[VS] 2 MS Juubito vs Current Naruto

[wael reda]

You should have made it DMS non jin obito (with kakashi feats) vs naruto as it would be close match up and I can prove that obi to wins high diff
But DMS jin obito is litteraly stomp match ,naruto is overrated as hell

1. Naruto can't evade kamui enhanced with rikudo chakra ,can sense it or not ,none can evade what is faster than him ,simple logic ,long range kamui barrier appearing is instant whether you like it or not but the warping isn't but close ,once naruto is stuck in kamui barrier ,naruto can't get out from the barrier due to the great force which attracts him to the the barrier's centre ,this force will immobilize naruto movements and he won't be able to use his shunshin ,just like he couldn't move while the ground attracts him in kaguya's gravity dimension

Another proof ,that naruto can't evade kamui and kamui is faster than naruto
When kakashi warped kaguya's portal and bone ,naruto who was moving already ,didn't get closer 1 cm starting from the moment kakashi intented to use kamui ,untill the portal was totally warped ,that means kakashi charged kamui ,kamui appeared and warped the portal and the bone before moving naruto got closer 1 cm let alone standing naruto who needs first to react then starts moving


All naruto attacks ( TTBRS,YRS..etc) is warped and redirected on naruto and his clones GG ,or obi to can simply warp naruto's gudomas away with kamui so no more TTBRS

Obito's PS will be also superior to that of kakashi and sasuke since that it won't be enhanced with rikudo chakra only but with rikudo senjutsu too,and with all naruto's destructive attacks getting warped ,Rikudo senjutsu enhanced PS will be nightmare

If naruto tried to attack obito at close range ,obi to will use something similar to kamui raiki ,for example kamui gudoma stick to cut naruto off while naruto won't be able to touch him due to the intangibility

Obito wins low diff

 

[synkross]

DMS Obito is unbeatable.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Juubi jinchuuriki>>>> All others

They're immortal

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Madara wasn't killed in any of those scans.

BZ some how turned him into a woman.

Sasuke's attack didn't kill Madara though, Maddy gave no shits about being cut in half.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yea right.
Stop assuming things mate. Madara (juubi-jin) never tried using his Susanoo against Naruto & Sasuke even when he was losing.
You think Madara won't had tried using his Susanoo if what you are saying is valid?

Don't assume things till the Manga proves it.

When was Madara ever losing to Naruto and Sasuke?

 

[lanakui8]

You should have made it DMS non jin obito (with kakashi feats) vs naruto as it would be close match up and I can prove that obi to wins high diff
But DMS jin obito is litteraly stomp match ,naruto is overrated as hell

1. Naruto can't evade kamui enhanced with rikudo chakra ,can sense it or not ,none can evade what is faster than him ,simple logic ,long range kamui barrier appearing is instant whether you like it or not but the warping isn't but close ,once naruto is stuck in kamui barrier ,naruto can't get out from the barrier due to the great force which attracts him to the the barrier's centre ,this force will immobilize naruto movements and he won't be able to use his shunshin ,just like he couldn't move while the ground attracts him in kaguya's gravity dimension

Naruto senses kamui and shunshins away from it with his kaguya blitzing speed, meanwhile a couple of clones end the occupied obito with bijuu rasenshurikens.

Another proof ,that naruto can't evade kamui and kamui is faster than naruto
When kakashi warped kaguya's portal and bone ,naruto who was moving already ,didn't get closer 1 cm starting from the moment kakashi intented to use kamui ,untill the portal was totally warped ,that means kakashi charged kamui ,kamui appeared and warped the portal and the bone before moving naruto got closer 1 cm let alone standing naruto who needs first to react then starts moving

Naruto wasnʻt moving anywhere near his top speed at that time, and naruto doesnʻt have to be faster than the warp, he just has to be faster than kakashi can track.

All naruto attacks ( TTBRS,YRS..etc) is warped and redirected on naruto and his clones GG ,or obi to can simply warp naruto's gudomas away with kamui so no more TTBRS

how exactly does Obito accomplish this? When has he or kakashi ever warped multiple attacks away and then sent them back? Gai even told kakashi that kamui was useless against 5 bijuudamas, and thatʻs before they were even fired and at point blank range. Obito doesnʻt have this fanfiction multitasking ability to warp an unlimited amount of attacks from different angles all at once.

