100+ threads on Sage Mode and none of you get it WOW!

[EmperorIssun]

Re: So are you saying my thread on Sage Mode didnt get it?

I take offense to this, kind sir.



I'm not going to be an @$$ hole and link you to my forum. I'll just talk sh!t about your post since you talked sh!t about everyone else who posted about sage mode, like me. So i'll take this time to ask you about something you wrote in your "perfect post".

If anyone wants to read/reference my original post, it was yesterday named: "New 3 Legendary Sanin (Perfect Sage Mode)"

YOU STATED:

"A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone."

THEN STATED:

"I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages.."

SO I ASK:

Why are you assuming that his clan were "Perfect Sages"??? You definetally have NOT given any support evidence of how this happened. Its one thing to say they were Sages, I agree. Like you said, their bodies could naturally pick up nature chakra. But why would they have all been perfect sages in the past? Perfect Sage is something INCREDIBLY HARD to achieve. Of all these things NARUTO is the only person we have ever seen be a perfect Sage.

I'm saying all this because you never defined how their clan perfectly molded their chakra in the past to become perfect sages. I'd actually assume the opposite. There is a REASON we dont see any of Jugo's Clan around... they probably all killed eachother or got slaughtered like Kimmimaru's Clan did from their rampages. I see not one piece of evidence to suggest that they EVER mastered PERFECT Sage Mode. I'm sure their whole clan looked like imperfect dragons and got mad all the damn time tearing ISH up lol.

Which brings me to my next point... about everyone claiming Kabuto is a perfect sage. In my last post (yes, one of the 1000) I stated that Kabuto is NOT a perfect sage. He does NOT say that he is a perfect sage. He also has imperfections of a dragon. Not as many/much as someone like Jugo gets, but he has horns visibly sticking out the back of his head when he goes "Sage Mode". I think this is an imperfection of going sage mode without perfectly balancing all the chakra. Just a thought.




-gHost Senju

I assumed that they mastered Perfect Sage Mode because there has to be a reason they took on the form of a dragon when they transformed and went berserk. So the ancestors of Juugo's clan have the ability to absorb Natural Chakra correct? But they would take on the form of the dragon if no one before them went to learn it at Ryuchidou. So I assume they must have went to train in Ryuchidou, and perhaps would have mastered it, like Kabuto

 

[Qcks]

I don't know if some of this was directed towards me or not, but whatever. I don't know, I think it would make sense kind of if the curse seal made it so the user's body drew in Nature Chakra, without the user knowing that is what is actually happening. Maybe Orochimaru didn't even know that this was what was going on, since he probably couldn't see Nature Chakra either, since he never trained to become a Sage.

The curse seal is most definitely made from Orochimaru's Chakra, no doubt about that, and made from his information about Juugo's ability also. I'm not saying the seal was itself a Sage Jutsu, since Orochimaru didn't know how to use Senjutsu anyway...it just somehow made the users body absorb Nature Chakra while it was active somehow, and somehow controlled the process so the user wouldn't turn into a statue. No one who had the seal would know that the power he was getting was from Nature Chakra though. Obviously the curse seal is a lot weaker than actually using Senjutsu for real, since you are not consciously taking in the Chakra yourself and molding and balancing it with your own Chakra, it would not be true Senjutsu.

It wasn't directed at just you. it was meant as a general reply to the thread. There were several similar posts going at the same time, and it worked as a general response.

As for cursed seal info... i think we're pretty much in agreement about the generalities of it.
The cursed seal was developed by orochimaru based on research done on Juugo.
It's mentioned earlier in the series that the curse seal is checking for compatibility with orochimaru in some way, rather then drawing in nature chakra, but that's about as specific as it gets really.

The techniques that Orochimaru taught sasuke seem to be based on concepts of Senjutsu. I mean, Kirin utilizes energy released into the environment through ninjutsu to be able to produce a secondary elemental release that can't otherwise be accomplished. it's like getting 2 for the same chakra cost as one.

 

[Genkaku57]

This is an interesting post for those who didn't already know this. Well thought out although there are some errors. Please don't insult members of the site, you're being really rude. You have a good post but a horrible attitude which you need to work on.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

dude nice thread + rep and haters gonna hate i like that attitude , i question the intelligence of many ppl on here.

 

[Eisenpelz]

didn't have the time to read all replies so far,
so perhaps the following won't be a new idea.

but i think (aside the fact that what you say seems right to me)
that the sage mode could as well be a feature of every ninja that has
a contract with a summoning jutsu.
still it's hard to achive (need enough talent, strength, blabla)
and you most certainly will need guidance+training from+with the
elders of your animal-race.
so further on it means, that manda and his people
(the snakes, or dragons, since its said in that actual episode( i think) dragons are the superior form of snakes)
simply refused to help orochimaru learn that mode
(or he did not find the elders, (those evil snakes...))
what resulted in oros research in that direction.
led on and finally completed by kabuto.

so what u guys think?what do i not get?or would it be possible?

