2nd kages vs Akatsuki

[ARGUS]

Mu has a counter to Kamui? Even if he did Juubi size katon turns him to ash he isn't getting outside of the Aoe. ​

Obito is not defending himself from attacks that he can't even see. And Muu has fission here which can also go invisible, allowing the other muu to attack obito the moment he has solidified to attack
So muu can counter kamui just fine,

Juubi sized katon?
It's a directional attack, and obito won't know where to aim it, it's not doing shit

 

[Unorthodox]

Akatsuki stomps

 

[Penguin]

Juubi sized katon are pointless. Water wall literally negates it, or whatever portion of it would hurt the team. All that chakra is being dispersed into that huge AoE. Tobirama can continuously surge water out his mouth to reinforce his water wall and what gets evaporated from the fire.

That being said, kage win.

Tobirama is superior to Obito and Itachi, and with edos he trolls Kisame.
Mu stalemates all bar Obito.
Gengetsu can stall Itachi but loses to the rest.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yeah he does, he can split himself.

I don't know how Obito can attack something he can't see.

How is that helping him? The Katon Aoe is far to large Mu isn't starting off the battle invisible so therefore once he turns invisible Obito uses Katon in his Aoe and he roasted. ​

Obito is not defending himself from attacks that he can't even see. And Muu has fission here which can also go invisible, allowing the other muu to attack obito the moment he has solidified to attack
So muu can counter kamui just fine,

Juubi sized katon?
It's a directional attack, and obito won't know where to aim it, it's not doing shit

How is Mu killing Obito with his bare hands? Actually he will Mu isn't starting the battle invisible so all Obito has to do is use the Katon in his direction or he could simply spin around in a 360 while the Katon is active. ​

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

How is that helping him? The Katon Aoe is far to large Mu isn't starting off the battle invisible so therefore once he turns invisible Obito uses Katon in his Aoe and he roasted. ​

How is Mu killing Obito with his bare hands? Actually he will Mu isn't starting the battle invisible so all Obito has to do is use the Katon in his direction or he could simply spin around in a 360 while the Katon is active. ​

Mū not starting the battle by going invisible is rather presumptuous, and it is IC for him to use that technique a lot, and I imagine he'd be even more compelled to do it right off the bat against the sharingan.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Juubi sized katon are pointless. Water wall literally negates it, or whatever portion of it would hurt the team. All that chakra is being dispersed into that huge AoE. Tobirama can continuously surge water out his mouth to reinforce his water wall and what gets evaporated from the fire.

That being said, kage win.

Tobirama is superior to Obito and Itachi, and with edos he trolls Kisame.
Mu stalemates all bar Obito.
Gengetsu can stall Itachi but loses to the rest.

Wait so Tobirama puny Suiton is stopping Obito's Katon? I quit. Tobirama edo's are a non-factor not only does he not have a sacrifice they'll get demolished before he can even bring them to life. Kisame wrecks Mu. Water clones WD etc... Gengetsu gets raped by Itachi. His clam is a non factor since it can't even move Totsuka rips it apart before it can even pump the mist out accurately. Also when did Tobirama get water wall(It's not like it would matter anyways). ​

Mū not starting the battle by going invisible is rather presumptuous, and it is IC for him to use that technique a lot, and I imagine he'd be even more compelled to do it right off the bat against the sharingan.

You clearly didn't get what i said. Mu is going to start the battle of by going invisible but it won't matter because one the Katon is fired out in his directions he's going to get caught because he doesn't have feats suggesting he can fly out of it's aoe. ​

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Wait so Tobirama puny Suiton is stopping Obito's Katon? I quit. Tobirama edo's are a non-factor not only does he not have a sacrifice they'll get demolished before he can even bring them to life. Kisame wrecks Mu. Water clones WD etc... Gengetsu gets raped by Itachi. His clam is a non factor since it can't even move Totsuka rips it apart before it can even pump the mist out accurately. Also when did Tobirama get water wall(It's not like it would matter anyways). ​

You clearly didn't get what i said. Mu is going to start the battle of by going invisible but it won't matter because one the Katon is fired out in his directions he's going to get caught because he doesn't have feats suggesting he can fly out of it's aoe. ​

Welp, you said Mū wouldn't do that, so, that's on you.

Yeah he does have the feats, because he's a sensor, has great reflexes[Link 1], and is at least as fast as Deidara is on his bird[Link 2]. He'll sense the buildup of the katon technique, and react to it by flying out of its range.

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[Draegod]

2nd Kages win with no more than mid diff

Muu > Obito, Muu > Kisame
Tobirama >> Obito, Tobirama > Itachi, Tobirama w/edo > Kisame
Gengetsu is weaker than all, however once the others are down, the last member gets ass raped

Weaker then the rest but he is cannonly equal to muu? He will never lose to itachi, mid diff kisame, and high diffs tobirama. How is he weaker then any of them when he is easily equal to muu and tobirama in deadliness???

