100+ threads on Sage Mode and none of you get it WOW!

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I thought ryuchidou was just a cave.Not a real dragon.
It is a place, where Sage Mode can be learned, like Mount Myoboku. Ofcourse the Sage Mode needs to take a form, so because Juugo's Clan learnt it at Ryuchidou, they take on the form of a Dragon

Yes, I knew this already.

Though, people aren't very bright on the Base, so you did well in explaining it.

Keep in mind also that Orochimaru knew about Madara and the Rinnegan.

I theorize that Sage mode + Rinnegan = Sage of Six Path's power.

The body + dojutsu.
Congratz, you're able to read and interpret information. You're probably going somewhere in life.
 
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So my question to you then is this... Has Kabuto now become a permanent Incomplete Sage due to his body forever taking in Natural Chakra and him not being able to balance it? Thus his continued Snake like appearance aside from when he stops moving and is able to perfectly balance - Thus this whole new... Dragon Sage Mode we're seeing now.

I know you're probably going to reference or bring in the Manga Page about the White Snake and Orochimaru, but do keep in mind that Orochimaru only ever took on an appearance similar to Kabuto's in his fight with Sasuke where he was killed and unlike Kabuto, it never appeared to be a permanent appearance.
 

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So my question to you then is this... Has Kabuto now become a permanent Incomplete Sage due to his body forever taking in Natural Chakra and him not being able to balance it? Thus his continued Snake like appearance aside from when he stops moving and is able to perfectly balance - Thus this whole new... Dragon Sage Mode we're seeing now.

I know you're probably going to reference or bring in the Manga Page about the White Snake and Orochimaru, but do keep in mind that Orochimaru only ever took on an appearance similar to Kabuto's in his fight with Sasuke where he was killed and unlike Kabuto, it never appeared to be a permanent appearance.
Orochimaru's white snake appearance is a jutsu that allows him to take over other bodies. Kabuto is a Perfect Sage because he has acquired, Juugo's ability to absorb Natural Chakra and he has trained in Ryuchidou. Regarding Kabuto's appearance I would assume its his true form. If you recall when Kabuto kidnapped Yamato, He broke out of his "skin" and revealed his true form which took on the appearance of a snake, however he was able to revert to a more human looking state when he was with Tobi.
 

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But why would a perfect Sage have such a differing and non-human appearance? The difference between Jiraiya and Naruto in Sage Mode was amazing, because Jiraiya literally looked like a Frog and we learn that his Sage Mode isn't completed - Then we have Kabuto who uses a Dragon Sage Mode and his actual physical resemblance leans more towards that of a Dragon than it does of a Human similar to Naruto.
 

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But why would a perfect Sage have such a differing and non-human appearance? The difference between Jiraiya and Naruto in Sage Mode was amazing, because Jiraiya literally looked like a Frog and we learn that his Sage Mode isn't completed - Then we have Kabuto who uses a Dragon Sage Mode and his actual physical resemblance leans more towards that of a Dragon than it does of a Human similar to Naruto.
If you look Kabuto's current form, you can see he has a human shaped body. His eyes and skin take on a serpent like appearance because of Orochimaru's cells. The actual Sage Mode features would be his horns (or the markings on his back unless he always had them)
 

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If you look Kabuto's current form, you can see he has a human shaped body. His eyes and skin take on a serpent like appearance because of Orochimaru's cells. The actual Sage Mode features would be his horns (or the markings on his back unless he always had them)
If you look the black marking on his back are coming from his eyes. Just as Naruto get's the Orange-ish tinting around his eyes, Kabuto gets the black(or whatever color it actually is since it hasn't been shown in color) tinting around his eyes, but that also extends down to his neck and onto his back. Which if you think about it would signal a perfect sage transformation if we go by what Naruto looks like. His skin looks like that because of Orochimaru, not sage mode. If you take that away, it will just be his eyes and the black markings that transform, which would be perfect sage mode. Well I guess his horns to, but that could just be unique to a perfect snake sage mode.
 

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Fair enough... I can definitely see where you're coming from, I was curious as to what your input on the question would be.

Thanks.
For all I know, he could be still be Imperfect and Kabuto could be riding on his Ego. However the information Kishi has given us provides conclusive evidence that he is indeed a perfect Sage.

