3 Rinnegan Juubi Jin Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke

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Did I say he could to the extent that Kaguya could? Lol, if that was the case, wouldn't Kaguya be at full power as soon as she revived? Maybe I missed something, but I'm positive Madara has control of how much he absorbs.
Lol He can't do it at any extent. The moment he started getting chakra he started to swell up. Sure, they have control over how much is absorbed, but if he can't absorb enough to make a large enough difference, then using it is pointless.
 

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Lol He can't do it at any extent. The moment he started getting chakra he started to swell up. Sure, they have control over how much is absorbed, but if he can't absorb enough to make a large enough difference, then using it is pointless.
Point taken.

Though my main point is, Madara defeats them individually without PIS/CIS involved. By feats, he is soloed by either.
 

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He gets soloed by either based off of feats.

Actually everything suggests those CT weren't his full capacity, he implied this heavily. He called them raindrops, to further my point, he also only made them as a distraction to cast IT.

Going by what Madara "should be", he murders them both in a single 1v1. His arsenal is vast, his abilities would dwarf all of Nagato's with absolutely no trouble, he can also absorb power from IT victims.
The "raindrop" argument is not an incredible one. Madara isn't impressed by anything. When he became the Juubi Jinchuriki his reaction was "uh".
But the second part is a better argument. He may not have went all out due to it being a distraction, but we can't say how much bigger they could have been. And Naruto effortlessly destroyed them all anyway.

From what he "should be" maybe. Same can be said for a lot of people, namely Kaguya.
 

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He gets soloed by either based off of feats.

Actually everything suggests those CT weren't his full capacity, he implied this heavily. He called them raindrops, to further my point, he also only made them as a distraction to cast IT.

Going by what Madara "should be", he murders them both in a single 1v1. His arsenal is vast, his abilities would dwarf all of Nagato's with absolutely no trouble, he can also absorb power from IT victims.
The "raindrop" argument is not an incredible one. Madara isn't impressed by anything. When he became the Juubi Jinchuriki his reaction was "uh".
But the second part is a better argument. He may not have went all out due to it being a distraction, but we can't say how much bigger they could have been. And Naruto effortlessly destroyed them all anyway.

From what he "should be" maybe. Same can be said for a lot of people, namely Kaguya.
 

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He stomps 2 people that Kaguya couldn't stomp on her own? 2 people that have gained massive boosts since then?
Except those 2 people were actually 5 and no they would not have defeated her alone had Obito and Sakura not rescued Sasuke or Kakashi not become Ridoku hax.

Sasuke was canonicaly defeated, stuck in the desert and Naruto would have just lost to her. Both were dead from ash bone in gravity dimension until plot came in and they were rescued.

Madara is a jubi Jin and his Susano'o would be way more haxed than Sasukes. Sasuke merely took some of their chakra out of the CT cores but Madara is the beasts and holds all their powers. Since Madara have all the bijuus in this case and Sasuke just has PS, they stand little chance versus him, by portrayal that is. Of course by feats he loses this, since he has none.
 

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Except those 2 people were actually 5 and no they would not have defeated her alone had Obito and Sakura not rescued Sasuke or Kakashi not become Ridoku hax.
Never said they would have, I said that she couldn't stomp them. Fact. I said that she had to separate them because they were hard to deal with. Fact.

Sasuke was canonicaly defeated, stuck in the desert and Naruto would have just lost to her. Both were dead from ash bone in gravity dimension until plot came in and they were rescued.
Naruto was holding his own until she decided to get more serious than she was before.

Madara is a jubi Jin and his Susano'o would be way more haxed than Sasukes. Sasuke merely took some of their chakra out of the CT cores but Madara is the beasts and holds all their powers. Since Madara have all the bijuus in this case and Sasuke just has PS, they stand little chance versus him, by portrayal that is. Of course by feats he loses this, since he has none.
Not really. Madara has Rikudo Senjutsu boosting his Susanoo while Sasuke has Rikudo's Yin Chakra and the Bijuu's chakra inside his Susanoo. There is no comparison between their Susanoo. None at all.
 

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The "raindrop" argument is not an incredible one. Madara isn't impressed by anything. When he became the Juubi Jinchuriki his reaction was "uh".
But the second part is a better argument. He may not have went all out due to it being a distraction, but we can't say how much bigger they could have been. And Naruto effortlessly destroyed them all anyway.

From what he "should be" maybe. Same can be said for a lot of people, namely Kaguya.
The raindrops argument is pretty credible, Madara not being impressed by anything isn't exactly true. He was impressed by his own power as an Edo Tensei (when he casted Tengai Shinsei), he was impressed by Gai and furthermore, he implied heavily that he was always impressed by Hashirama's power. A special mention was he also commented on Sasuke's fluid movements.

Madara instantly created multiple CT, in which took a maximum of a few seconds, he hadn't put any effort in what so ever and it ravaged 3/4 the Mist Country, if they are raindrops in his eyes. I'm positive he has far more capacity.

My point is, Madara has not been surpassed by either if we aren't going by feats. Like I've stated many times, he gets soloed by either going by.
 

