Ive never been interested in this thread because we have barely seen anything from tobirama but also we havent truly seen itachi's full potential to judge. Nobody has yet been able to come up with a good enough argument for tobirama. Who knows when i feel like it, ill bless you guys U_U
Lol why do you talk as if you are so certain? And dont use that DBZ logic round here.
Bolded: Lol really? This "not very important" character created Edo tensei technique, if it wasnt for him Kabuto would be hiding inside a hole somewhere. If it wasnt for him, the Uchiha clan police force would have never existed and possibly Itachi wouldnt have been conceived? . U_U
He might have created Edo Tensei, but that doen't mean that he has contributed much to the advancement of the storyline. His existence/ non-existence doesn't really affect the plot.
Itachi on the other hand, is about to stop the Edo Tensei. He is one of the most important characters in the series.
Of course, I'm not saying that Tobirama is weak. My point is that Tobirama isn't a mainstream character, and Kishi won't show us any fights inolving him, probably.
Since we know next to nothing about Tobirama's abilities, DBZ logic was the best thing that I could think of.U_U
By the way, what makes you think that Tobirama's existence is connected to Itachi's birth?.....lol
this whole battle depends on who tobirama can summon with edo tensei
if he summons 2 shinobi of base jiraiyas power then he wins , but if not then he lose
If tobirama using water style is your only argument then I guess you have nothing because kisame arguably one of the best if not the best water style user in the manga said he couldn't defeat itachi and we know what he is capable of. So itachi could clearly work his way around water style. Tobirama has no real feats except for hype.
So itachi wins this pretty easily like how he did against oro
If you vote for either of them you're delusional and a fan boy. There is not enough info on the 2nd to properly gauge his performance therefore we don't know who was stronger.
He might have created Edo Tensei, but that doen't mean that he has contributed much to the advancement of the storyline. His existence/ non-existence doesn't really affect the plot.
Itachi on the other hand, is about to stop the Edo Tensei. He is one of the most important characters in the series.
Of course, I'm not saying that Tobirama is weak. My point is that Tobirama isn't a mainstream character, and Kishi won't show us any fights inolving him, probably.
Since we know next to nothing about Tobirama's abilities, DBZ logic was the best thing that I could think of.U_U
By the way, what makes you think that Tobirama's existence is connected to Itachi's birth?.....lol
Bold 1: He hasnt contributed much to the storyline? Excuse me mate but which jutsu is currently affecting the whole storyline? Oh yes, Edo tensei.
Just because a character hasnt gotten much spotlight doesnt mean they arent important or 'mainstream' as you put. I could say Izuna isnt too much of an important character because he hasnt been shown doing anything apart from the flashbacks. But we all know he has played an important part because if it wasnt for him there would be no Madara with EMS or Rinnegan for that matter. So in the same way, if it wasnt for Tobirama's Edo tensei there wouldnt be no twist and turns in the storyline that we see today.
Bold 2: Um I wouldnt go that far yet mate, Kabuto isnt to be underestimated so its best to wait rather than make bold predictionsU_U
If you vote for either of them you're delusional and a fan boy. There is not enough info on the 2nd to properly gauge his performance therefore we don't know who was stronger.
*sigh*, ive just read a few pages in this thread and im not sure what to think any more of the people on this forum. This is in relation to the people who favour tobirama. This is basically the arguments ive heard;
Tobirama is a hokage for a reason
Tobirama can use the bringer of darkness
Because hashirama =/> Madara, Tobirama =/> izuna
Tobirama can use edo tensei
Tobirama has water techniques therefore his suiton > katon
Tobirama has a s/t tech
Tobirama has in game techniques that is most likely part of his techniques
Where do i start ;
Tobirama is a hokage for a reason. This is one of the dumbest arguments ive heard on nb and believe me ive heard them all. So because he is the hokage he can defeat itachi?. People need to realise that being a kage means nothing. Not before any other kage level ninja. How many of akatsuki have defeated kage ninja's. Oro defeated the 3rd kazekage and 3rd hokage. Sasori defeated the 2nd kazekage. Deidora defeated the 4th kazekage. The 4th mizukage was tobi's bitch. Itachi defeated oro who was a hokage candidate. Nagato defeated jiraiya who was a hokage candidate. Itachi defeated kakashi who was a hokage candidate. Sasuke defeated danzo who has the 6th hokage. To finally end this nonsense currently all the strong characters; sasuke, naruto, itachi, madara, tobi, kabuto are not kages, yet all of them will defeat any of the current kages. Madara is fighting all 5 ffs. For people to say tobirama is the hokage therefore he wins is plain stupid.