 

[Koibito]

It is fully explained in the manga. Where did u think I got the info from? Don't be mad at me because you can't interpret info as well as I can. Perhaps you should follow a less complex story

Dude, nice info but you're kinda being a dic-k

 

[marmariove]

Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.

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Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques).


MISCONCEPTIONS

Where a lot of you "READERS" are getting confused is with the information mention today.

It was previously known that Juugo is the original source of the Curse Seal and he can transform into this creature. Orochimaru took his DNA and created an enzyme (protein catalyst) that allows bearers to take on the same transformation as Juugo.

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We learn today that the transformation is a result of the bodies ability to take in Natural Chakra. Juugo and members of his clan can take in Natural Chakra, causing them to transform. However once they transform they go berserk.
What Orochimaru tried to discover was why they went berserk and how they acquired this ability. Orochimaru later discovered the source is the Ryuchidou (dragon cave).

What this means is that the transformation and the berserk nature is caused by taking in Natural Chakra, without fully balancing their own Chakra with the Natural Chakra.Their transformation is the same as turning into a frog, like nature did when he could not control the Natural Chakra. The source of their transformation is Ryuchidou, meaning that the members of Juugo's Clan are Dragon Sages, who could not achieve perfect Sage Mode. This would explain their berserk nature and animal characteristics. The reason I believe Juugo's ancestor's were had Perfect Sage Mode,Normally users would absorb Natural Chakra through meditation however, Juugo's Clan's ability allows them to take in Natural Chakra without doing so.

I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because
their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages. However for them to take on the form of a Dragon when they transform, it must mean their ancestors went to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou. But yeah that's just an assumption.

Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra. I came up with this conclusion because the Curse Seal is merely an Enzyme (speeding up the transformation) ,made from Juugo's DNA and it contains Orochimaru's Chakra (Kabuto stated that, when he Kidnapped Anko) meant to mimic Juugo's transformation.

The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou. Kabuto basically took on Orochimaru's plans and did everything Orochimaru couldn't do. Pretty impressive, but Orochimaru's research skills and experimental hypothesis are pretty amazing. Props to hims, screw Kabuto for mooching off him lawl

Just like Naruto, Kabuto acquires features from a dragon, which I would assume are the horns, since he implanted Orochimaru's cells in him, resulting in the same eyes and Orochimaru wasn't able to acquire Sage Mode.

Hope you have a better understanding, and be sure to actually read properly before you put up stupid threads

+ rep

 

[Athug]

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Read my post you arent the first to understand that so dont be a douche.

 

[wonderwho]

gooood theory

 

[IchIchiNaru]

It is fully explained in the manga. Where did u think I got the info from? Don't be mad at me because you can't interpret info as well as I can. Perhaps you should follow a less complex story

I like your explanation buuuuut, superiority complex, much?

You sound like that dude who was going crazy over Kabuto and his sage mode.

Set it down, boo.

 

[home]

nice info but your still an arsehole for sayning that Sh*t

 

[DeathByHugs]

Hahah I like your attitude towards everyone!!! I'm like that at school XD
And good info. Already new about it but I'm not really one for explaining ^_^

 

[Uzumaki Dan]

Umm wasnt the 3rd hodge a monkey sage?

 

[MacMiller]

Could have said it in a nicer way.

 

[narutodarkfox]

no he isnt he just summon him with contact though using a scoll

 

[EmperorIssun]

*I understand a lot of you have a problem with my attitude, but at first I was just trolling the ppl who wrote these ridiculous Sage Mode Threads. Honestly after a new chapter comes out some ppl write some ridiculous sh*t and its really really annoying. I was trying to be playful about it, but it seems I've appeared to be some kind of negative figure. Oh well, I guess for some of u its your first time meeting a troll on the internet. Well here's a lesson. Not all negativity should be taken to the heart. Honestly, why so serious?

 

[EmperorIssun]

Re: So are you saying my thread on Sage Mode didnt get it?

It doesn't say that the curse seal is made from Juugo's DNA, please show me a page with that. Yes Orochimaru obviously researched Juugo's body to get information to MAKE the curse seal, but it doesn't say it is made from his actual DNA. Actually it DOES say that the curse seal is made from Orochimaru's CHAKRA. And that is a FACT. The most recent chapter is obviously not translated 100% perfect into English, so I am waiting to get a better translation before we can understand exactly wtf Kabuto is talking about.



