3 Tomoe Itachi vs Hiashi Hyuga

[shelke]

What da hell :lol Rasengan is acme/pinnacle of Chakra manipulation which is itself CC

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FRS and Chidori/Raikiri requires both CC and element explained by kakashi.Thus they are even higher CC

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\\@bold Minato couldn't even create FRS but naruto did

:lol naruto failed to break Ephemeral despite being trained in breaking 3T genjutsu and hiashi breaks it despite having les stats than naruto in genjutsu

Literally what i was saying
@bold u know gate user itself are suceptible to genjutsu thus Maito gai devised his strtegy to fight sharingan users
and by bold You are directly implying Byakugou user and Sage mode users are immune to genjutsu which is not the case

Sasuke has 4 and using Cursed mark aka senjutsu increases power of his genjutsu


Becoz he literally states it himself


how does this disapprove the fact he blocked his eyesight

Did u forget kabuto has Sage Mode aka one of the highest lvl of sensing in the manga
read the first panel why kabuto was able to fight with them despite blocking his eyesight [

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Agreed
why wont the same happen with hiashi


Only if Hiashi blocks his eyesight like kabuto did thus leaving him with no vision

It's one half of the equation of shape manipulation that doesn't include nature manipulation. FRS is the full tech. Controlling one half, and that too with a bazillion clones, does not make an expert out of a man.

Look above.

Because Sharingan genjutsu requires eye-contact and is unbreakable by the user himself. It always requires a two man rule. Look at Deidara, he trained his eye and fell for it twice anyway.

Nothing indicates CS2 being used for any of Sasuke's techs. He never used black chidori even once in part II while still being in that state. So, that's a moot point. The databook also backs it up that he broke Tsukuyomi through training rather than any extra enhancement.

So, what am I saying? Blocking can be done with anything. Put a hand in front of your eye and your vision is blocked. He did it with his lids.

Hiashi has far better CC, which means I can give him the benefit of the doubt here. Did he even train properly? He doesn't seem to have any talent at all in CC, to be honest. Making mass thousands upon thousands of clones and amassing their experience and STILL not making FRS with a single hand at the end is a telling tale of his incompetence. Again, that stat is for apptitide. Just like every other stat. No idea how you are suggesting that it means "to break Genjutsu."

For instance, Sasuke had a 5 in Ninjutsu, because of his CC and ninjutsu versatility. That doesn't mean that that stat will factor in his ninjutsu being fared against another's in battle. That makes no sense at all. Also, these stats are not to be compared at all. They show a character's individual growth.

Obviously, never claimed he didn't. That doesn't mean that blocking cannot be factored in here.

Why? With lids closed and X-ray (or whatever it is called) being used, they are not using light to make their eyes function. I cannot see how it would even work.

 

[Draegod]

Shelke you're wasting your time. Didn't read the previous pages to waste mine either. But The Byakugan will always know a Genjutus would be attempt betor it is executed. They see chakra build up, chakra builds up to the eye. He will know to either fight with eyes closed or slightly look away thus avoiding eye to eye contact (which sharingan needs except KA). That would make the failed attempt at charging and releasing chakra a waste of time.

Or simply fight with the eyes constantly staring downwards while seeing everything perfectly to begin with. Oh wait, thats the same as fighting with the eye's closed since they see everything at all times. **Shocking** A sharingan user catching a elite Hyuga in visual genjutsu is the biggest joke since day one.

Too many clueless users know nothing about the Byakugan it's funny that they try to argue against it when they know nothing to even put up a decent argument.

 

[BLAZE]

It's one half of the equation of shape manipulation that doesn't include nature manipulation. FRS is the full tech. Controlling one half, and that too with a bazillion clones, does not make an expert out of a man.

Look above.

Becoz

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Did he even train properly? He doesn't seem to have any talent at all in CC, to be honest.Making mass thousands upon thousands of clones and amassing their experience and STILL not making FRS with a single hand at the end is a telling tale of his incompetence.

created FRS is enough.You can deny all u want and give fanfic feats to hiashi
THe fact remains

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Because Sharingan genjutsu requires eye-contact and is unbreakable by the user himself. It always requires a two man rule. Look at Deidara, he trained his eye and fell for it twice anyway.