Tobirama can use bringer of darkness, really?. In the manga which is written by kishi, hashirama is the one who used it;
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Now alot of people will say because hashirama used it tobirama can also.
Ill challenge such a stupid post and say if thats the case, tobirama can use mokouton. Just because his brother can use a technique doesnt mean he can also. Ill challenge such a stupid post with my own as say because itachi can use Ephemeral sasuke can also use it or because sasuke can use kirin, itachi can also. When in the manga does it say that because your brother can use a technique so can you. Alot of people would say that because he used it in the anime he can in the manga. You guys realise that the manga is written by kishi whilst the anime isnt. There are many scenes in the anime that do not take place in the manga. Similarly there are many techniques demonstrated by characters in the anime whom do not have this ability in the manga. A perfect example is team kakashi vs 30% itachi. In the anime kakashi used the hidden mist technique. In the manga he didnt. Now kakashi has never used the hidden mist in the manga before, never. Therefore how can you say that he has this. Only in the manga has he used it;
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Unless you can upload me a link where kakashi has used the hidden mist in the manga, you cannot give this to him. Similarly just because tobirama has used the bringer of darkness in the anime you cannot give this to him
Apparently tobirama =/> izuna therefore he can defeat itachi, seriously?.
Firstly we do not know for sure the ms abilities izuna has. Lets for the sake of this argument say he has the same techniques as itachi. I highly doubt he is as proficient in tsukuyomi as itachi. For all you know he might be similar to sasuke and is proficient in amaterasu instead. Talking abot the ms, susano. Izuna might have susano, but you see the difference between his and itachi's is the legendary weapons. Now lets say both have ms's,so?. Does that mean you are equal in skill;
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I thought it all depends on the skill of the user. Now alot of people seem to think that an ms user just uses ms techniques, wrong. People seem to forget that these people are geniuses with the shairgan capable of copies many techniques. Itachi has already demonstrated katon and suiton and even though we can say izuna is also a katon user, we dont know his second element to compare him to itachi. We dont even know any of his jutsu's, nor have we seen itachi's full ninjutsu range. Finally different fighting styles yield different results. Itachi's mastery of genjutsu has allowed him to defeat s-rank ninja's with ease. Obvious examples being oro and deidora. We dont know if izuna like itachi specialises in genjutsu and this is his main fighting style. He was said to be similar to madara, meaning although he is a genjutsu user, this isnt his preferred fighting style. Also where in the manga does it say tobirama =/> izuna?, for people to say tobirama =/> itachi. Even if tobirama =/> izuna that doesnt mean tobirama =/> itachi
Tobirama can use edo tensei, so?.
Who exactly is he going to summon?. Regardless as its already been said he mightve created the technique but he didnt master it to the level of oro, let alone kabuto. Basically oro's summonings (the two hokages) were like low level jonin at best. What the previous hokages showed us wasnt their true strength. If oro surpassed tobirama in edo tensei and his edo's were low jonins at best, tobirama's edo's would be like chunnin level. They would be sealed in seconds. Thats off course if he has prepared such a technique already
Tobirama is a suiton user, therefore suiton > katon, again so?.
Nothing, not even water can stop amaterasu. Also people forget that itachi is also a suiton user, but along with the shairgan, he can copy the same techniques tobirama uses and counter them.