Well, I don't see how Orochimaru couldn't absorb Nature Chakra without Juugo's DNA. Naruto can do it, he doesn't have Juugo's DNA, and before you go and say it is because he is an Uzumaki or some shit, Jiraiya obviously did it also, and he doesn't have either DNA. I would think the Curse Seal simply lets the user's body absorb Nature Chakra without the user actually knowing that is what is happening, and that Orochimaru simply designed it in such a way that it is controlled and wouldn't turn the user into a stone statue. The reason why most people die when receiving it is simply because only the people with enough Chakra to counteract and balance the Nature Chakra being absorbed will survive.

Kabuto didn't say that the curse seal was a fake, he said is was a "pretentious trick". Which further backs up my statement that the seal allows the users body to absorb Nature Chakra while active without the user actually knowing what it going on. It is a "trick" because if you don't know how to actually absorb Nature Chakra and control it, it is not nearly the same thing as actually knowing how to use Sage Mode.



I would assume Orochimaru couldn't use Sage Mode anymore was because of what happened during his fight with the 3rd Hokage, not because he didn't have Juugo's DNA in himself. Again, why would he need Juugo's DNA? Even if it is a "Dragon" Sage Mode, it still is Sage Mode, and you don't need some special DNA to be able to absorb Nature Chakra, you just need to learn how to feel it, and have high enough Chakra to balance out the Nature Chakra. Orochimaru definitely had high enough Chakra at one time to do this, but maybe not in his current state because of the 3rd. Not every body can handle Sage Mode, that is why he was looking for a good host to take over. Even if Orochimaru had enough Chakra of his own to balance out the Nature Chakra, he wasn't in his original body anymore. So he was simply using the curse seal to make that users body absorb Nature Chakra to see if they were able to use it, which would mean he would be able to also. It has nothing to do with HAVING to ABSOLUTELY have Juugo's DNA to use Sage Mode. He just used Juugo's ability through the curse seal to find out who is capable of using it, it is obviously a lot easier and faster to find out who can use it doing it that way instead of teaching every single person Sage Mode and see if they can do it or not.

Another reason obviously is because Orochimaru wanted a body that was perfect, that he could use to be an ultimate being, and this was just one jutsu that he needed to accomplish that. Also, it was never said that Orochimaru actually even FOUND the Dragon Cave. So that is ANOTHER reason why he wasn't even able to use Sage Mode. Kabuto was obviously with Orochimaru all of the time, and would know of EVERYTHING that he did and where he went to. So why would Kabuto say "I FINALLY FOUND IT, THE LEGENDARY PLACE EQUALLY AS FAMOUS AS MYOUBUKUZAN...etc, etc". That would seem to me that if Kabuto finally found it just recently, that Orochimaru obviously was never there. Sure Orochimaru knew that the place is where Juugo's Sage Mode originated from, but he could never get there.

Again, YOUR theory is not based on FACTS either. You are just assuming stuff. Just like how you are assuming that Juugo, Karin, and Suigetsu all have KG's. You do know that a KG is the ability to combine two Elemental Chakras together correct? What they are doing is definitely NOT combining Chakras. Yes their abilities are unique, but that doesn't mean you NEED their DNA to use them. Shikamaru's Kage jutsu is unique, do you need his DNA to use it? No. It just seems that all these abilities that the 3 have are just jutsu passed down in their clans, that is a closely guarded secret on how to use, but obviously if you knew how to use it you can. He did lots of research on all of these people, he knows how their abilities work. But it doesn't mean it is a genetic trait. It could just be a Kinjutsu for their clans. It hasn't been specifically stated yet. We are BOTH making assumptions. I don't see why Karin's healing thing HAS to be a genetic trait, it doesn't seem like something someone couldn't learn if they knew how to do it. Same with Suigetsu's, sure his body turns into water, but it could just be a kinjutsu from the Houzoki(however you spell it) clan. Kakuzu had an ability that turned his body into a very hard material(can't remember what it was exactly), that was an Earth jutsu obviously. Maybe it is the same type of thing for Suigetsu, but it would obviously be a Water based jutsu instead.

The only weird one is Juugo's ability, that could go either way. I still don't see why it matters though, if you know how to absorb Nature Chakra you can absorb it. You don't need the DNA from Juugo's clan to do it. If it indeed constantly absorbs it, then that would be the only benefit. Well maybe not even a benefit, as other people have said, sure you can probably stay in Sage Mode for a little longer, but you are still using your own Chakra, which would make the balancing act of the 3 Chakras unstable, and make you lose Sage Mode. Do we even know if Juugo CONSTANTLY absorbs Nature Chakra anyway? Yes he obviously absorbs it when he goes berserk, but does he CONSTANTLY absorb it even when he is normal? I don't know, I would think he would show some signs if he was. Maybe it is just easier for him to absorb, not that he just always absorbs it. That and he is absorbing it without him knowing what it is, which is the reason for the Curse Seal.





At least someone knows what they are talking about. +rep to you sir.

Hey can you make ur argument shorter, I feel like I'm wasting my life reading it.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Nice... pretty informative thread, +reps