11 year-old boy attempts suicide after being bullied about My Little Pony

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^ I have never asked anyone to do so and same goes for pity. Don't jump the gun, as you don't know anything about my life. It's easy being judgemental and hard to experience things.
And you know nothing about mine but I will say this, I've faced much more than that kid, and far younger than 11.
 

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I understand perfectly but at the end of the day, it amounts to one thing - weakness. Moping around in self-pity, whining about how harsh your life is and expecting someone to hold your hand; weak little excuses for people.

Life isn't fair, it's about time modern generations learn and get over it.
What a dumb thing to say :|

Bullying can be physical as well, stand up to a bunch of people that you jump you by the legions isn't exactly such a smart idea. Everyone responding with these negative comments against the boy make it seem like a problem you just face and it just goes away, doesn't really work like that in every situation
 

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And you know nothing about mine but I will say this, I've faced much more than that kid, and far younger than 11.
I hope this isn't a contest, but I would say that that kid had it easy compared to me, but that still doesn't mean that I would start being judgmental. We all have different tolerance compasses.
 

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I hope this isn't a contest, but I would say that that kid had it easy compared to me, but that still doesn't mean that I would start being judgmental. We all have different tolerance compasses.
@ Bold: This exactly. No one's the exact same, we all react to things differently.
 

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People in general rely on others to make them strong. Almost everyone (I would say absolutely everyone, but there may be exceptions) on this base has the potential to commit suicide.

We take people's kindness for granted. What if you (generally speaking) woke up and the world hated you? Everywhere you went, people called you disgusting, even cleaned everything you touched. We rely on people being friendly, we trust that there are caring humans out there. What happens if your family suddenly found you a disgusting piece of garbage as well?

Wait, I can amplify that...

Fast forward a bit, you meet one person who treats you like a god/goddess. In a few months/years, they treat you as horrible as the world.

You: That just shows there's someone out there that cares for me

Me: A needle in a haystack


You'd have to endure it all until you find the right person. Back to the point, most of us say "I'm strong" really means we expect others to be there for us. Our strength, is dependent and relies on the politeness of others.

I know there's going to be a few saying, "I don't care if my loved one, my parents, my children, and the world suddenly hates me and thinks I'm less than human, I'm going to be strong anyway". Even if that's true, if you are human, then you should be able to empathize and see the point, crystal clear.

You: But that's an extreme example!

Me: Human nature often reveals itself when things are taken to the extreme.


I mean, come on, the example doesn't make it any less true. Sure, some of us have our egos to protect, but let's not fool ourselves. We are strong because we expect others to be strong (relying on everyone not to feel as down as you, and commit collective suicide thus ending the human race).


Sometimes, that's how others feel, as if they have no one to talk to or truly take are of their problems. I've PMed with several members suffering from depression, some said they feel as if it's just a job to the therapist. I can understand their point, there's a big different between having a friend and having a therapist. Some feel as if they're a burden, I mean who really wants to keep waking up others at 3am when their emotions are skyrocketing? Everyone else have their lives to live as well.

I can empathize with people who commit suicide. Most of us have the potential to do it, and we're all different.
 
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Humans are naturally prejudiced conformist herd creatures. End of story, no amount of philosophy will ever change this. Genetic modification however? Yeah that can change it.

People in general rely on others to make them strong. Almost everyone (I would say absolutely everyone, but there may be exceptions) on this base has the potential to commit suicide.

We take people's kindness for granted. What if you (generally speaking) woke up and the world hated you? Everywhere you went, people called you disgusting, even cleaned everything you touched. We rely on people being friendly, we trust that there are caring humans out there. What happens if your family suddenly found you a disgusting piece of garbage as well?

Wait, I can amplify that...

Fast forward a bit, you meet one person who treats you like a god/goddess. In a few months/years, they treat you as horrible as the world.

You: That just shows there's someone out there that cares for me

Me: A needle in a haystack


You'd have to endure it all until you find the right person. Back to the point, most of us say "I'm strong" really means we expect others to be there for us. Our strength, is dependent and relies on the politeness of others.

I know there's going to be a few saying, "I don't care if my loved one, my parents, my children, and the world suddenly hates me and thinks I'm less than human, I'm going to be strong anyway". Even if that's true, if you are human, then you should be able to empathize and see the point, crystal clear.

You: But that's an extreme example!

Me: Human nature often reveals itself when things are taken to the extreme.


I mean, come on, the example doesn't make it any less true. Sure, some of us have our egos to protect, but let's not fool ourselves. We are strong because we expect others to be strong (relying on everyone not to feel as down as you, and commit collective suicide thus ending the human race).