Tobirama has a s/t tech.
First of all tobirama's s/t tech isnt on the same level as neither minato's or tobi's. We have no clue how his techniques works. What we do know though is that its no where near as advanced as tobi's. For somebody to have an s/t tech and yet be defeated by 20 ninja's, clearly shows that his s/t wasnt that great. Besides gin/kin bros didnt have much trouble with his s/t tech to leave him on the brink of death
Tobirama has in game techniques that is most likely part of his techniques?.
Im not the person to come to if you decide to use such an argument. Do you want me to upload you youtube videos of techniques that in game characters have demonstrated that they dont have in the manga. Regardless the game is loosely based around naruto and isnt even created by kishi
*sigh*, ive just read a few pages in this thread and im not sure what to think any more of the people on this forum. This is in relation to the people who favour tobirama. This is basically the arguments ive heard;
Tobirama is a hokage for a reason
Tobirama can use the bringer of darkness
Because hashirama =/> Madara, Tobirama =/> izuna
Tobirama can use edo tensei
Tobirama has water techniques therefore his suiton > katon
Tobirama has a s/t tech
Tobirama has in game techniques that is most likely part of his techniques
Where do i start ;
Tobirama is a hokage for a reason. This is one of the dumbest arguments ive heard on nb and believe me ive heard them all. So because he is the hokage he can defeat itachi?. People need to realise that being a kage means nothing. Not before any other kage level ninja. How many of akatsuki have defeated kage ninja's. Oro defeated the 3rd kazekage and 3rd hokage. Sasori defeated the 2nd kazekage. Deidora defeated the 4th kazekage. The 4th mizukage was tobi's bitch. Itachi defeated oro who was a hokage candidate. Nagato defeated jiraiya who was a hokage candidate. Itachi defeated kakashi who was a hokage candidate. Sasuke defeated danzo who has the 6th hokage. To finally end this nonsense currently all the strong characters; sasuke, naruto, itachi, madara, tobi, kabuto are not kages, yet all of them will defeat any of the current kages. Madara is fighting all 5 ffs. For people to say tobirama is the hokage therefore he wins is plain stupid.
Tobirama can use bringer of darkness, really?. In the manga which is written by kishi, hashirama is the one who used it;
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Now alot of people will say because hashirama used it tobirama can also.
Ill challenge such a stupid post and say if thats the case, tobirama can use mokouton. Just because his brother can use a technique doesnt mean he can also. Ill challenge such a stupid post with my own as say because itachi can use Ephemeral sasuke can also use it or because sasuke can use kirin, itachi can also. When in the manga does it say that because your brother can use a technique so can you. Alot of people would say that because he used it in the anime he can in the manga. You guys realise that the manga is written by kishi whilst the anime isnt. There are many scenes in the anime that do not take place in the manga. Similarly there are many techniques demonstrated by characters in the anime whom do not have this ability in the manga. A perfect example is team kakashi vs 30% itachi. In the anime kakashi used the hidden mist technique. In the manga he didnt. Now kakashi has never used the hidden mist in the manga before, never. Therefore how can you say that he has this. Only in the manga has he used it;
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Unless you can upload me a link where kakashi has used the hidden mist in the manga, you cannot give this to him. Similarly just because tobirama has used the bringer of darkness in the anime you cannot give this to him
Apparently tobirama =/> izuna therefore he can defeat itachi, seriously?.
