100+ threads on Sage Mode and none of you get it WOW!

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This thread has some good info, but not everything in here 100% verifiable. If you disagree with ssomeone in the thread, simply state why without makin a personal attack. The people who disagree.

Because of stuff said in earlier chapters, the curse seal didn't affect a person's ability to manipulate nature chakra.
The curse seal was a technique developed by orochimaru, based on senjutsu, that allowed him to determine compattibility of others with he himself. If you lived through orochimaru's curse mark, you were compatible with oro's chakra.
The technique was developed by studying juugo's sage ability, but the curse seal it's self wasn't a sage technique.

Least that's what I think til I see an endorsed translation that contradicts kabuto's early statements about the curse marks(the ones that were made back when the sound four abducted sasuke).

I'm curious to see how toad mode and snake mode are different.
 

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Thanks for clearing it out, you finally beat some sense into people :lol:

But i would like to add, kabuto dragon mode or dragon sage mode is better than naruto's sage mode because he have jugo's ability to absorb nature chakra without meditation.

and kabuto stole karin's DNA to heal himself (nothing more)

and kabuto stole suigetsu's dna to get the ability of becoming liquid.

but still ,even after all these abilities... he is still pure FAIL.
i would've appreciated if he did not stole others abilities and get something of his own.

Kabuto you are still a fail :p
 

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I imagine that there's some serious barrier to the use of snakesagemode that kabuto isn't talking about, so saying it's better then toadsagemode is kind of rabid fanboyism til we know more details.

Maybe the water snake forms that he's leaving behind mark out areas he can operate normally. Outside that area maybe something bad happens.

I'm willing to bet that the constant inflow of nature chakra is why kabuto isn't worried about genjutsu. If it takes concentration, he'd still be impacted by genjutsu.
That's speculation though.
 

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This thread has some good info, but not everything in here 100% verifiable. If you disagree with ssomeone in the thread, simply state why without makin a personal attack. The people who disagree.

Because of stuff said in earlier chapters, the curse seal didn't affect a person's ability to manipulate nature chakra.
The curse seal was a technique developed by orochimaru, based on senjutsu, that allowed him to determine compattibility of others with he himself. If you lived through orochimaru's curse mark, you were compatible with oro's chakra.
The technique was developed by studying juugo's sage ability, but the curse seal it's self wasn't a sage technique.

Least that's what I think til I see an endorsed translation that contradicts kabuto's early statements about the curse marks(the ones that were made back when the sound four abducted sasuke).

I'm curious to see how toad mode and snake mode are different.
I don't know if some of this was directed towards me or not, but whatever. I don't know, I think it would make sense kind of if the curse seal made it so the user's body drew in Nature Chakra, without the user knowing that is what is actually happening. Maybe Orochimaru didn't even know that this was what was going on, since he probably couldn't see Nature Chakra either, since he never trained to become a Sage.

The curse seal is most definitely made from Orochimaru's Chakra, no doubt about that, and made from his information about Juugo's ability also. I'm not saying the seal was itself a Sage Jutsu, since Orochimaru didn't know how to use Senjutsu anyway...it just somehow made the users body absorb Nature Chakra while it was active somehow, and somehow controlled the process so the user wouldn't turn into a statue. No one who had the seal would know that the power he was getting was from Nature Chakra though. Obviously the curse seal is a lot weaker than actually using Senjutsu for real, since you are not consciously taking in the Chakra yourself and molding and balancing it with your own Chakra, it would not be true Senjutsu.
 

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good info from you bro but i wanted to ask just one thing that if kabuto has an affinity with "Snakes" and he trained under the white "SNAKE" sage so why he is in dragon sage mode rather than snake sage mode.
 

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Oh, your sooo badass...NOT. Its cool and all that you took your time and researched this..but dont gota be a douche about it, kid.
 

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@ OP:

Wow! good job there! I had completely forgotten that Oro was worried about bodies being compatible with the cursed seal! :) + rep!

