3 Legendary Sannin vs Gaara, Kakashi, MS Sasuke
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It took him a whole chapter to enter Sage Mode, and Kakashi can finish his opponent with ease due to Kamui and just help Gaara by simply warping off Bunta's neck, just like he almost did with the Mazo. [
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]It won't be hard to get close enough, and Genjutsu is as far as the two people can make eye contact.
That was Danzo's Fuuton powered up by Baku, completely on another level than what Orochimaru can produce.
It was stated that even if you have already gotten it and it disappears, the chakra lingers inside the body but in a very small amount. So yes, he should have been teleported, but wasn't. [
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]Kakashi also stated that not all ST jutsu are connected and that it was only him and Obito's eyes. [
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]Obito also knew that if he warped Minato its GG, and he has knowledge on Hiraishin.
Even if you were right, Kakashi could just take off their heads via Kamui.
Team2 wins IMO
The chakra was still existing, but was rather unsignificant. To allow Minato to teleport, he needed to reactivate the chakra for the connection, something that didn't happen while Kakashi was in the other dimension
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The sand in Garra's gaurd in not enough to be a threat, especially if he can't rely on the environment. Jiriya turning the environment into a swamp, counters Garra's ability to produce sand and Sasuke using susanoo
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Manda does not need to make eye contact, snakes can sense without their vision. Sasuke mentioned this is training to defeat Orochimaru. And distance is a factor in using genjutsu
This is before Baku
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it inflicted damage and at the same time forced Sasuke to put forth more chakra aka strain. Orochimaru has demonstrated wind release that left two Anbu, 3rd Hokage and Emma immobile. So, I would consider it a factor. But as a stated, Jiriya's swamp counters susanoo (Manda possibly too). So, this would leave Sasuke w/o susnaoo and Orochimaru w/ Manda as long as Manda can travel underground.
But this was Minato he teleported everyone, not Naruto and this was accompanied w/ Tobimaru's ftg. Kakashi had this chakra applied several hours ago, not when it was activated I wouldn't count reverse summoning out completely, but I do admit Kamui would be a challenge. Lucky enough Orochimaru and Jiriya can use clones, that's the best way to counter Kamui without much of a struggle.
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-Gaara has shown the ability to fly on his sand, so Swamp of the Underworld is no problem here.
-A Swamp is still liquid, all Sasuke needs to do is channel chakra to his feet allowing him to stand on top of the swamp, so Susanoo won't be impaired at all.
Then he'll just have to kill him via Chidori Spear or Enton.
-Sasuke was feeling that strain continuously while using Susanoo.
-It didn't inflict any damage at all.
-It is far stronger than any Fuuton Orochimaru has ever shown in this manga.
A fuuton that has a best feat of uprooting trees isn't harming Susanoo at all. Manda is no counter to Susanoo either. It either gets an Enton fireball shot at it or it gets pierced by Susanoo arrow.
The other reasons I listed still show that Reverse Summoning isn't working here.
Kakashi and Sasuke can just snipe each of their clones one by one by warping away small limbs or firing arrows, so that isn't helping here.
Gamabunta has no way to deal with Kamui either so Kakashi could just leave the clones to Sasuke while he warps off Bunta's neck, its dead and then Gaara's sand comes back in full force, after that, they stand no chance at all.
The only thing I saw wrong in KG argument is that one needs to put chakra on their feet to not be sunk. This is false and highly unlikely. They wouldn't be able to react to it first, and they would need more chakra on their feet than there is in the swamp.
I know Garra wouldn't be harmed, I saying his ability to utilize surrounding sand would be useless. He'll only have access to sand in his guard, which certainly snt enough to best any of the Sannin.
Sasuke himself can channel chakra to his feet, but i dont know how you expect this to be done while using susnaoo. The swamp is chakra fused, it would sink. First I doubt he is even able to perfrom this. Second this would require Sasuke to produce too much chakra, in having to channel his chakra and try to keep susanoo active.