Firstly we do not know for sure the ms abilities izuna has. Lets for the sake of this argument say he has the same techniques as itachi. I highly doubt he is as proficient in tsukuyomi as itachi. For all you know he might be similar to sasuke and is proficient in amaterasu instead. Talking abot the ms, susano. Izuna might have susano, but you see the difference between his and itachi's is the legendary weapons. Now lets say both have ms's,so?. Does that mean you are equal in skill;
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I thought it all depends on the skill of the user. Now alot of people seem to think that an ms user just uses ms techniques, wrong. People seem to forget that these people are geniuses with the shairgan capable of copies many techniques. Itachi has already demonstrated katon and suiton and even though we can say izuna is also a katon user, we dont know his second element to compare him to itachi. We dont even know any of his jutsu's, nor have we seen itachi's full ninjutsu range. Finally different fighting styles yield different results. Itachi's mastery of genjutsu has allowed him to defeat s-rank ninja's with ease. Obvious examples being oro and deidora. We dont know if izuna like itachi specialises in genjutsu and this is his main fighting style. He was said to be similar to madara, meaning although he is a genjutsu user, this isnt his preferred fighting style. Also where in the manga does it say tobirama =/> izuna?, for people to say tobirama =/> itachi. Even if tobirama =/> izuna that doesnt mean tobirama =/> itachi
Tobirama can use edo tensei, so?.
Who exactly is he going to summon?. Regardless as its already been said he mightve created the technique but he didnt master it to the level of oro, let alone kabuto. Basically oro's summonings (the two hokages) were like low level jonin at best. What the previous hokages showed us wasnt their true strength. If oro surpassed tobirama in edo tensei and his edo's were low jonins at best, tobirama's edo's would be like chunnin level. They would be sealed in seconds. Thats off course if he has prepared such a technique already
Tobirama is a suiton user, therefore suiton > katon, again so?.
Nothing, not even water can stop amaterasu. Also people forget that itachi is also a suiton user, but along with the shairgan, he can copy the same techniques tobirama uses and counter them.
Tobirama has a s/t tech.
First of all tobirama's s/t tech isnt on the same level as neither minato's or tobi's. We have no clue how his techniques works. What we do know though is that its no where near as advanced as tobi's. For somebody to have an s/t tech and yet be defeated by 20 ninja's, clearly shows that his s/t wasnt that great. Besides gin/kin bros didnt have much trouble with his s/t tech to leave him on the brink of death
Tobirama has in game techniques that is most likely part of his techniques?.
Im not the person to come to if you decide to use such an argument. Do you want me to upload you youtube videos of techniques that in game characters have demonstrated that they dont have in the manga. Regardless the game is loosely based around naruto and isnt even created by kishi
Bold 1: He hasnt contributed much to the storyline? Excuse me mate but which jutsu is currently affecting the whole storyline? Oh yes, Edo tensei.
Just because a character hasnt gotten much spotlight doesnt mean they arent important or 'mainstream' as you put. I could say Izuna isnt too much of an important character because he hasnt been shown doing anything apart from the flashbacks. But we all know he has played an important part because if it wasnt for him there would be no Madara with EMS or Rinnegan for that matter. So in the same way, if it wasnt for Tobirama's Edo tensei there wouldnt be no twist and turns in the storyline that we see today.
Bold 2: Um I wouldnt go that far yet mate, Kabuto isnt to be underestimated so its best to wait rather than make bold predictionsU_U
Fine, I agree with most parts of what you said. The fact however, is that we don't know enough about Tobirama's techniques to start discussing about his chances of victory.
For now, if we consider the apparent abilities of the two shinobi, we can conclude that Itachi's are superior to that of Tobirama.
Fine, I agree with most parts of what you said. The fact however, is that we don't know enough about Tobirama's techniques to start discussing about his chances of victory.
For now, if we consider the apparent abilities of the two shinobi, we can conclude that Itachi's are superior to that of Tobirama.
Itachi story is full of failure. He was used like a marionette by the elder to kill his own people. Then he was used by akatsuki to catch the beasts. And last but not least he is responsible for Sasuke's criminal behaviour. He was doing everything to built Sasuke up as a hero. I guess that didn't work out that well.
The guy did absolutly nothing relevant for the safety of Konoha. He didn't beat any high caliber shinobi. He didn't create any jutsu. He was nothing more then the one-eyed king among the uchiha. I mean seriously!
And on the other side we have Tobirama. A guy who fought all day against top notch uchiha like Madara and Izuna, creating S rank jutsu and being the best water element user!
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