Kamui in no way shape or form is instant like hirashin, it takes time for Obito to warp things and himself into the other dimension. Nothing will instantly appear or instantly disappear, thatʻs only hirashin.
Concession accepted as youʻve given zero reason for naruto flying at top speed while ignoring my reasons why he WASNʻT flying at top speed. Not only that, but naruto was moving at the same speed as one of his shadow clones which again proves he wasnʻt moving at his top speed.
He had to gather the chakra to warp them on all of those instances, the arrows moved form sasuke all the way to kakashi before he could gather the chakra to warp them, thatʻs by no means instant.
they always gather chakra for absorption kamui, especially when its an absorption kamui thatʻs not directly in front of them but far away from them.
Kamui is in no way shape or form instant like hirashin or sasukeʻs teleportation.
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Kaguya never blitzed naruto or sasuke with her teleportation, they didnʻt notice it behind them and she froze them which disabled them from moving. The second time, she pulled sasuke into it not naruto. and on both occasions, the only reason they didnʻt instantly react to the portals was because she created them behind sasuke and naruto. Obito canʻt do that since kamui doesnʻt have that kind of power, and naruto has already reacted to kamui sneak attacks.
my goodness. Supermanʻs head wouldnʻt get ripped off because of the force of kamui, it would get ripped off because kamui is a S/T jutsu that takes an X volume of space and transports it somewhere else. If supermanʻs head is in the volume thatʻs in the barrier limiting area of kamui, sure it gets sucked if he just stands there, however if superman... moves out of the barrier limiting area of kamui before the technique is completed, it doesnʻt get sucked in. Learn how S/T jutsu works before trying to discuss S/T jutsu.
Kakashi REACTED to Sasukeʻs arrow, he saw it coming to him and mentally processed it coming to him, and the only thing he stated he couldnʻt do was move his entire body out of the way. Kaguya COULDNʻT EVEN REACT to narutoʻs blitz, she saw naruto on the ground, and before she could mentally process anything her arm was off and naruto was in her face.
Kakashi absolutely did not speed blitz kaguya, kaguya was completely aware of him jumping out of susanoo and what he was doing before he struck her.
Based on what is that a translation mistake? Do you have any positive evidence of kakashi or obito or anyone with S/T jutsu warping multiple objects away? Minato and Tobirama despite having shadow clones couldnʻt even warp multiple bijuudamas away, what do you base your claim about kakashi doing it on?
Because he knows obitoʻs arsenal and knows how kamui works, knows how durable PS and has the ability to attack from multiple angles....
because the standard rule of engagement with the sharingan is to fight it in numbers....
And then I flip the question back on you: what will make Obito do what youʻre suggesting he does to naruto. He canʻt read narutoʻs mind can he?
based on what can obito hit at least 9 targets from different directions all at the same time with kamui shurikens? Based on what can obito use multiple long range kamuis while using PS? Based on what can obito even use multiple long range kamuis simultaneously? And lets say obito does that, while heʻs warping them, he get blitzed by the real naruto, or the other clones.
So basically you have zero evidence that obito can warp things out of kamui at long range, thatʻs basically a concession on your part. If Obito had the ability to warp things at long range out of kamui, he or kakashi would have shown that ability, yet we only see BOTH of them warping things right out of their eyes. So no, Obito doesnʻt get these fanfiction abilities you want to ascribe to him. If he does, then you give naruto the same benefit of the doubt and naruto gets abilities that he never displayed in the manga, yet should have such as armys of clones using tailed beast ball rasenshurikens or PS busting chakra punches.
yet Iʻve conclusively proven that it isnʻt, itʻs just as fast as Iʻm claiming it to be, and they most definitely donʻt warp the gudoudamas before Naruto kills Obito via speed blitz.
Um.... naruto just cuts the tree down or rips the barrier apart if obito tries that quad juubidama. He could even just fly out of the barrier, gudoudamas are absolutely not needed. And of course, while obito is using that technique, heʻd get blitzed by naruto or a clone.
Concession accepted as youʻve completely ignored what youʻve quoted that proves your argument wrong, and an ignored argument is a conceded one.
Visually seeing the raikiri warp kaguya is not a requirement for the technique to be imbued with kamui. When minato hits someone with a rasengan, while using FTG, does he say "hiraishin-rasengan!"? When Obito uses intangibility and then a technique immediately after, does he say "Kamui-X tech"? No and no. Like Kakashiʻs black shuriken were imbued with kamui, kakashiʻs black raikiri was imbued with kamuiʻs power as well which is why it cut kaguya like butter. And Sasukeʻs chidori eiso cut madara in half,
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And do you want to know why debating with me gives you a headache? Because I expose your lies and double standards. I force you to actually evaluate both characters by the same bar, which makes you have to either just ignore my arguments because you canʻt come up with a counter or think really hard in order to try and weasel your way around my reasoning which pretty much never works and results in you spinning your wheels without producing anything.
In order for Obito to win low difficulty, you have to:
- hit naruto with major PIS while allowing Obito to use his full arsenal
- give obito far greater reactions than kaguya and give kamui far greater abilities than weʻve ever seen in the manga
- give kamui the ability to warp things as fast as hirashin or sasukeʻs teleportation
- give obito the ability to attack naruto and use intangibility at the same time
- give obito the ability to use intangibility despite the manga explicitly saying the juubi jinchuriki canʻt use that
- basically give obito the byakugan which will allow him to keep track of all the naruto clones on the battlefield all at the same time while simultaneously focusing his vision on objects to kamui them while simultaneously holding PS or fighting.
- say kakashi phased through kaguya
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with kamui, and not imbuing raikiri with kamui via the same way he imbued shurikens with kamui turning them black and giving them s/t properties.
So yeah, in a scenario where Obito gets the extreme upper limit massive benefit of the doubt while naruto gets hit with PIS, then sure, I can see Obito winning. But in any fair scenario naruto clearly wins more times than not.
