They win due to Sasori not being able to be affected by Genjutsu. He doesn't have a brain that could be affected by the Genjutsu, meaning that he'd likely be able to handle this by himself
There is no evidence at all that Sasori is immune to genjutsu! He can see, so he can be trapped in the genjutsu (as far as we know). Remember, this isn't an eye based genjutsu, he doesn't need eye contact (or even hearing) for it to work, and even the sensors can't see through it, so by whatever means he's achieving it, there's every reason to think Sasori (who can hear/see/sense the battlefield) will be vulnerable to it.
If not for him, the Mizukage wouldn't be able to beat the 3rd and 4th Raikage, as he simply doesn't have anything to take them out. In the end, I believe they would be able to take him, due to them having immense reflexes and speed, likely allowing them to attack the Mizukage back if he tries to take them out, which again, wouldn't really be possible since he can't get through the Raiton armor.
At least, that's how I believe this will go
Pretty sure an exploding Steam Clone will put a serious dent in them. Not to mention, those 2 can't breath underwater, which means he can eventually kill them by drowning them in a water prison or some such (not that he needs to, he can use genjutsu to make the other team members take them out without realising it).
People saying team 2 have yet to give any real explanation as to how they will overcome the genjutsu (or the case of death they'll experience when the genjutsu begins, and they accidentally kill half the team). You can't just invent abilities you speculate people to have. Sasori never showed any immunity to genjutsu, so he doesn't get it, no more than the ridiculous speculation that A was somehow immune to genjutsu back before Madara got him.
a sensor exists who already has (gaara). and much of these shinobis have area of effect jutsus. like kinkaku's tails and gais afternoon tiger. eventually, if they spam those moves, they will destroy the clam.
Gaara had to find it with the sand physically searching for an anomoly in the sand, then relay that info back to him via his link with the sand. He can't find it via traditional sensory abilities. We know because the Division he's fighting has sensors, and they can't find him... and as soon as the Mirage is gone, they realise they can. Why are they going to live long enough to destroy the clam? When they attack, they'll just kill each other thinking it's the Mizukage. Meanwhile the Mizukage could be sitting in a cave somewhere for all we know... this is a genjutsu of a huge scale, in which they can't trust their own senses... indeed, they won't even realise it is a genjutsu at first, nor how to beat it...
Here's how you seem to think the fight will go down:
"Our attacks aren't working on this guy!"
"Look, 2 of our guys just got killed? How did that happen?"
"I know, let's attack the far side of that mountain 3 km's away... maybe he's hiding in the cliffs"
"huh?"
it originally belonged to gold and silver bros but the cloud took it back off of them. they used to have it and thus that was their prime. unless your saying they are gimped which is nowhere mentioned in your OP.
It belonged to the Cloud. When the Gold and Silver brothers attacked they tried to carry off the treasures, and the Cloud "stole it back off them", for all we know they had it for 10 seconds before the Cloud retrieved it. I'm not willing to grant it to them without seeing that they had it for some period of time.
So you just quoted someone else's opinion to us... and you expect us to then grant, based off someone else's opinion, that Sasori has an immunity to genjutsu, that he demonstrated nowhere in the manga. Through whatever means Sasori perceives the battlefield, he perceives it... in which case, his perceptions can be altered by a genjutsu. I'd be with you if you were trying to argue that he was immune to eye based genjutsu, because he couldn't make eye contact... but immunity to all genjutsu with no evidence is just unsustainable.
EDIT- and please remember, the anime is inadmissible as evidence. This talk about insects being immune to genjutsu from the anime is not cannon.
they knew what it was and how it worked.