Sometimes, that's how others feel, as if they have no one to talk to or truly take are of their problems. I've PMed with several members suffering from depression, some said they feel as if it's just a job to the therapist. I can understand their point, there's a big different between having a friend and having a therapist. Some feel as if they're a burden, I mean who really wants to keep waking up others at 3am when their emotions are skyrocketing? Everyone else have their lives to live as well.

I can empathize with people who commit suicide. Most of us have the potential to do it, and we're all different.
I value my own existence (pathetic as it may be) far to much to commit suicide for any reason, especially for other people and their own delusional behavior. I've faced that "precipice" and turned away.

Also regarding your examples, if the world hates a person by god I can say for myself that I could hate the world back a thousand fold more potently, and I would control it.

And after that eventually hate just gives away to apathy and contempt, truly the greatest defense against any form of wound against ones own psyche. Ego is also a great defense. I can honestly say that people acting their natural shallow selves just doesn't effect me now days.

And this particular example of this child being pushed to this extent is just one of many, it doesn't take much to attract attention to oneself by the "herd". Something as simple as having an odd name can cause endless trouble for a child. The greatest defense in this world is to make as little impact as possible, so that your existence is so small that no one can notice it or care to. For example I never express myself or my opinions unless I have an added defense like the internet.

I don't need other people to prop up my psyche. I understand I'm not the most "normal" person, I'm very insular, when I speak to people I'm not me, I'm just a person that everyone expects to exist. I say what people expect or want to hear as well. The only people that really "know" me are close family members. And even then I'm not sure if I act around them as well.

Maybe I'm in a constant state of depression that I can't feel it anymore. I've often found myself realizing I should feel depressed but do not feel it.

I feel that the parents of this child were either blind or not paying attention to this child, the fact that the child chose to deal with the problem in his own way is indicative that he did not trust anyone else to help him. I would guess he did not martyr himself because he wished to make a point he did so because he felt he had no choice.
 
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I hope this isn't a contest, but I would say that that kid had it easy compared to me, but that still doesn't mean that I would start being judgmental. We all have different tolerance compasses.
It's not about tolerance, it's about perspective and this kid blew it all way out of proportion. It was inferred that he was rather dramatic and he must be, to go to these lengths.

Hopefully he'll recover and hopefully, he'll have learnt something majorly important about life situations like these. In the meantime, the bullies should be put into line and be guilt-ridden.
 

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It's not about tolerance, it's about perspective and this kid blew it all way out of proportion. It was inferred that he was rather dramatic and he must be, to go to these lengths.

Hopefully he'll recover and hopefully, he'll have learnt something majorly important about life situations like these. In the meantime, the bullies should be put into line and be guilt-ridden.

Lawl you can't "guilt" bullies they are not "real" people. They would laugh and even if disciplined in the silence of their own minds they would continue to laugh, people like that are animals at their most basic. A vainer of civilization separates them from being savages.

There is no "changing" them, only extra coats of civilization can be painted on. If one does not have empathy they can't learn it.
 
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I value my own existence (pathetic as it may be) far to much to commit suicide for any reason, especially for other people and their own delusional behavior. I've faced that "precipice" and turned away.
I too value my own existence too much to commit suicide for reasons such as being disliked for my appearances, behavior, or status in life. Well, I can't imagine myself committing suicide for any reasons, actually.

Though I've had a verbally abusive stepfather, I've never been physically abused. I imagine the latter can leave some pretty deep scars, and not just the physical kind (I'm aware that verbal abuse can be scarring as well).

As for others around me. My quietness have been a deterrent. They were either too scared to physically engage me (I've been called weird/creepy for my introvert behavior), or they simply don't notice me. Any skirmishes I did get into, I was physically and mentally capable of brushing it off.

Having said that, I can certainly empathize with others who do get pushed to the edge. Generally speaking, people rely on others to make their life a good time.


Also regarding your examples, if the world hates a person by god I can say for myself that I could hate the world back a thousand fold more potently, and I would control it.

And after that eventually hate just gives away to apathy and contempt, truly the greatest defense against any form of wound against ones own psyche. Ego is also a great defense. I can honestly say that people acting their natural shallow selves just doesn't effect me now days.

And this particular example of this child being pushed to this extent is just one of many, it doesn't take much to attract attention to oneself by the "herd". Something as simple as having an odd name can cause endless trouble for a child. The greatest defense in this world is to make as little impact as possible, so that your existence is so small that no one can notice it or care to. For example I never express myself or my opinions unless I have an added defense like the internet.