Obito's PS will be also superior to that of kakashi and sasuke since that it won't be enhanced with rikudo chakra only but with rikudo senjutsu too,and with all naruto's destructive attacks getting warped ,Rikudo senjutsu enhanced PS will be nightmare

Why would Obitoʻs PS be superior to theirs when Kakashi uses Hagoromoʻs rikudou senjutsu chakra to power his susanoo? Why would all of narutoʻs destructive attacks be warped? Is it because Obito can throw more than 3 kamui shurikens, and narutoʻs only limited to three destructive attacks or is it because Naruto can bust the PS with just chakra arms?

If naruto tried to attack obito at close range ,obi to will use something similar to kamui raiki ,for example kamui gudoma stick to cut naruto off while naruto won't be able to touch him due to the intangibility

juubi jinchuriki canʻt become intangible read the manga.

Plus, Obito nor kakashi can be intangible and attack at the same time, kakashi used his intangibility to dodge kaguyaʻs bone attack and then became tangible in order to attack her.

Obito wins low diff

Obito loses, and badly unless you give him some fanfiction byakugan-MS-sharinnegan fusion that allows Obito to focus kamui on every single object on the entire battlefield at any given time and kamui it away.

If he doesnʻt have this ability he gets destroyed by bijuu rasenshuriken, he gets destroyed by naruto blitzing him like he did to kaguya, he gets destroyed by clones while he focuses on kamuiʻing the real naruto (who just shunshins away after sensing it).

 

[wael reda]

Naruto senses kamui and shunshins away from it with his kaguya blitzing speed, meanwhile a couple of clones end the occupied obito with bijuu rasenshurikens.

lol , kakashi gathered chakra ,kamui appeared and warped the portal and the bone before naruto can even move 1cm ,kamui's appearing(not the warping) is instant ,naruto can't evade what is instant ,it is like saying madara/naruto can evade sasuke /minato appearing in front of them with ftg/rinn ,that is immposible ,they may can evade their movements afterwards but not the appearing itself

Not to mention that ,obi to doesn't have to gather chakra then uses kamui directly ,he can gather it in advance then uses it some mins after so naruto won't know when he is going to use kamui

Don't talk like naruto can evade anything ,he was blitzed by kaguya's portals twice before he barely evaded it

Once naruto is stuck in the kamui's barrier ,he can't get out from it due to the great force that attracts him towards the barrier's centre ,that would immobilize his movements and he won't be able to move just like he couldn't move at kaguya's gravity dimension

Naruto wasnʻt moving anywhere near his top speed at that time, and naruto doesnʻt have to be faster than the warp, he just has to be faster than kakashi can track.

He was flying at top speed ,and as I said ,naruto can't evade what is instant ,also obito pretty much can track naruto with his enhanced sharingan and Rikudo senjutsu

how exactly does Obito accomplish this? When has he or kakashi ever warped multiple attacks away and then sent them back? Gai even told kakashi that kamui was useless against 5 bijuudamas, and thatʻs before they were even fired and at point blank range. Obito doesnʻt have this fanfiction multitasking ability to warp an unlimited amount of attacks from different angles all at once

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Gai said he would die if he did that as he hadnt enough chakra to warp 5 ttb ,kakashi intended to do it ,that means he can warp multiple attacks

You cant prove that naruto would attack from multiple angles ,nor he ever did that ,all his attacks were coming from one direction ,obi to warps them all with huge kamui and then gets them out on naruto GG

Even if naruto shot them from different directions ,obi to could warp one and get it out on naruto and counter the rest by his intangibility

There are more than translation about jin obi to not being able to use the intangibility ,also thread maker said he can use 2 ms kamui and that includes the intangibility

Also obi to can warp naruto's gudomas then there would be no more TTBRS

Why would Obitoʻs PS be superior to theirs when Kakashi uses Hagoromoʻs rikudou senjutsu chakra to power his susanoo? Why would all of narutoʻs destructive attacks be warped? Is it because Obito can throw more than 3 kamui shurikens, and narutoʻs only limited to three destructive attacks or is it because Naruto can bust the PS with just chakra arms?

Because sasuke and kakashi hasn't rikudo senjutsu ,they have rikudo chakra ,rikudo senjutsu is only possessed by jiubi jin
Lol,kakashi shot 4 kamui shrukens ,and that doesn't mean he is limited to that number ,specially that obi to has jiubi chakra
Naruto's Chakra arms can't destroy rikudo senjutsu enhanced PS ,even if it could ,obi to could just warp it away too

Plus, Obito nor kakashi can be intangible and attack at the same time, kakashi used his intangibility to dodge kaguyaʻs bone attack and then became tangible in order to attack her.