Chidori Spear nor Enton isnt harming Manda. Manda's body has shown from durability and chidori spear isnt inflicting enough damage to defeat Manda. Orochimaru counters any form of chidori w/ wind release. Enton, Manda can simply shed his skin.
If Tsunade supplied her chakra as she did with Onoki, Orochimaru's wind release can surpass that. You don't think Sword of Kusanagi can pierce susanoo? I believe it could
Kakashi has already been affected by Orochimaru's presence. Temporary Paralysis Technique shots him lol
Not necessarily, you mentioned the possibly of kyuubi's chakra lingering in Kakashi, while we know for fact Katsuyu is attached to them and can be summoned on command.
I'm trying to keep hope alive for these three haha
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@KingPin90: I'll reply later....it'll probably be a while though. I have something I have to do.
Where does the bold come from? When was something like that even stated or hinted?
Pretty sure he's going to be able to react to a giant swamp being formed under his feet, even if he can't simply get his feet to the top and then stand on top of it.
Where does the bold come from? When was something like that even stated or hinted?
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Is not stated, but is hinted. To overpower another jutsu, one must use more chakra in their jutsu or use an elemental advantage. To stand on water with no chakra, one must put a little chakra on their feet. For an A-rank Doton, one must put a hefty amount of chakra in their feet to counter-act the other's chakra in the swamp.
I will make a more detailed thread on it later.
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Unless Swamp of the Underworld covers the whole battlefield, which it clearly doesn't do, he will always have sand to manipulate.
-It being infused with chakra doesn't refute my point.
-He was able to channel chakra to his fight the whole time during his fight with Naruto in Part 1, people like Sakura do this all the time, it requires minimal chakra consumption and will have no effect on him whether Susanoo is active or not.
Chidori spear was
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with ease. Manda isn't tanking this, to even say he will is baseless. He gets chopped in half, its as simple as that.Weak Fuuton isn't going to do anything to Chidori.
Susanoo tanked Kirin, Kusanagi is tanked with ease.
Tsunade won't be able to do anything cause she'll be dead once Kakashi warps her head off, so moot point.
Uh, no. Kakashi has faced people who make Orochimaru look like a little child.
-I mentioned Obito and Minato's fight.
-I mentioned the fact that not all ST jutsu are connected.
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This has nothing to do with overpowering a jutsu so that renders your whole point moot from the get go. He isn't trying to overpower the swamp, he is walking on it by channeling chakra to his feet, same principle that lets him walk on water.
i don't know if serious with some of these comments lol
1) As stated that swamp shown in that scan was weakened version. Healthy Jiriya using this swamp, accompanied with oil hinders Garra's use of sand. Summonings also have the ability to use oil/water.
The swamp is chakra enhanced, this is not a normal swamp. This is why one needs overcome the chakra put forth into the swamp and the reason why Jiriya was surprised that the snakes were still able to move.
In part 1 Sasuke use no demanding techniques -_- why compare the two? We already know that susanoo takes a toll on the user the longer they have it activated. Unless the user has EMS, Sasuke can't afford to waste chakra
-_- Did you just compare Manda to Juubi clones? The same clones that were owned by K11?
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The clones were fodder. Manda's exterior was able to tank the affects of c4. Manda displayed no open wounds and tanked oil+enton techniques. This little slash produced by the chidori spear is tanked and it wouldn't reach any vital points to harm Manda.
Fuuton>Raiton
Kirin isn't designed to pierce, Kusanagi is. Susanoo isn't > than steel/diamond
Point?? Kakashi knew all about Itachi, Pein, etc beforehand and had no worries.
Her summonings are connected no matter where they are located
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So much BS was already spouted and its only the second or third post.
-Its definitely not going to cover the whole area they are fighting in, so again, doesn't affect my point in any way shape or form nor will Gaara run out of sand.