Don't Joke Orochimaru was about break it the reason Itachi cut his arm.You can clearly see him trying to make handseal

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Even Part 1 Kurenai broke his genjutsu reversal casted by 3T sharingan

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KEKKEI GENKAI; Genjutsu; Magen: Kyou Tenchi Ten (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Universe-Mirroring Reversal)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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One decrypts a genjutsu that has been applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu with identical effects onto the opponent!! It's a form of illusion reversal, but in order to instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in return, the Sharingan's power is necessary. As genjutsu is initially used to confuse the enemy, this technique which sends it right back to its caster deals a high amount of mental damage, more than anything else. Every half-baked genjutsu will fall prey to the mirror that is Sharingan!!

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-The mechanics of a false image is duplicated by these eyes, its effects largely turned back onto the enemy!!

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-Conditions such as the presence or not of a Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of both casters play a great part when operating this jutsu.

-Thanks to the Sharingan's power, Itachi uses a similar technique.

Nothing indicates CS2 being used for any of Sasuke's techs. He never used black chidori even once in part II while still being in that state. So, that's a moot point. The databook also backs it up that he broke Tsukuyomi through training rather than any extra enhancement.

Curse seal is senjutsu

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The reason Sauke's Senjutsu fuelled katon overwhelmed Itachi's :lol

So, what am I saying? Blocking can be done with anything. Put a hand in front of your eye and your vision is blocked. He did it with his lids.

yeah and the point is kabuto blocked his eyesight aka no ocualr contact direct or indirect

Hiashi has far better CC, which means I can give him the benefit of the doubt here.

How :lol Becoz he has good CC as a hyuga mean he is obviously better than naruto :lol not better but far better :lol So Neji is better than SM Naruto too huh

Again, that stat is for apptitide.Just like every other stat.

So according to u naruto has worse CC than hiashi but better stats in genjutsu becoz he has aptitude despite jiraiya clearly stating he is not genjutsu type

No idea how you are suggesting that it means "to break Genjutsu."

Becoz a medic nin and genjutsu user could not.
Hiashi has shown nothing special except Good CC which naruto already had when he mastered FRS
CC is just aprt of breaking genjutsu it does not make him automatically able to break genjutsu

For instance, Sasuke had a 5 in Ninjutsu, because of his CC and ninjutsu versatility. That doesn't mean that that stat will factor in his ninjutsu being fared against another's in battle. That makes no sense at all. Also, these stats are not to be compared at all. They show a character's individual growth.

exactly hiashi is far behind likes of Hinata in genjutsu.He ain't breaking shit

Why? With lids closed and X-ray (or whatever it is called) being used, they are not using light to make their eyes function. I cannot see how it would even work.

Becoz ocular contact still exists.Kabuto specifically and blantaly stated he blocked his eyesight.

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Too many clueless users know nothing about the Byakugan it's funny that they try to argue against it when they know nothing to even put up a decent argument.

The nano bombs weren't even smaller then Blood cells let alone the Ten' points as seen when inside his veins.

inb4 moans about My un changes

Whose genjutsu are we talking about here again.He was wanked by a Byakugan user and captain of sensor division.But ioh wait having 2 in genjutsu makes who very adept against it

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[shelke]

Becoz

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created FRS is enough.You can deny all u want and give fanfic feats to hiashi
THe fact remains

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Don't Joke Orochimaru was about break it the reason Itachi cut his arm.You can clearly see him trying to make handseal

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Even Part 1 Kurenai broke his genjutsu reversal casted by 3T sharingan

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KEKKEI GENKAI; Genjutsu; Magen: Kyou Tenchi Ten (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Universe-Mirroring Reversal)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

Main text

One decrypts a genjutsu that has been applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu with identical effects onto the opponent!! It's a form of illusion reversal, but in order to instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in return, the Sharingan's power is necessary. As genjutsu is initially used to confuse the enemy, this technique which sends it right back to its caster deals a high amount of mental damage, more than anything else. Every half-baked genjutsu will fall prey to the mirror that is Sharingan!!