No they can ,kakashi slipped through kaguya but raiki still cut her ,or why it is called kamui raiki Lol

Obito wins low diff

 

[lanakui8]

lol , kakashi gathered chakra ,kamui appeared and warped the portal and the bone before naruto can even move 1cm ,kamui's appearing(not the warping) is instant ,naruto can't evade what is instant ,it is like saying madara/naruto can evade sasuke /minato appearing in front of them with ftg/rinn ,that is immposible ,they may can evade their movements afterwards but not the appearing itself

um, since when is kamui instant?

FTG is the one thatʻs instant, kamui has the entire process of creating the dimensional barrier and sucking the thing into it. Naruto was again, not moving at anywhere near his fastest speeds, he was only moving as fast as sasuke (who canʻt even fly) and do you have any evidence that kakashi only began to gather the chakra for kamui in the panel he used it?

Not to mention that ,obi to doesn't have to gather chakra then uses kamui directly ,he can gather it in advance then uses it some mins after so naruto won't know when he is going to use kamui

If obito gathers chakra for kamui in advanced, naruto creates clones or shunshin blitzes obito like he did to kaguya gg.

Don't talk like naruto can evade anything ,he was blitzed by kaguya's portals twice before he barely evaded it

When was he blitzed by her portal?

Once naruto is stuck in the kamui's barrier ,he can't get out from it due to the great force that attracts him towards the barrier's centre ,that would immobilize his movements and he won't be able to move just like he couldn't move at kaguya's gravity dimension

based on what would kamuiʻs barrier create such a force that naruto wouldnʻt be able to get out of it?

He was flying at top speed ,and as I said ,naruto can't evade what is instant ,also obito pretty much can track naruto with his enhanced sharingan and Rikudo senjutsu

absolutely everything suggests naruto was not flying at top speed ranging from flightless sasuke moving just as fast as naruto to naruto cancelling his transformation before he can move a few inches to narutoʻs previous speed feats. Kaguya couldnʻt track naruto, unless obito has reactions > kaguya, heʻs not doing it as well.

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Gai said he would die if he did that as he hadnt enough chakra to warp 5 ttb ,kakashi intended to do it ,that means he can warp multiple attacks

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Then thereʻs the fact that we have literally zero instances of kamui warping away more than one attack at a time.

You cant prove that naruto would attack from multiple angles ,nor he ever did that ,all his attacks were coming from one direction ,obi to warps them all with huge kamui and then gets them out on naruto GG

So basically you are saying "Naruto wrecks obito unless Naruto is hit by massive PIS while Obito isnʻt". Well thatʻs basically you conceding the thread since if you have to argue that a character is hit with PIS in order for them to lose, then it shows that out of plot battles (AKA the thread we are discussing) means theyʻd win.

Oh and if you want to restrict Naruto from using a simple tactic like attacking an opponent from multiple angles, then you restrict Obito just as much and therefore he doesnʻt do things like warp multiple targets with kamui and the stuff you want him to do. Either way, naruto wrecks unless you give Obito an unfair advanttage and naruto an unfair gimp.

Even if naruto shot them from different directions ,obi to could warp one and get it out on naruto and counter the rest by his intangibility

How in the world did you get the idea that Obito can "get it out on" naruto? Since when has kamui ever been shown to warp an attack back at the opponent? The only argument you could make is kakashi warping bee out of his eye, and if thatʻs the case naruto detonates his rasenshuriken right when it comes out of obitoʻs eye, killing obito. Obito doesnʻt have intangibility if heʻs the juubi jinchuriki.

There are more than translation about jin obi to not being able to use the intangibility ,also thread maker said he can use 2 ms kamui and that includes the intangibility

Also obi to can warp naruto's gudomas then there would be no more TTBRS

While he tries to do that, naruto flashblitzes him or a clone ends him. Naruto doesnʻt even need TBBRS to kill obito as kaguya fodderizes susanoo with four chakra punches and narutoʻs capable of firing off tailed beast rasenshurikens without them.