And No Prob thanks for reading :)
 

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SO FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DONT GET IT YET. IN CONCLUSION KABUTO USES JUGGO'S ABILTY TO GATHER NATURAL ENERGY INSTEAD OF GATHERING IT BY SKILL IT'S A ROUND ABOUT METHOD TO USE SENJUTSU.

its fail for that reason but im sure it will be just as strong as naruto's sm. another interesting thing to think about could i be that that buttsnake kabuto has is merged with him helping him continuously gather natural energy kinda like j man's sm
 
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So for ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DONT GET IT YET. IN CONCLUSION KABUTO USES JUGGO'S ABILTY TO GATHER NATURAL ENERGY INSTEAD TO GATHERING IT MY SKILL IT'S A ROUND ABOUT METHOD TO USE SENJUTSU.

its fail for that reason but im sure it will be just as strong as naruto's sm. another interesting thing to think about could i be that that buttsnake kabuto is merged with him helping him continuously gather natural energy kinda like j man's sm
Um...no? He went to the Dragon Cave and learned how to use Sage Mode from the Sage White Snake? It says so in the manga...he didn't just miraculously take Juugo's body or something and then he somehow absorbs Nature Chakra and knows how to use it. He trained to use it just like Naruto did. The whole thing with Juugo's ability...it implies that the reason he KNEW about Dragon Sage Mode is BECAUSE of Juugo, and that is why he went to the Dragon Cave.
 

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Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.


Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques).


MISCONCEPTIONS

Where a lot of you "READERS" are getting confused is with the information mention today.

It was previously known that Juugo is the original source of the Curse Seal and he can transform into this creature. Orochimaru took his DNA and created an enzyme (protein catalyst) that allows bearers to take on the same transformation as Juugo.


We learn today that the transformation is a result of the bodies ability to take in Natural Chakra. Juugo and members of his clan can take in Natural Chakra, causing them to transform. However once they transform they go berserk.
What Orochimaru tried to discover was why they went berserk and how they acquired this ability. Orochimaru later discovered the source is the Ryuchidou (dragon cave).

What this means is that the transformation and the berserk nature is caused by taking in Natural Chakra, without fully balancing their own Chakra with the Natural Chakra.Their transformation is the same as turning into a frog, like nature did when he could not control the Natural Chakra. The source of their transformation is Ryuchidou, meaning that the members of Juugo's Clan are Dragon Sages, who could not achieve perfect Sage Mode. This would explain their berserk nature and animal characteristics. Normally users would absorb Natural Chakra through meditation however, Juugo's Clan's ability allows them to take in Natural Chakra without doing so.

Orochimaru attempted to acquire perfect Sage Mode, however he did not have ability to absorb Natural Chakra like Juugo could. Therefore he developed the Curse Seal to allow the bearer to mimic Juugo's causing the bearer to mimic Juugo's transformation. Since Kabuto said the Curse Seal was fake, I would assume that means the Curse Seal allows the transformation to occur, however it is a result of Orochimaru's Chakra, not Natural Chakra. I came up with this conclusion because the Curse Seal is merely an Enzyme (speeding up the transformation) ,made from Juugo's DNA and it contains Orochimaru's Chakra (Kabuto stated that, when he Kidnapped Anko) meant to mimic Juugo's transformation.

The Curse Seal was Orochimaru's way of searching for a body compatible with Juugo's ability to transform, so he could implant them with Juugo's ability and take over the body, which would allow him to absorb Natural Chakra so he could acquire Sage Mode later in Ryuchidou. Kabuto basically took on Orochimaru's plans and did everything Orochimaru couldn't do. Pretty impressive, but Orochimaru's research skills and experimental hypothesis are pretty amazing. Props to hims, screw Kabuto for mooching off him lawl :p

Just like Naruto, Kabuto acquires features from a dragon, which I would assume are the horns, since he implanted Orochimaru's cells in him, resulting in the same eyes and Orochimaru wasn't able to acquire Sage Mode.

Hope you losers have a better understanding, and be sure to actually read properly before you put up stupid threads :)
Thank you +rep
 

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Um...no? He went to the Dragon Cave and learned how to use Sage Mode from the Sage White Snake? It says so in the manga...he didn't just miraculously take Juugo's body or something and then he somehow absorbs Nature Chakra and knows how to use it. He trained to use it just like Naruto did. The whole thing with Juugo's ability...it implies that the reason he KNEW about Dragon Sage Mode is BECAUSE of Juugo, and that is why he went to the Dragon Cave.
Dude stop commenting on my thread. You got it all wrong. I put out all the info to explain what happen. Actually read before u flippin comment. :sy:

Orochimaru traced back origin to Juugo's ability to Ryuchido, where the ancestors of Juugo's clan learned Sage Mode. I assume that they were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode and it's just their descendants like Juugo, who can't balance the Natural Chakra their body absorbs resulting in their berserk nature and animal features. Orochimaru took Juugo's DNA to acquire the ability to absorb Natural Chakra, so that he could go to Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode.
 