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-The mechanics of a false image is duplicated by these eyes, its effects largely turned back onto the enemy!!

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-Conditions such as the presence or not of a Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of both casters play a great part when operating this jutsu.

-Thanks to the Sharingan's power, Itachi uses a similar technique.

Curse seal is senjutsu

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The reason Sauke's Senjutsu fuelled katon overwhelmed Itachi's :lol

yeah and the point is kabuto blocked his eyesight aka no ocualr contact direct or indirect

How :lol Becoz he has good CC as a hyuga mean he is obviously better than naruto :lol not better but far better :lol So Neji is better than SM Naruto too huh



So according to u naruto has worse CC than hiashi but better stats in genjutsu becoz he has aptitude despite jiraiya clearly stating he is not genjutsu type

Becoz a medic nin and genjutsu user could not.
Hiashi has shown nothing special except Good CC which naruto already had when he mastered FRS
CC is just aprt of breaking genjutsu it does not make him automatically able to break genjutsu

He created FRS by amassing the clones experience. How many were they if I count all of them? Only several K clones from the looks of it and over fifty plus years of experience or something? His CC is bottom of the barrel tier. Don't even try to deny this as that is canon manga. It's because of Kurama that he is even able to make that many clones in the first place.

Kindly, prove it that he would have broken it. I'll wait for any scan, when Sasuke bested him with the same thing; and in his own dimension to boot. His own turf. Otherwise, it's hearsay and Chiyo and the databook's statements concerete facts.

So, she broke the "identical effects" of her own Genjutsu? What a great feat. What are you trying to say here? What does it have anything to do with regular Sharingan Genjutsu? Absolutely nothing.

I know what it is. Not really. Nothing indicates that he used it to fuel his Ninjutsu, when he used Chidori several times in full CS2 mode and it was never black. He had used a wing guard against the flames. It was still out. That is all there is to it.

Are you deliberately being immature? Better than SM Naruto in what way? Who cares about SM Naruto! Is he a part of this discussion? No? Then what's with this pointless reply?

So? Are you intentionally skipping the final paragraph I keep typing in about blocking the light; something Hyugas can do?

Blocked it with what? Christ riding a pink pony; he blocked light with his damn lids and his special cornea. How many times will this be repeated? Their ocular contact doesn't require light. It works on blocking the sight altogether. Sharingan isn't working here, that by canon manga logic, requires direct contact with a eye functioning on light.

Who stated that he's breaking 3T Genjutsu? I never even made such a claim.

Shelke you're wasting your time. Didn't read the previous pages to waste mine either. But The Byakugan will always know a Genjutus would be attempt betor it is executed. They see chakra build up, chakra builds up to the eye. He will know to either fight with eyes closed or slightly look away thus avoiding eye to eye contact (which sharingan needs except KA). That would make the failed attempt at charging and releasing chakra a waste of time.

Or simply fight with the eyes constantly staring downwards while seeing everything perfectly to begin with. Oh wait, that's the same as fighting with the eye's closed since they see everything at all times. **Shocking** A sharingan user catching a elite Hyuga in visual genjutsu is the biggest joke since day one.

Too many clueless users know nothing about the Byakugan it's funny that they try to argue against it when they know nothing to even put up a decent argument.

Let's not fight with each other. It's just a silly manga discussion. My main argument is on Byakugan being able to fight via closed lids. That should protect them against the Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

[Curse Mark]

Byakugan> eye genjutsu

 

[Claymantan]

It's really a wonder why more Hyuuga's don't just fight with blindfolds on

Just seems like a really useful practice

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Byakugan> eye genjutsu

No byakugan > Genjutsu in General
Because they are all broken the same way

 

[Icelerate]

Neji's chakra control was above ordinary jounins back in part one so Hiashi who is superior to part two Neji in chakra control should have chakra control far superior to early part two Naruto.

 

[neosmith500]

Neji's chakra control was above ordinary jounins back in part one so Hiashi who is superior to part two Neji in chakra control should have chakra control far superior to early part two Naruto.

This , facts.

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