So do people who have never used or seen them. What of it.
he could and did. 2nd mizukage pointed out it was cos of the sensing power. if gaaras in a genjutsu how was he able ot do anything at all? wouldnt the clam be hidden from his senses anyway? evidently the genjutsu does have a flaw and people trapped in it can still fight and stop it. only known way is through sensing
We know conventional sensor powers don't work, because there were sensors in their unit who couldn't find him, and right after the genjutsu was dispelled, they could find him. I'm happy to grant Gaara can find him... but that doesn't help these guys, does it, since they lack Gaara's unique abilities.
fodder sensors. do not compare kisame to them
Well, Kisame hasn't shown anything more than ordinary sensor ability (via his sword), so until he does we can't just grant it to him. Plus the inference from "fodder" sensors being unable to find him makes sense, since if Mu (a sensor) could have found the Mizukage via sensor powers, the Mizukage wouldn't be a very effective rival against him.
impossible as the mirage didnt do that in the manga. your giving it powers it never showed
The Mizukage showed the power to kill people while they were under the genjutsu, despite being nowhere near them. You can attribute that power to whatever you like (and I run through some of the options on a thread about this (I think the one of Danzo against the 2nd Mizukage), but clearly he can hurt them, whether that's his techs working long distance, or them killing each other, it's still working. The post is here:
It's a genjutsu all right, but there are different sorts of genjutsu. Not all of them have to be ones where your mind is trapped in an illusion. As far as we're told, Mizukage summons a clam which churns out mist across a large, battlefield sized area. The Mizukage can then use this mist to create a series of "mirages", where he alters the perceptions of his victims. This primarily consists of creating illusions of himself, which are not real, and hiding his location. Good things about his illusions:
- The area they cover is huge. Big enough to hide effortlessly from the better part of a division of shinobi who are searching for you (and who specialise in long range attacks, since it was the 4th Division), and with every division consisting of thousands of shinobi that's not a trivial thing. Half the 4th Division had split off by this point, but we're still talking about a number in the thousands. During the genjutsu we see troops in the distance on mountain like rock pillars who are unable to find him, and thus within the range of the genjutsu. When the genjutsu is broken, we see a the cloud of smoke in the distance, behind several rock pillars, so it doesn't even seem like he needs line of sight for the genjutsu to work. This makes it probably the 2nd most long range genjutsu we've seen, behind Itachi of course.
- It's apparently so confusing, thousands of shinobi looking for him can't find him, even with him giving them clues, and telling them about the genjutsu and how to end it.
- The Genjutsu does not require the victims to see or hear something for it to work. It just affects everyone in the (very large) area of effect.
- The Genjutsu cannot be seen through by sensor Shinobi
- The Genjutsu does not appear to require any significant effort, and can be kept up for a lengthy period of time
- The Mizukage is somehow able to kill large numbers of enemies trapped in the genjutsu, despite being nowhere near their position. It is unclear if they die because the genjutsu makes them believe he's attacked them, whether the Mizukage can somehow attack them remotely, or he makes the victims attack each other (when they think they're attacking him). It's probably at least partially long distance attacks, because the Mizukage was nowhere near Gaara and had no line of sight, yet was able to use his oily water to stop his sand (and after the genjutsu vanished, the damage caused by the water remained). However there is no sign of the Mizukage needing to attack his earlier foes in order to damage them.
- The Clam seems able to move position, as it plainly wasn't in the original place he used it, though it's not clear if he moves the clam somehow (using water?), or the clam just moves on its own.
The downside is that he can be physically located by sensor sand, and assumedly seen through by the sharingan, as the ability to see different chakra colours should enable them to see through the genjutsu (just like the sharingan seems to allow the user to get out of pretty much any genjutsu/see through any trick that others cannot).
anyway you gave them no intel but forgot mizu also knows nothing about them. so wouldnt he be cautious and fight without the genjutsu like he did at first in the war where he charged the alliance hand to hand? genjutsu seems like an ultimate move he used to counter large numbers cos the ET autopilot told him to. we know mu defeated it as 2nd mizukage DIED against him. mu's a sensor and likely used that or the area of effect jinton to destroy the clam. onoki siad mu had trouble vs steam tyranny, not the goddamn clam.
Mizukage knows nothing about the division he is fighting, and his opening move pretty much is genjutsu... which isn't surprising, since it's also his best tech, as well as the best for large groups. And my OP specifies he's activating it.
I'm guessing Mu's ability to do 360 degree jinton's that destroy everything in their path helped... not to mention that Mu can become undetectable... in which case neither of them can find the other easily, which is why their powers are a charming match (and contrast... Mu is cheap tech after cheap overpowering tech, whereas the 2nd Mizukage is subtle and less obviously powerful, until you try to fight him and realise how troublesome his techniques are).
Explain how the others win.