I don't need other people to prop up my psyche. I understand I'm not the most "normal" person, I'm very insular, when I speak to people I'm not me, I'm just a person that everyone expects to exist. I say what people expect or want to hear as well. The only people that really "know" me are close family members. And even then I'm not sure if I act around them as well.

Maybe I'm in a constant state of depression that I can't feel it anymore. I've often found myself realizing I should feel depressed but do not feel it.
You sound like another member whose posts I've seen around/observed. Anyways, I can more or less agree with this, since I'm kind of the same way. I love people in general, and I'm very empathetic and sympathetic of them, but I don't count on them to make my world go round. What they think of me means little to nothing to me, nor do I care "to be someone" in this world. I'm comfortable with silently observing everyone, without giving them the leeway to observe me (though it's more natural than anything, I simply don't feel like expressing myself in public about 95% of the time).

I think a defense depends on the goals and nature of a person, for someone who is seeking to make a change in this world, privacy may not mean as much to them as it does for others. Some are even ready to die for others, be it for one person or a thousand. To get heard in this world, one has the option of becoming someone 'important', such a defense would be a hindrance to their goal.


It's no secret, everyone here that knows me knows that I don't have much interest in society. But, it'd be even more bland if everyone was like me. I can respect differences. They can do what they want (as long as it doesn't effect me beyond that which I am naturally effected, such as giving up certain freedoms just by being born). They have their goals and I have mine.

I love the people, but I'm apathetic of the world they created.


From experience on this site, I get the feeling this is going to slowly drift off-topic. So I'll just let this be. I hope I covered/replied to everything you wrote above.

I feel that the parents of this child were either blind or not paying attention to this child, the fact that the child chose to deal with the problem in his own way is indicative that he did not trust anyone else to help him. I would guess he did not martyr himself because he wished to make a point he did so because he felt he had no choice.

The parents said he told them, several times actually. What did they do about it? I don't know, in the video someone linked in this thread, they never said they did anything when he told them.

I agree that he most likely felt he couldn't trust anyone, or that he had no other choice. I mean he didn't just go, "I'm going to kill myself" when they initially started bullying him. Only after it kept repeating, and he even informed his parents on several occasions.
 
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You might think Michael's parents would be furious with the kids who were bullying their son, but then that wouldn't be in keeping with the show at the center of what they were teasing him about.

"It teaches the most basic moral values to a lot of complex thoughts," said Michael's step-father, Shannon Suttle.

Fans of the show, like Michael, try to live the motto that friendship is magic.

"I've heard a lot of people say you need to go after bullies and hold them responsible," said Tiffany. "But you know, I don't think that's what Mike would want. I would rather teach people how to do right than turn around than punish, because punishment doesn't always work."
I don't mean to hold parents responsible for the whole episode but they could have handled it better:


Stepfather Shannon Suttle said: "Michael was upset because the kids were calling him gay for liking a girls’ TV show.

"His mum and I told him that it didn’t matter what other people think. It only matters what he thinks."

Speaking to Chicago Now, Mr Suttle said: "He said to us that the other kids were telling him he was gay for loving Pinkie Pie and they were trying to make him feel ashamed for being gay.

"We said that we didn’t care if he was gay or straight; he was our son and we would love him."


They are trying to look better people by not going after bullies but somehow I think that their son did want them to stop being that passive and do help. They should have talked to the teacher, the principal or whoever they could reach when they found about it along with that lecture.

In fact I wonder if they thought they were being great parents and supportive saying "We said that we didn’t care if he was gay or straight; he was our son and we would love him"- but it comes out as if they agreed with the bullies and only told him that they won't mind if he was. :/

They are not going after bullies because they failed to address the issue properly while they had time themselves. I know it's just net and we don't have any idea what actually went on and I maybe wrong of course but the parent's reaction and statements I found are disappointing.
 
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I don't mean to hold parents responsible for the whole episode but they could have handled it better:






They are trying to look better people by not going after bullies but somehow I think that their son did want them to stop being that passive and do help. They should have talked to the teacher, the principal or whoever they could reach when they found about it along with that lecture.

In fact I wonder if they thought they were being great parents and supportive saying "We said that we didn’t care if he was gay or straight; he was our son and we would love him"- but it comes out as if they agreed with the bullies and only told him that they won't mind if he was. :/

They are not going after bullies because they failed to address the issue properly while they had time themselves. I know it's just net and we don't have any idea what actually went on and I maybe wrong of course but the parent's reaction and statements I found are disappointing.
That quote disgust me ,It feels like they care more about themselves and how they look more than their son who just tried to kill himself .
I hope i am wrong about them.
 
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That kid was hopeless, nonetheless.

But on a second note, why didn't the kid actually stand up for himself. I don't understand people these days.
 
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