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Dude stop commenting on my thread. You got it all wrong. I put out all the info to explain what happen. Actually read before u flippin comment. :sy:

Orochimaru traced back origin to Juugo's ability to Ryuchido, where the ancestors of Juugo's clan learned Sage Mode. I assume that they were able to achieve Perfect Sage Mode and it's just their descendants like Juugo, who can't balance the Natural Chakra their body absorbs resulting in their berserk nature and animal features. Orochimaru took Juugo's DNA to acquire the ability to absorb Natural Chakra, so that he could go to Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode.
How about you assume that I didn't read the thread, since I read every thread I comment on. You don't need Juugo's DNA to absorb Nature Chakra. Where does it even say that Kabuto implanted Juugo's DNA into himself? It was just him researching Juugo's abilities that led him to the Ryuchidou. Doesn't mean he needs to implant his DNA to use it.

Plus I was responding to another person anyway who said something. Not you. If YOU actually read the thread I posted something above agreeing with you and saying how Kabuto is indeed in a Perfect sage mode. I just don't agree on that point I made in the above paragraph. Stop commenting in your thread? That's the stupidest shit I have ever heard. What do you only want people who agree with you and think your amazing to post?
 
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Um...no? He went to the Dragon Cave and learned how to use Sage Mode from the Sage White Snake? It says so in the manga...he didn't just miraculously take Juugo's body or something and then he somehow absorbs Nature Chakra and knows how to use it. He trained to use it just like Naruto did. The whole thing with Juugo's ability...it implies that the reason he KNEW about Dragon Sage Mode is BECAUSE of Juugo, and that is why he went to the Dragon Cave.
ok ok but you dont have proof that he didn't use juggo's ability to help absorb yes it implies dsm and the dragon cave but it did run on the theme that he absorbed his teammates abilities... for a matter of fact he even said if you are weak absorb other people's abilities or something along those lines. remember not mentioning something does mean it doesn't exist. so even tho the manga doesn't say he used juggo's abilities to help master sage mode doesn't mean he didn't. all im saying is kabuto most likely had the help of juggo's ability to gather natural energy and then went through training to manage it. i don't believe kabuto has the natural skill/chakra reserves to manage it solo by himself, i think he mastered it with he help juggo's ability of gathering nature easily, but trained to control it at the dragon cave
 

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ok ok but you dont have proof that he didn't use juggo's ability to help absorb yes it implies dsm and the dragon cave but it did run on the theme that he absorbed his teammates abilities... for a matter of fact he even said if you are weak absorb other people's abilities or something along those lines. remember not mentioning something does mean it doesn't exist. so even tho the manga doesn't say he used juggo's abilities to help master sage mode doesn't mean he didn't. all im saying is kabuto most likely had the help of juggo's ability to gather natural energy and then went through training to manage it. i don't believe kabuto has the natural skill/chakra reserves to manage it solo by himself, i think he mastered it with he help juggo's ability of gathering nature easily, but trained to control it at the dragon cave
Yea I understand that, but the way I took it is that he just stole Karin, Suigetsu, and Juugo's jutsu's, not their DNA. I mean you can learn how to do a jutsu, it doesn't say anywhere that those three's jutsu's are KGs, so Kabuto should be able to copy them anyway. And Kabuto normally wouldn't have the chakra reserves to do it by himself, but he DOES have Orochimaru in him now, which would obviously give him a HUGE boost of chakra, since I think we can agree that Oro did have an insane amount of chakra. That might be enough itself.
 

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The flaw in the "can't control nature chakra" by Juugo's clan has a flaw...as far as we know Juugo himself goes berserk because he's bi-polar...that was meantioned recently...I don't have the link at the moment...
 

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Ok so I've read a lot of threads on Sage Mode and someone has yet to explain it properly.

Sage Mode is a form achieved through taking in Natural Chakra and being able to balance it within the body, allow with ones own chakra (spirit and body). A perfect balance will result in a perfect Sage Mode, which as you know is achieved by Naruto. An imperfect balance achieved can still result in a Sage Mode, however the user takes on animal features as seen with Jiraiya. Inability to control Natural Chakra result in the user turning into an animal (in Naruto's Case), then stone.

Once Sage Mode is achieved the user can use the Natural Chakra to perform Senjutsu (Sage Techniques). :)
I just explained this in a thread where some idiot thought Kabuto's Sage mode was better because he thought Kabuto could maintain it indefinetly. Glad to see there is someone else on this site who has the intelligence to remember the older chapters and correct morons who dont.
 
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