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people don't even understand what 'portrayal' means.

'portrayal' is how kishi is trying to portray who is stronger or the general power standings of characters in the manga. Sure, you can use madara's having the juubi as a 'portrayal argument' that he's above naruto who has less bijuu power, but that argument is nulled and void when that same madara w/ the rinnegan gets wrecked by a naruto in base. Same with the later madara, you can say madara is portrayed as being > Sasuke and naruto since he has both powers in his body at the same time, but that argument gets null and void when madara get steamrolled by the duo despite both holding back and just beginning to learn how to use their powers.

If we didn't see madara fight naruto and sasuke at all, and all we had were the information about their powerups, then sure, madara's probably portrayed as much stronger than either of them individually. However we see that when he's up against them, that's absolutely not the case, therefore in order for those powerup vs powerup portrayal arguments to work, you'd have to just ignore parts of the manga that you don't like.

Kaguya is portrayed to be on a completely different level than any version of madara. Naruto held his own against her 1 vs 1. Sasuke was basically stated to be = Juubi jin hagoromo and Naruto is that sasuke's equal.

Naruto and Sasuke by portrayal are at least on the level of this JJ Madara individually. Together they stomp.
 
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The raindrops argument is pretty credible, Madara not being impressed by anything isn't exactly true. He was impressed by his own power as an Edo Tensei (when he casted Tengai Shinsei), he was impressed by Gai and furthermore, he implied heavily that he was always impressed by Hashirama's power. A special mention was he also commented on Sasuke's fluid movements.

Madara instantly created multiple CT, in which took a maximum of a few seconds, he hadn't put any effort in what so ever and it ravaged 3/4 the Mist Country, if they are raindrops in his eyes. I'm positive he has far more capacity.

My point is, Madara has not been surpassed by either if we aren't going by feats. Like I've stated many times, he gets soloed by either going by.

Madara's CT could've been way bigger considering the fact he called them raindrops and only used them as a distraction and then a couple minutes later decided to cast IT which requires planetary level Wood Release and still could've fought with Naruto and Sasuke at the time. So he really didn't put any effort into the CT.
 

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Never said they would have, I said that she couldn't stomp them. Fact. I said that she had to separate them because they were hard to deal with. Fact.
They were difficult for her to beat when she wasn't trying to kill them, but only take back her chakra they possessed. She didn't decide to kill off one of them until after Sasuke was already in desert. We saw what would have occurred when she got serious. Gravity Dimension. Ash Bone. GG.

Naruto was holding his own until she decided to get more serious than she was before.
Agreed. But he still would have lost alone eventually.

Not really. Madara has Rikudo Senjutsu boosting his Susanoo while Sasuke has Rikudo's Yin Chakra and the Bijuu's chakra inside his Susanoo. There is no comparison between their Susanoo. None at all.
In this case Sasuke would have no Bijuu because Madara has them with him unless the OP is giving him all 9 CT cores in this fight which I don't know if he is.
 

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dude, what the ****.. thats not because im a fan but because you guys see 2 new attacks and say that they best madara, you havent even seen madara's ps yet.. plus he has 3 rinnegan. limbo defeated naruto's clones because later they disappeared and his ct's werent at full size

Sigh........... Madara's limbos were never shown to beat Naruto's clones. Did you forget about IT? It was only after Madara used IT, that we saw the clones ready to attack, so it goes without saying that Naruto's clones might have been caught in IT, and as such, the limbos merely finished them off. Although clones are usually immune to genjutsu, IT goes beyond the normal limits of genjutsu.



Will get into why Madara's outclassed individually in a bit.
 

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dude, what the ****.. thats not because im a fan but because you guys see 2 new attacks and say that they best madara, you havent even seen madara's ps yet.. plus he has 3 rinnegan. limbo defeated naruto's clones because later they disappeared and his ct's werent at full size
Limbo never defeated Naruto's clones. So what if his CT's "weren't at full size"? Naruto and Sasuke destroyed it effortlessly, so they can also output more power to destroy bigger CT's in the forms they were in the Madara fight. Now current Naruto/Sasuke are a tier above what they were in the Madara fight, so CT is useless.
 

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Assumptions don't hold very much weight.

I'm not saying that at all.
Madara's Limbo got pinned down. Then was forcibly returned to Madara once the time limit was up. Or at least that's what it seemed. We didn't see exactly what happened so I'm open to interpretations.
But if you're saying that Limbo remained pinned down that makes it even worse for Madara because Limbo then becomes a non-factor.
of course its not a non-factor, so because of kaguya and every other person can be sealed they all become non-factors?
 

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Limbo never defeated Naruto's clones. So what if his CT's "weren't at full size"? Naruto and Sasuke destroyed it effortlessly, so they can also output more power to destroy bigger CT's in the forms they were in the Madara fight. Now current Naruto/Sasuke are a tier above what they were in the Madara fight, so CT is useless.
that was because someone said CT got defeated, but he probably did, because naruto's clones were gone later.. what could have happened other than limbo defeating them?
 
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