-I hope you know those bugs eat flesh, that's why they were eaten up like that. The same would happen to Manda as he is flesh as well, there is no reason to believe that he would tank it, especially when that makes no sense. The rest of K11 didn't even cut through the Juubi clones so they don't affect my point in any way.
-Manda didn't tank shit. He took part of C0's (Not C4) explosion and still kicked the bucket afterwards.
-Why the hell would burns on a snake cause open wounds? Regardless, it damaged him so badly that he needed to shed his skin.
Chidori Spear cuts Manda in half.
-Kirin leveled a small Mountain, I don't care if its designed to pierce or not, that's proof enough its tanking Kusanagi, which couldn't even get through KN4's cloak yet you expect it to damage Susanoo? Please, if this is how the debate is going to go then don't bother replying.
-Feats clearly show that Susanoo is much stronger than steel or diamond.
Obito showed that if Minato got warped, he can't come back hence it being his victory.
Your opinion means nothing at all. Not to mention I said she gets her head warped off so it doesn't really matter.
-You don't know how much bigger it'd be so anything you post on the matter is an assumption.
-Its definitely not going to cover the whole area they are fighting in, so again, doesn't affect my point in any way shape or form nor will Gaara run out of sand.
Doesn't matter. Ht isn't trying to overpower the swamp he's trying to walk on it, so there is absolutely no reason what I'm saying is impossible.
The fact a younger Sasuke with much less chakra was able to do this (And yes he used the Curse Mark, which eats up your chakra and gives power in return) without any kind of strain shows that an older Sasuke, with much more chakra who can use MS techniques many times in less than a day and still be standing will be able to channel chakra to his feet, saying he won't is nothing but an exaggeration of how much chakra it takes.
Not sure if serious with this nonsense.
-I hope you know those bugs eat flesh, that's why they were eaten up like that. The same would happen to Manda as he is flesh as well, there is no reason to believe that he would tank it, especially when that makes no sense. The rest of K11 didn't even cut through the Juubi clones so they don't affect my point in any way.
-Manda didn't tank shit. He took part of C0's (Not C4) explosion and still kicked the bucket afterwards.
-Why the hell would burns on a snake cause open wounds? Regardless, it damaged him so badly that he needed to shed his skin.
Chidori Spear cuts Manda in half.
A weak Fuuton isn't going to beat a strong Raiton, just how 1 weak Suiton wasn't enough to put out Madara's Katon.
Oh what the hell?...:| What in god's name am I reading?
-Kirin leveled a small Mountain, I don't care if its designed to pierce or not, that's proof enough its tanking Kusanagi, which couldn't even get through KN4's cloak yet you expect it to damage Susanoo? Please, if this is how the debate is going to go then don't bother replying.
-Feats clearly show that Susanoo is much stronger than steel or diamond.
Doesn't change my point at all, he has nothing to fear when fighting Orochimaru when he's taken on people who make Orochimaru look like a bitch. (Obito, Itachi, Pein)
Manga stated that ST techniques aren't connected.
Obito showed that if Minato got warped, he can't come back hence it being his victory.
Your opinion means nothing at all. Not to mention I said she gets her head warped off so it doesn't really matter.
If Jiraiya starts in SM, team 1 solos (Frog Song GG!).
If not, Team 2 very high diff or they come to a stalemate.
Jiraiya is the perfect counter to Gaara.
Tsunade is a medic/tank (latter with Byakugou).
Orochimaru is very slippery - making him hard to kill. After all, pre-war Kakashi has only two shots of Kamui and Sasuke leaves himself vulnerable if he spams MS too much.
If not, Team 2 very high diff or they come to a stalemate.
Jiraiya is the perfect counter to Gaara.
Tsunade is a medic/tank (latter with Byakugou).
Orochimaru is very slippery - making him hard to kill. After all, pre-war Kakashi has only two shots of Kamui and Sasuke leaves himself vulnerable if he spams MS too much.