Because sasuke and kakashi hasn't rikudo senjutsu ,they have rikudo chakra ,rikudo senjutsu is only possessed by jiubi jin
Lol,kakashi shot 4 kamui shrukens ,and that doesn't mean he is limited to that number ,specially that obi to has jiubi chakra
Naruto's Chakra arms can't destroy rikudo senjutsu enhanced PS ,even if it could ,obi to could just warp it away too

Rikudou senjutsu is rikudouʻs chakra, how in the world did you come to the conclusion that it wasnʻt? Even if you think about it, how did kakashi even get hagoromoʻs chakra? From obitoʻs body. How did obito get hagoromoʻs chakra, by absorbing it from Juubi jinchuriki madara when he stuck his hand into madaraʻs chest. Itʻs the same thing.

No they can ,kakashi slipped through kaguya but raiki still cut her ,or why it is called kamui raiki Lol

Itʻs called kamui raikiri for the same reason his shurikens are kamui shurikens, he empowers the raikiri with kamui in order to sever space with it which is why it cut kaguya while Sasukeʻs same black chidori didnʻt even draw blood from madara. He slipped through kaguyaʻs attacks then hit her with the kamui raikiri.

Obito wins low diff

sure if you unfairly and heavily restrict naruto while placing no restrictions on obito.

Plus you literally ignored the fact that

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I mean I flat out posted that, and you just ignored it which shows that you do believe that if he canʻt use intangibility, he loses and therefore obito loses.

 

[wael reda]

um, since when is kamui instant?

FTG is the one thatʻs instant, kamui has the entire process of creating the dimensional barrier and sucking the thing into it. Naruto was again, not moving at anywhere near his fastest speeds, he was only moving as fast as sasuke (who canʻt even fly) and do you have any evidence that kakashi only began to gather the chakra for kamui in the panel he used it?

I never said kamui is instant ,I said kamui's appearance is instant just like minato's appearance instantly with FTG ,naruto can't evade kamui's appearance just like he can't evade sasuke/minato 's instant appearance in front of him ,he may can evade their movements afterwards but not the instant appearance itself

Naruto was flying at top speed ,sasuke used his s/t to appear close to kaguya thenhe just moved his arm

Yes ,kakashi used the kamui the moment he saw the bone coming out from the portal ,and that isn't something new ,kakashi already has used kamui more than once the moment he needed it ,he warped 2 Susan arrows coming towards him though his ms was locked ,then he activated the ms and warped the arrows with no gathering chakra

If obito gathers chakra for kamui in advanced, naruto creates clones or shunshin blitzes obito like he did to kaguya gg.

Obi to doesn't need to gather chakra to use kamui ,he used kamui for 20 years without gathering chakra once ,even kakashi sometimes used kamui without gathering chakra
Sasuke teleports with his rinningan after focusing on some location ,was madara able to sense his teleportation?,was kamui once sensed ? ,when kakashi used kamui to warp madara's gudomas away ,did madara sense kamui?
Stop with this nonsense, naruto can't blitz obito ,obi to can use intangibility to slip through him or just use PS
You keep talking about naruto's speed blitzing low in chakra pre powered up kaguya ,kakashi speed blitzed powered up kaguya

When was he blitzed by her portal?

Twice ,when kaguya first used it and BZ merged with them ,and when kaguya used it to drag sasuke to another dimension ,naruto standed there moving no finger till kaguya dragged sasuke totally to the other dimension

based on what would kamuiʻs barrier create such a force that naruto wouldnʻt be able to get out of it?

You are the one who should be asked ,how can naruto just move out the barrier while there is a force drags him to the barrier's centre ?
That force is strong enough that kakashi/obito can warp any part of anything ,for example if kakashi used kamui on target like super man's head ,this force will rip his head off ,alright?
This force will immobilize naruto's movements ,he won't be able to get out the barrier just like he couldn't move at kaguya's gravity dimension

Kaguya couldnʻt track naruto, unless obito has reactions > kaguya, heʻs not doing it as well.

Again ,speed blitzing someone doest mean he could track you ,for example s
Kakashi couldn't evade sasuke's Susano arrows but he could track it and warp it away ,alright?
Again ,stop talking about naruto's speed blitzing kaguya while kakashi(whose feats obito has )speedblitzed powered up kaguya

Nope, Gai said

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Then thereʻs the fact that we have literally zero instances of kamui warping away more than one attack at a time.

That is translation mistake ,here gai said there many of them ,you have no enough strength to do that

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This translation makes much more sense than yours ,as kakashi intended to warp the five TTB ,kakashi isn't stupid, he won't go to do something he knows that it is impossible, but he would have died since he hadnt enough chakra to do so ,but jiubiobito has no chakra problem ,alright?

