[VS] 1st Division Commander vs 1st Division Commander

[OG sama]

EOS Cavendish vs. Marco

Personally I'm going with Cavendish, he's the 1st division Commander for the future Pirate King, I find it unlikely that he would be weaker than WBs First division commander.

I see it like this:
Luffy(Pirate king level)
Zoro(Yonko level)
Sanji(Admiral level)
Cavendish(Marco perhaps slightly stronger)

I see Cavendish as the Marco of the SH fleet. What do you think?

 

[Skylar Knight]

The commanders, no matter which division they are leading, are all equal in rank and the division number does not indicate their strength.

 

[OG sama]

The commanders, no matter which division they are leading, are all equal in rank and the division number does not indicate their strength.

True but Marco seems to be believed as the strongest commander correct? Do you agree with the way I set it up?

 

[Raikage23]

Cabbage in his alto ego mode could prob beat marko but other than that I doubt it. Marko seemed pretty close to admiral level pre time skip and could only get stronger.

 

[ToshiZO]

I think you're confusing this. Marco's equivalent in the SH crew would be Zoro. Cavendish is more of an ally than a direct crewmate.

Also I don't think Cavendish will ever reach Marco's level.

 

[OG sama]

Cabbage in his alto ego mode could prob beat marko but other than that I doubt it. Marko seemed pretty close to admiral level pre time skip and could only get stronger.

Yeah I was thinking about this too. But for some odd reason I dont think the commanders are going to get stronger, I feel as though if Marco got stronger than how were the SHs going to deal with the Admirals or the BB pirates?

If Marco got even stronger he would likely be able to beat the other Admirals and then the tension is gone and the new generation can't do anything.

 

[OG sama]

I think you're confusing this. Marco's equivalent in the SH crew would be Zoro. Cavendish is more of an ally than a direct crewmate.

As far as them being FMs go yes. But as far as EOS power scaling goes I didn't see it like that because I knew Zoro would likely be way above the level of your typical FM not saying Marco isn't strong, Zoro would be Mihawk+.

So what I did was split them into the strongest levels to the lowest and Cabbage being possibly the fourth strongest matched up perfectly right behind Sanji who I think will beat Kizaru which would place Cabbage and Marco together.

 

[Punk Hazard]

MFW Pirate King Level isn't about strength, and Yonko and Admiral are the same thing power wise. But do you. Also, it's pretty obvious Bartolomeo would be the 1st division commander.

 

[ToshiZO]

As far as them being FMs go yes. But as far as EOS power scaling goes I didn't see it like that because I knew Zoro would likely be way above the level of your typical FM not saying Marco isn't strong, Zoro would be Mihawk+.

So what I did was split them into the strongest levels to the lowest and Cabbage being possibly the fourth strongest matched up perfectly right behind Sanji who I think will beat Kizaru which would place Cabbage and Marco together.

I dislike doing EOS rankings anyways but giving SH crew the benefit of the doubt it would go like this

Luffy = Strongest Yonkou
Zoro = Admiral level+ (can beat and is on par with the stronger Admirals/Yonkou)
Sanji = Marco level+ (meaning he can take on some admirals and loses to others)

remember that's giving them the benefit of the doubt, if they get any stronger than that it'd be a cakewalk for them against any other crew and even the govt, and that would obviously be boring. I basically gave Sanji first mate level strength +, something that belongs to Zoro but since this is a special crew we can make an exception BUT Cavendish getting to that level? Probably not.

 

[OG sama]

MFW Pirate King Level isn't about strength, and Yonko and Admiral are the same thing power wise. But do you. Also, it's pretty obvious Bartolomeo would be the 1st division commander.

It isn't about strength but if you used your common sense you would get why I set it up this way. I set it up this way to imply Luffy would be like Roger level in power, Zoro Mihawk level in power, same man who had a rivalry with a fellow swordsman whos a Yonko(Shanks), Sanji to Kizaru, and Cabbage to Marco who many view just right behind those three powers.

Maybe I need to be literal with everything.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It isn't about strength but if you used your common sense you would get why I set it up this way. I set it up this way to imply Luffy would be like Roger level in power, Zoro Mihawk level in power, same man who had a rivalry with a fellow swordsman whos a Yonko(Shanks), Sanji to Kizaru, and Cabbage to Marco who many view just right behind those three powers.

Maybe I need to be literal with everything.

I actually see Mihawk, Roger, Kizaru and Shanks all the same bracket, so this makes absolutely no difference to me. Anyways, you do need to be clearer. You can't say something that means something completely different than what you intend, and then get uppity when people respond different than what you were expecting. Don't want responses saying they are the same level, don't post as though you're saying they aren't.

 

[Skylar Knight]

True but Marco seems to be believed as the strongest commander correct? Do you agree with the way I set it up?

I disagree. I don't think we'll ever see Luffy on Roger's level. You can't compare a 19 year-old to a man who sailed the seas for more than twenty-five years.

