2nd Mizukage v.s 3rd and 4th Raikage, Gold & Silver Bros, Hanzo, Tsunade, Guy + more

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It's circumstantial evidence. Alot of people who aren't smart get confused and think circumstantial evidence isn't evidence... and they're wrong. For instance, if I got outside and see snow all over the city, I may not have actually seen it snow, but I can feel very confident it snowed. That is only circumstantial evidence, but it's none the worse for that. We have only circumstantial evidence for the awesomeness of Hashirama... but it's very good evidence, so we can feel confident he was indeed at the top of the Shinobi tiers with a handful of others like Madara.

The circumstances of the Mizukage's fight make it very clear he can attack people during the genjutsu, even while a long distance away... we know he can, because we can see scans showing he did it. How he did it doesn't even matter to be honest, only that he can do it, and do it with enough force that Gaara's ultimate defence is crumbling against the force of his attacks. Your rebuttal to this evidence of "I didn't see it on panel" is a weak response. We don't see alot of stuff on panel... we never saw the Sage do anything on panel... but that doesn't mean there isn't evidence of what he can do.
So as I thought you don't actually have any evidence whatsoever and as far as you know it is a completely unknown mystery jutsu, and all we have EVER seen it done is do damage to Gaara's sand and kill fodders. So this will kill these top tiers how exactly?
It's not even like you have an alternative theory of how the Mizukage managed to kill those guys, and beat on Gaara... you just want to close your eyes and ignore it. A laughable rebuttal.
I do, it's called all of those kunai and shuriken that were being thrown around by fodders constantly. They're in a war. Re-read the fight.
 

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I actually have no problem assuming that the Mizukage used his genjutsu to make the fodder nin kill each other (though you were disputing he could do this a page ago). However with Gaara he clearly is attacking him with water, despite being nowhere near him. We can see the dents in the sand, the sand literally in mid air falling off, and Gaara remarking on the oily water attacking him... the idea we need a scan of a blast of water attacking Gaara to be confident the Mizukage attacked him with his water is absurd. We're flat out told that's what happened, and we can see the immediate aftermath. You're just sore you were wrong and can't back down in spite of the evidence.
 

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I actually have no problem assuming that the Mizukage used his genjutsu to make the fodder nin kill each other (though you were disputing he could do this a page ago). However with Gaara he clearly is attacking him with water, despite being nowhere near him. We can see the dents in the sand, the sand literally in mid air falling off, and Gaara remarking on the oily water attacking him... the idea we need a scan of a blast of water attacking Gaara to be confident the Mizukage attacked him with his water is absurd. We're flat out told that's what happened, and we can see the immediate aftermath. You're just sore you were wrong and can't back down in spite of the evidence.

Notice how your post is literally full of a bunch of assumptions and none of it is backed up by any form of manga scan whatsoever. How do you know inside his genjutsu dimension a giant flying unicorn isn't soloing all of the fodder and damaging his sand? Exactly.

as I thought you don't actually have any evidence whatsoever and as far as you know it is a completely unknown mystery jutsu, and all we have EVER seen it done is do damage to Gaara's sand and kill fodders. So this will kill these top tiers how exactly?

While you're at it, stop cherry picking, you could go back and actually counter my posts before accusing me of being butthurt that I'm wrong and not willing to admit defeat when you're the one doing just that. Like I said about 8 times, I actually respond to your posts. Would you like me to re paste massive walls of text from this thread(and literally 3+ others) that you're still ignoring because you can't counter?
 

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How do you know inside his genjutsu dimension a giant flying unicorn isn't soloing all of the fodder and damaging his sand? Exactly

This is your theory? Really? You could refute every feat in the manga on this logic... "Kakashi doesn't really use Kamui... an invisible fairy does it off panel whenever he thinks he's doing it... without the fairy, Kakashi's Kamui would fail". Ridiculous logic.

Gaara tells us his water is like Oil, seeping in and destroying his sand... and then we see scans of it... of course, perhaps a flying unicorn fired water at Gaara off panel, and Gaara forgot to mention him...
 

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MIzukage uses his magic special thingy, then kills everyone with a finger gun.
 
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This is your theory? Really? You could refute every feat in the manga on this logic... "Kakashi doesn't really use Kamui... an invisible fairy does it off panel whenever he thinks he's doing it... without the fairy, Kakashi's Kamui would fail". Ridiculous logic.

Gaara tells us his water is like Oil, seeping in and destroying his sand... and then we see scans of it... of course, perhaps a flying unicorn fired water at Gaara off panel, and Gaara forgot to mention him...

Well in that case, we actually SEE Kamui, a jutsu warping space time that does it. Your mystery jutsu happened completely off panel.

You "forgot" to reply to the rest of my post. Again.
 

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Maybe I replied, but a unicorn is hiding my post from you.

Seriously, now that you've told me (in another thread) that you're 7 years old, I'm not going to humour you anymore. You've had answers given repeatedly, and now I know why you can't follow them.
 

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Maybe I replied, but a unicorn is hiding my post from you.

Seriously, now that you've told me (in another thread) that you're 7 years old, I'm not going to humour you anymore. You've had answers given repeatedly, and now I know why you can't follow them.

Nothing? Thanks, concession accepted.

also lol@ being 7 I'm glad someone acknowledges me for my true age now.
 

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Re: 2nd Mizukage v.s 3rd and 4th Raikage, Gold & Silver Bros, Hanzo, Tsunade, Guy + m

None of them have any genjutsu feats, but they could just rely on massive widespread attacks like bijuudama if kinkaku and Ginkaku can do that or hanzo's poison.
 

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Notice how your post is literally full of a bunch of assumptions and none of it is backed up by any form of manga scan whatsoever. How do you know inside his genjutsu dimension a giant flying unicorn isn't soloing all of the fodder and damaging his sand? Exactly.

as I thought you don't actually have any evidence whatsoever and as far as you know it is a completely unknown mystery jutsu, and all we have EVER seen it done is do damage to Gaara's sand and kill fodders. So this will kill these top tiers how exactly?

While you're at it, stop cherry picking, you could go back and actually counter my posts before accusing me of being butthurt that I'm wrong and not willing to admit defeat when you're the one doing just that. Like I said about 8 times, I actually respond to your posts. Would you like me to re paste massive walls of text from this thread(and literally 3+ others) that you're still ignoring because you can't counter?


Bro this is just ridiculous. You dont understand the argument or you are trolling.

And i think you just dont know how to comprehend his argument it really is just common sense but you seem to lack that :/


This is your theory? Really? You could refute every feat in the manga on this logic... "Kakashi doesn't really use Kamui... an invisible fairy does it off panel whenever he thinks he's doing it... without the fairy, Kakashi's Kamui would fail". Ridiculous logic.

Gaara tells us his water is like Oil, seeping in and destroying his sand... and then we see scans of it... of course, perhaps a flying unicorn fired water at Gaara off panel, and Gaara forgot to mention him...

Great arguments really good ones but my opinion is different from yours, it doesnt matter how "perfect" is the strategy of the Mizukage the other team still has the numbers and not necessarily for brute force but for a counter strategy.At any case the Mizu still has a human body that will run out of chakra before the other team does.

But it was a great thread even if some people like Joki came with ridiculous arguments, + rep bro.
 

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Re: 2nd Mizukage v.s 3rd and 4th Raikage, Gold & Silver Bros, Hanzo, Tsunade, Guy + m

2nd mizukage is raped
 

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Try reading the thread before commenting.
 
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