So basically you are saying "Naruto wrecks obito unless Naruto is hit by massive PIS while Obito isnʻt". Well thatʻs basically you conceding the thread since if you have to argue that a character is hit with PIS in order for them to lose, then it shows that out of plot battles (AKA the thread we are discussing) means theyʻd win.

Oh and if you want to restrict Naruto from using a simple tactic like attacking an opponent from multiple angles, then you restrict Obito just as much and therefore he doesnʻt do things like warp multiple targets with kamui and the stuff you want him to do. Either way, naruto wrecks unless you give Obito an unfair advanttage and naruto an unfair gimp.

Just a question ,what will make naruto suddenly attack from multiple directions ,he cant read obito's mind ,can he?

Let's assume that naruto will do so ,obi to still can warp them all with kamui shrukens or just warps some of them with long range kamui then gets them out on naruto and then counters the rest by the intangibility or by teleporting away

How in the world did you get the idea that Obito can "get it out on" naruto? Since when has kamui ever been shown to warp an attack back at the opponent? The only argument you could make is kakashi warping bee out of his eye, and if thatʻs the case naruto detonates his rasenshuriken right when it comes out of obitoʻs eye, killing obito. Obito doesnʻt have intangibility if heʻs the juubi jinchuriki.

Obi to won't get them out by short range kamui ,he can just get them out directly on naruto or close to him by long range kamui

Yes ,he never did that but we doesn't need him to use it to know if he can or not ,it is simply like that ,obi to uses his short range kamui to warp thing in and out from the other dimension ,by the same way long range kamui can be used to warp thing in and out from the other dimension
About obito's intangibility , thread maker said he can use 2 ms kamui and that includes the intangibility

While he tries to do that, naruto flashblitzes him or a clone ends him. Naruto doesnʻt even need TBBRS to kill obito as kaguya fodderizes susanoo with four chakra punches and narutoʻs capable of firing off tailed beast rasenshurikens without them.

Nope ,kamui is faster than you think Lol
When obi to warps the gudomas ,naruto won't be able to use TTBRS anymore nor he won't be able to defend himself against jiubi TTB

Rikudou senjutsu is rikudouʻs chakra, how in the world did you come to the conclusion that it wasnʻt? Even if you think about it, how did kakashi even get hagoromoʻs chakra? From obitoʻs body. How did obito get hagoromoʻs chakra, by absorbing it from Juubi jinchuriki madara when he stuck his hand into madaraʻs chest. Itʻs the same thing.

No ,kakashi and sasuke has rikudo chakra but they have no Rikudo senjutsu ,that is something only possessed by jiubi jins and naruto

Itʻs called kamui raikiri for the same reason his shurikens are kamui shurikens, he empowers the raikiri with kamui in order to sever space with it which is why it cut kaguya while Sasukeʻs same black chidori didnʻt even draw blood from madara. He slipped through kaguyaʻs attacks then hit her with the kamui raikiri.

Nope,We didn't see the raiki warp kaguya or a part of her
Even sasuke's normal chidori cut madara in half ,didn't it? ,it is called kamui raiki because kakashi slips through the enemy, however the raiki still cuts them because the raiki itself isn't intangible
Sorry but That would be my last reply to you ,debating so much gives me a headache

Obi to wins low diff ,even if you restricted the intangibility ,he would still win though it would be quite harder

 

[lucario14]

Naruto still beats him mid diff

--Kamui is non factor, naruto senses its chakra built up and evades it with utmost ease,

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, meaning that obito is sufferring the same fate, as his reflexes are in no way or form superior to kaguyas

--With superior speed and reflexes the moment obito solidifies to attack he would get hit, seeing how narutos striking speed is much faster and the fact that naruto can completely disrupt his kamui based moveset

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that will gang rape obito

--PS is also not doing shit,

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or naruto can also

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(which he has more than enough capacity to spam) to bust PS, and kamui shuriken are either evaded by naruto rather easily or he can just fire off BIjuu RS projectiles to intercept them

--the offense of TBB is also not helping obito here

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, thus allowing naruto more than enough time to intercept the TBB and eradicate the tree with YRS, not to mention that

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its non factor here as well

I agree with you and naruto does win especially since juubito cannot use kamui but how does tsb negate a juubidama that would be fired directly at naruto? The tsb juubito used to protect himself wasn't hit directly. In fact he was in a position where he was furthest from any blast radius (which was inside the barrier). Maybe the explosions canceled each other out at that point because your scan also shows that the tree used to fire juubidamas was still standing. Juubidama's in theory should annihilate entire cities.