 

[OG sama]

I dislike doing EOS rankings anyways but giving SH crew the benefit of the doubt it would go like this

Luffy = Strongest Yonkou
Zoro = Admiral level+ (can beat and is on par with the stronger Admirals/Yonkou)
Sanji = Marco level+ (meaning he can take on some admirals and loses to others)

remember that's giving them the benefit of the doubt, if they get any stronger than that it'd be a cakewalk for them against any other crew and even the govt, and that would obviously be boring. I basically gave Sanji first mate level strength +, something that belongs to Zoro but since this is a special crew we can make an exception BUT Cavendish getting to that level? Probably not.

Except Marco can't beat any of the Admirals and I find it likely that Sanji will beat Kizaru. That wouldn't place him In Marco+ category but in Admiral+. Don't you find it more reasonable to bump Zoro up to Yonko category? Considering he's going to beat a guy who used to spar with a Yonko?

 

[OG sama]

I actually see Mihawk, Roger, Kizaru and Shanks all the same bracket, so this makes absolutely no difference to me. Anyways, you do need to be clearer. You can't say something that means something completely different than what you intend, and then get uppity when people respond different than what you were expecting. Don't want responses saying they are the same level, don't post as though you're saying they aren't.

Gotcha .

I disagree. I don't think we'll ever see Luffy on Roger's level. You can't compare a 19 year-old to a man who sailed the seas for more than twenty-five years.

This is a shonen manga dude or is this your first one? You do realize that Naruto surpassed Hashirama and became like God level at 17 right? Experience means nothing in these types of mangas, I can't stress that enough.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except Marco can't beat any of the Admirals and I find it likely that Sanji will beat Kizaru. That wouldn't place him In Marco+ category but in Admiral+. Don't you find it more reasonable to bump Zoro up to Yonko category? Considering he's going to beat a guy who used to spar with a Yonko?

What part of Marco + did you not understand...as it stands Marco is a top tier able to fight Admirals but not necessarily beat them. Marco + would mean Sanji defeats some Admirals but Luffy vs Lucci style...if he defeats Kizaru imo he will be weaker than Kizaru when he does it not stronger than him just like most enemies who Luffy fights (Croc, Doflamingo, Lucci, Enel).

I don't get what this Yonkou level is I just put him as Admiral level + meaning he is able to fight on par with the stronger Yonkous and Admirals, and beat the weaker ones ( for example lets assume Fujitora is the weakest Admiral and Akainu is the strongest he'd be able to give Akainu a really tough battle and possibly win most likely lose (Akainu should be top 5 strongest OP characters as of now), but Fujitora he'd beat him).

This is a shonen manga dude or is this your first one? You do realize that Naruto surpassed Hashirama and became like God level at 17 right? Experience means nothing in these types of mangas, I can't stress that enough.

Oda is not Kishimoto though, he wouldn't shit on his story like that to make Luffy a God. But yea experience doesn't mean much indeed when it comes to the MC.

 

[OG sama]

What part of Marco + did you not understand...as it stands Marco is a top tier able to fight Admirals but not necessarily beat them. Marco + would mean Sanji defeats some Admirals but Luffy vs Lucci style...if he defeats Kizaru imo he will be weaker than Kizaru when he does it not stronger than him just like most enemies who Luffy fights (Croc, Doflamingo, Lucci, Enel).

I don't get what this Yonkou level is I just put him as Admiral level + meaning he is able to fight on par with the stronger Yonkous and Admirals, and beat the weaker ones ( for example lets assume Fujitora is the weakest Admiral and Akainu is the strongest he'd be able to give Akainu a really tough battle and possibly win most likely lose (Akainu should be top 5 strongest OP characters as of now), but Fujitora he'd beat him).



Oda is not Kishimoto though, he wouldn't shit on his story like that to make Luffy a God. But yea experience doesn't mean much indeed when it comes to the MC.

Okay I see how its set up now, I must have been expecting you to think Sanji would prove stronger than Kizaru. To each his own I guess.

And for Zoro, I guess I was expecting a Yonko category but that's what Admiral level + is. I don't know why im not using my head today. Zzz

 

[Skylar Knight]

This is a shonen manga dude or is this your first one? You do realize that Naruto surpassed Hashirama and

This is how much I read of your comment before I stopped taking you seriously.

 

[OG sama]

This is how much I read of your comment before I stopped taking you seriously.

You stopped taking me seriously because I showed you an example of why your logic doesn't work in shonen manga? Since when has Oda cared about experience, with that crap logic Luffy should still be weaker than Captain Kuro.

Maybe your comment shouldn't having been taken seriously because its clearly full of nonsense.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

PK, Yonko and Admiral level are the same....cant give a clear answer since we have no idea how strong Cavendish will get. Its 100% baseless and opinionated.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Marco wrecks the clown.​