Agreed. also saw a thread earlier today that could tie into this. The Only two perfect sages we've seen so far have Uzumaki DNA. Meaning that the reason Jugo's clan acquired the natural energy and went beserk is because their bodies weren't stable enough to withstand it. Which is why Kabuto stole DNA from karin in order to achieve what Orochimaru couldn't; be a perfect sage.
This may also turn out to be true! :) + rep to YOU sir!
 
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Very nice thread! You have fully explained (shouldn't of been needed imo) but should appear helpful for those that didn't know.

In particular I liked the bit you mentioned on how Oro was finding a body that could sustain and benefit from the curse mark, because the one that could, he wanted :) Didn't link them dots together, so was nice :)
 

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Thanks for putting this.

I couldn't bare all the "Sage Mode" threads so I haven't been on in a few days.

Seriously guys? Don't get so irritated at him, sure he may have been a douche, but he's at least reliable.. Also he's just stating what you guys were doing with the Sage Mode Threads, sorry, but the truth hurts.

Anyways, +rep for you sir and Mr. Chappy over there.
 

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Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.


Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques).


MISCONCEPTIONS

Where a lot of you "READERS" are getting confused is with the information mention today.

It was previously known that Juugo is the original source of the Curse Seal and he can transform into this creature. Orochimaru took his DNA and created an enzyme (protein catalyst) that allows bearers to take on the same transformation as Juugo.


We learn today that the transformation is a result of the bodies ability to take in Natural Chakra. Juugo and members of his clan can take in Natural Chakra, causing them to transform. However once they transform they go berserk.
What Orochimaru tried to discover was why they went berserk and how they acquired this ability. Orochimaru later discovered the source is the Ryuchidou (dragon cave).

What this means is that the transformation and the berserk nature is caused by taking in Natural Chakra, without fully balancing their own Chakra with the Natural Chakra.Their transformation is the same as turning into a frog, like nature did when he could not control the Natural Chakra. The source of their transformation is Ryuchidou, meaning that the members of Juugo's Clan are Dragon Sages, who could not achieve perfect Sage Mode. This would explain their berserk nature and animal characteristics. The reason I believe Juugo's ancestor's were had Perfect Sage Mode,Normally users would absorb Natural Chakra through meditation however, Juugo's Clan's ability allows them to take in Natural Chakra without doing so.

I would assume that the ancestors of Juugo's were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode because
their descendants, who transform and take on the form of a Dragon when they absorb Natural Chakra are Imperfect Sages. However for them to take on the form of a Dragon when they transform, it must mean their ancestors went to learn Sage Mode in Ryuchidou. But yeah that's just an assumption.

Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra. I came up with this conclusion because the Curse Seal is merely an Enzyme (speeding up the transformation) ,made from Juugo's DNA and it contains Orochimaru's Chakra (Kabuto stated that, when he Kidnapped Anko) meant to mimic Juugo's transformation.

The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou. Kabuto basically took on Orochimaru's plans and did everything Orochimaru couldn't do. Pretty impressive, but Orochimaru's research skills and experimental hypothesis are pretty amazing. Props to hims, screw Kabuto for mooching off him lawl :p

Just like Naruto, Kabuto acquires features from a dragon, which I would assume are the horns, since he implanted Orochimaru's cells in him, resulting in the same eyes and Orochimaru wasn't able to acquire Sage Mode.

Hope you narutobase members have a better understanding, and be sure to actually read properly before you put up stupid threads :)
there you are no longer insulting people and i allready new this because ive also done research on it
 

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Thanks for putting this.

I couldn't bare all the "Sage Mode" threads so I haven't been on in a few days.

Seriously guys? Don't get so irritated at him, sure he may have been a douche, but he's at least reliable.. Also he's just stating what you guys were doing with the Sage Mode Threads, sorry, but the truth hurts.

Anyways, +rep for you sir and Mr. Chappy over there.
When Someone Posts Good Info ( Which He/She Did), And Then Something Mean Right After ( Which He/She Did ), People Tend To Give Some Attention To The Insult, Maybe Even More Than The Info
 
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