 

[ARGUS]

I agree with you and naruto does win especially since juubito cannot use kamui but how does tsb negate a juubidama that would be fired directly at naruto? The tsb juubito used to protect himself wasn't hit directly. In fact he was in a position where he was furthest from any blast radius (which was inside the barrier). Maybe the explosions canceled each other out at that point because your scan also shows that the tree used to fire juubidamas was still standing. Juubidama's in theory should annihilate entire cities.

Nope, Obito was still within the blast radius of the juubidamas and was also inside the barrier

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, meaning that he was obviously affected, and

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the tree surviving an explosion this powerful is debatable but its clear that the tree is very durable
and even if the juubidamas cancelled each other, the explosion would have still been immense thus affecting obito,

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[lucario14]

Nope, Obito was still within the blast radius of the juubidamas and was also inside the barrier

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, meaning that he was obviously affected, and

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the tree surviving an explosion this powerful is debatable but its clear that the tree is very durable
and even if the juubidamas cancelled each other, the explosion would have still been immense thus affecting obito,

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It's funny. I just find it hard to believe that the tsb that protected juubito could be cracked by

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and penetrated by 8 gated guy's

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Also The if the tree is made of the same material as the shinju, well we all know how naruto

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[ARGUS]

It's funny. I just find it hard to believe that the tsb that protected juubito could be cracked by

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and penetrated by 8 gated guy's

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Thats because TSB cannot negate senjutsu or taijutsu,
juubitos TBB were pure ninjutsu which why obito managed to survive, otherwise the juubidamas would have eradicated him, seeing how narutos far inferior TBB still managed to crack his shield

Also The if the tree is made of the same material as the shinju, well we all know how naruto

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Exactly hence why i stated that God Tree is non factor as its just getting one-shotted by YRS

 

[Torche]

Naruto takes this. The Bijuu Rasenshuriken Barrage.

 

[lucario14]

Thats because TSB cannot negate senjutsu or taijutsu,
juubitos TBB were pure ninjutsu which why obito managed to survive, otherwise the juubidamas would have eradicated him, seeing how narutos far inferior TBB still managed to crack his shield

Exactly hence why i stated that God Tree is non factor as its just getting one-shotted by YRS

2 quick questions
1. Are bijuudamas ninjutsu or natural energy?
2. Since when can naruto negate ninjutsu. How did he get yin-yang release?

 

[ARGUS]

2 quick questions
1. Are bijuudamas ninjutsu or natural energy?

They are ninjutsu however the user can still infuse nature energy in them to make them senjutsu which is what naruto did against juubito

2. Since when can naruto negate ninjutsu. How did he get yin-yang release?

I never said that naruto can negate ninjutsu however it's very possible since he has TSB and can possibly use onmyoudon
TSB are a result of yin yang

 

[wael reda]

Kamui can't be sensed
People keep saying that kamui can be sensed though it was never sensed in the manga ,that is a pure assumption based on nothing ,just because amatrasu was sensed so kamui should be sensed too ,this is a bad logic

If kamui could be sensed ,why didn't jiubi jin riningan madara realise that kakashi and obito were going to use kamui together at the same time instead of keep wondering who of them was going to use kamui !!! ??( when obi to was trying to go to the other dimension to save naruto by giving him the kiuybi)
Madara didn't know that both of them was going to use kamui ,simply because kamui's usage can't be sensed even by jiubi jin has rikudo senjutsu

Also Kamui was used dozens times without the need to gather chakra ,obi to/kakashi used kamui many times the moment they needed to use it without a time for gathering chakra
Examples:
Kakashi warped 2 susano arrows though his ms was locked when the arrows were already in the mid air ,he activated his ms and warped the arrows without any time for gathering chakra
When kakashi warped pain's nail
When obi to warped sakura to save her from madara's gudoma stick ,actually obito has never been showed to gather chakra before using kamui
The list goes on

What do you think !!?


