't matter how big or small, it's the only way to exhaust him.​

Drop him inside oil, and what's next? Nothing. Why? Because Raikage doesn't get hurt by Minato's pity attacks.​

How am I greasing at straws, I quoted exactly what minato said in the manga. "Hitting the opponent with consecutive attacks without leaving them time to react". We already already know it involves continually teleporting around a circle of 6 kunai, so obviously he teleports around the ring of kunai, either continually slashing them or smashing consecutive rasengan at them. All the evidence is there in the manga and in the name you just have to peace it together.

You have no clue what toad oil does to a person do you? XD

 

[KidGamer65]

Real tard is someone who gets mad over silly things.hmm

Stop spouting unrelated nonsense.

Me calling you a tard doesn't mean I'm mad, it means you are a tard. Lol.

And you think FRS being stronger than Chidori is a good argument coz you think so? They works with different principles and are used in different ways. FRS being stronger means nothing here. unlike FRS, Chidori is focused at single poing and is better than FRS when it comes to piercing which is why it managed to touch Raikages body. I hope you would stop using FRS as an argument now.

Tanking a stronger attack means you have more durability than someone who got hurt by the weaker attack. When you can prove that Chidori focuses more energy than FRS outputs altogether, then we can talk about his feat being invalid. Until then, I'd have to ask you to stop using this half assed logic. Chidori and Rasengan are equal in output, but Chidori focuses that output on one spot, thus it'd do more damage to Ay than Rasengan does. That is where your logic works. Your logic becomes utter garbage when we start talking about jutsu levels above Chidori. If I used this logic, we'd be saying shit like Ay can tank Bijuu Dama, and the third can tank Bijuu Dama because Chidori penetrates while Bijuu Dama doesn't, despite Bijuu Dama being leagues above Chidori when it comes to power.

I hope you stop using "Different attack" as some kind of valid argument. Cause its not.

Chidori barely touched 4th when he was in his armor where as Nukite managed to easily pierce through his armor as well as his body means that weaker attack than nukite and stronger than Chidori can damage 3rd which in turn proves that the gap b/w their defences is somewhere b/w Chidori and Nukite.


Regarless, It won't prove that base 3rd is more durable than 4th with armor.It helps you to prove that 3rd has much stronger defence than 4th.

Already explained why. This is just you outright ignoring evidence. Where is a reply to my Cast Net example? Oh wait, you are just ignoring more evidence. Them being between Nukite and Chidori doesn't help your argument, nor does it hinder mine.

If you aren't going to reply to all of my post, then I'll just accept your concession.

 

[A v i]

Me calling you a tard doesn't mean I'm mad, it means you are a tard. Lol.

Edited my post and See,My last statement.

I know you are stubborn as hell so I guess I should simply ignore you.

If you aren't going to reply to all of my post, then I'll just accept your concession.

See my prv post again.hmm