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Actually agree with Draegod here, Trollkage shouldn't be underrated. He's up there with Mū and Tobirama, but in this particular matchup, he won't have as big of an impact as the latter duo

 

[ARGUS]

Weaker then the rest but he is cannonly equal to muu?

He is just not suited to fight them,

He will never lose to itachi,

Why is that exactly?, im of the impression that the sharingan can see through the mirage, but i could be wrong on that

mid diff kisame,

No way is it a mid diff fight, none of the mizukages attacks are hurting kisame here, and the clam genjutsus summoning can be outlasted,

and high diffs tobirama.

Agreed, mizukage beats tobirama the minute he sets up the genjutsu

How is he weaker then any of them when he is easily equal to muu and tobirama in deadliness???

like i said he is just not suited to fighting them as well as tobirama or muu

Actually agree with Draegod here, Trollkage shouldn't be underrated. He's up there with Mū and Tobirama, but in this particular matchup, he won't have as big of an impact as the latter duo

the bold is exactly what i am saying,
i have never said that the mizukage is below the likes of muu or tobirama

Mu isn't starting off the battle invisible ​

Based on what exactly?

so therefore once he turns invisible Obito uses Katon in his Aoe and he roasted.

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Lol No he isnt

How is Mu killing Obito with his bare hands? Actually he will Mu isn't starting the battle invisible so all Obito has to do is use the Katon in his direction or he could simply spin around in a 360 while the Katon is active. ​

Muu has his sword with him, so killing obito with that is very efficient for him
as for the invisibility thing, Lol No, muu will go invisible the instant he sees them, your running circles around that notion is not cutting it here

as for the 360 Katon? Lol when has obito shown such thing?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Based on what exactly?

Lol No he isnt

Muu has his sword with him, so killing obito with that is very efficient for him
as for the invisibility thing, Lol No, muu will go invisible the instant he sees them, your running circles around that notion is not cutting it here

as for the 360 Katon? Lol when has obito shown such thing?

(1) Your clearly not getting at what im saying once Obito see's Mu for the brief seconds before he goes invisible Juubi sized Katon is sent his way how is he getting away from it?

(2) Your going to need a better argument than ''No he isn't''.

(3) Mu can't turn objects invisible if he could he would have been taking everybody out in the war via picking up an invisible rock using weighted bolder and knocking them upside there heads. Are scans needed here Sasuke made

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). by spinning around why can't Obito replicate this feat but with his huge Katon? ​

 

[ARGUS]

(1) Your clearly not getting at what im saying once Obito see's Mu for the brief seconds before he goes invisible Juubi sized Katon is sent his way how is he getting away from it? ​

And i have already told you why its moot,
Muu can just fly above the katon andd evade it, he hass more than enough speed and reflexes to do so,
not to mention that why would muu even come visible in this battle?

he has fission to split himself in 2, and can also have rock clones at his disposal, so even if obito sees one of the muus, and attempts to attack him, the other muu wuld sneak behind him and slit his throat

(2) Your going to need a better argument than ''No he isn't''.

I already did give you an argument, and you didnt counter it,
so i ddidnt feel like repeating myself

(3) Mu can't turn objects invisible if he could he would have been taking everybody out in the war via picking up an invisible rock using weighted bolder and knocking them upside there heads.

and why is that exactly?,
Muu bends alll the light around him with suiton to turn himself invisible, his clothes turn invisible as well, so your entire argument is shat on here,
so saying that his sword that is placed behind him cant turn invisible makes no sense,

Are scans needed here Sasuke made
.(

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). by spinning around why can't Obito replicate this feat but with his huge Katon?

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If Obito attempts a 360 katon, it wont be shit since the fire wont be able to reach a distance before obito changes the direction of his head,
he wont be able to focus tthe katon that well either, nor would its AOE be any good

so even if obito attempts such katon, itll still get evaded or intercepted,

 

[DMT]

(3) Mu can't turn objects invisible

Mujin Meisai can turn clothes and bandages invisible, You clearly don't understand how Suiton works exactly .

 

[Chazzi]

What's this?

Akatsuki with the lowest difficulty possible.

 

[Unorthodox]

the akatsuki rapes Kisame is a bad matchup for All of them. Muu beating obito is a joke 2nd mizukage fighting style hinders his team

the akatsuki wins this

also Tobirama does not > Obito in a 1v1 things he didnt use against minato juubi size katon,mokuton,genjutsu, tobirama is never running his 5 minutes up nor will he try to beat tobirama in a battle of spead after losing to minato in that type of battle. Obito has insane chakra reserves so outlasting is not an option