Naruto can't evade kamui

I amnot saying kamui's warping is instant ,I am saying that kamui's barrier appearance is instant ,and since kamui can't be sensed ,naruto wouldn't know when obito is going to use kamui ,so it would be impossible for naruto to avoid long range kamui's barrier appearance ( actually no one can evade kamui 's barrier appearing, it is the same as minato's appearing with ftg but minato's movements and striking speed after teleporting and kamui warping aren't instant
)another example : naruto never evaded kaguya's portal's appearance behind him ,he evaded what came out the portal afterwards

Once naruto is trapped in the kamui barrier ,he wouldn't be able to get out from the barrier as he wouldn't be able to use his shunshin and speed while he is being dragged to the barrier's centre by a great force that can even rip some one's head off his body ( the durability doesn't matter), this great force would immobilize naruto''s movements and keep him inside the barrier till his head is warped ,just like naruto wasn't able to move or use his shunshin at kaguya's gravity dimension due to the force which attracts him to the ground


Naruto's only way to avoid being warped is making clones ,obito can get ride of this clones by huge sized kamui ,or PS ,if naruto tried to attack obi to with several RS ,obi to can warp it with kamui or kamui shurukins ,then gets them out directly on naruto and his clones with long range kamui ,also obi to can warp naruto's gudomas away ,so there would be no more TTBRS ,and naruto wouldn't be able to survive jiubibombs without his gudomas

 

[Demonic.]

Kamui can't be sensed
People keep saying that kamui can be sensed though it was never sensed in the manga ,that is a pure assumption based on nothing ,just because amatrasu was sensed so kamui should be sensed too ,this is a bad logic

If kamui could be sensed ,why didn't jiubi jin riningan madara realise that kakashi and obito were going to use kamui together at the same time instead of keep wondering who of them was going to use kamui !!! ??( when obi to was trying to go to the other dimension to save naruto by giving him the kiuybi)
Madara didn't know that both of them was going to use kamui ,simply because kamui's usage can't be sensed even by jiubi jin has rikudo senjutsu

Also Kamui was used dozens times without the need to gather chakra ,obi to/kakashi used kamui many times the moment they needed to use it without a time for gathering chakra
Examples:
Kakashi warped 2 susano arrows though his ms was locked when the arrows were already in the mid air ,he activated his ms and warped the arrows without any time for gathering chakra
When kakashi warped pain's nail
When obi to warped sakura to save her from madara's gudoma stick ,actually obito has never been showed to gather chakra before using kamui
The list goes on

What do you think !!?


Naruto can't evade kamui

I amnot saying kamui's warping is instant ,I am saying that kamui's barrier appearance is instant ,and since kamui can't be sensed ,naruto wouldn't know when obito is going to use kamui ,so it would be impossible for naruto to avoid long range kamui's barrier appearance ( actually no one can evade kamui 's barrier appearing, it is the same as minato's appearing with ftg but minato's movements and striking speed after teleporting and kamui warping aren't instant
)another example : naruto never evaded kaguya's portal's appearance behind him ,he evaded what came out the portal afterwards

Once naruto is trapped in the kamui barrier ,he wouldn't be able to get out from the barrier as he wouldn't be able to use his shunshin and speed while he is being dragged to the barrier's centre by a great force that can even rip some one's head off his body ( the durability doesn't matter), this great force would immobilize naruto''s movements and keep him inside the barrier till his head is warped ,just like naruto wasn't able to move or use his shunshin at kaguya's gravity dimension due to the force which attracts him to the ground


Naruto's only way to avoid being warped is making clones ,obito can get ride of this clones by huge sized kamui ,or PS ,if naruto tried to attack obi to with several RS ,obi to can warp it with kamui or kamui shurukins ,then gets them out directly on naruto and his clones with long range kamui ,also obi to can warp naruto's gudomas away ,so there would be no more TTBRS ,and naruto wouldn't be able to survive jiubibombs without his gudomas

Kamui can be sensed:

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Which means Obito loses terribly

 

[wael reda]

Kamui can be sensed:

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Which means Obito loses terribly

Fail
This was amatrasu not kamui ,kamui isn't amatrasu
Jiubijin madara couldn't sense kamui as I showed

 

[Demonic.]

Fail
This was amatrasu not kamui ,kamui isn't amatrasu
Jiubijin madara couldn't sense kamui as I showed

Uhhh, they're both ocular MS techniques that require chakra buildup? Hence why Kakashi died after he used it to save Choji.

No reason to believe Kamui can't be sensed Via chakra buildup when Amaterasu can...