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100% Kyuubi = EMS Madara PS
 

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100% Kyuubi = EMS Madara PS

Then Complete Kurama BM Naruto > EMS Madara PS
and Complete Kurama BSM Naruto >> EMS Madara PS

also Complete Kurama BSM Naruto >> Base Hashirama
Complete Kurama BSM Naruto >= SM Hashirama
 

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I am not comparing Current Naruto to this version of Naruto saying that latter would be better in a fight or anything , I said he would have more chakra . Current Naruto indeed gained the Nine tailed beasts powers and that gives him a lot of destruction power, techniques and variations , but a huge Lava Rasenshuriken shouldnt be that much ahead of a normal rasenshuriken used with the same amount of chakra and in BSM. There is not such things as weaker Senjutsu though . I just go by the flow by guessing the Sage one is better , as otherwise I'd get bombarded by dumb responses constantly , but all Senjutsus are equals, there are just the ways to exploit Nature's chakra. It only absorb the Nature chakra, and the feats you display in SM also depends of your own power itself as you mix your own chakra to the nature energy , the more you can put and the more you receive SM . Frog SM has not been proven to absorb more or less than DSM etc , and the Sage SM is the result of All nine beasts chakra (portions) + Sage mode + A part of Hagoromo's chakra .



BSM Potential really has never been shown . Naruto could create equal techniques to giants tbbs . Base Naruto has been able to produce that even after all the fights including the one with Jin Obito, lets imagine what this hypothetical one could .
With a good starting distance, clones , and intel on Sasuke having teleportation , I believe Naruto would take Current Sasuke down .

Well why do you believe that the sage's senjutsu is equal to Naruto's toad senjutsu? As far as I know being able to absorb more senjutsu just increases the duration of sage mode, not give the user bonus attributes. But if you don't believe this Naruto could beat current naruto then I don't have nothing really to say. I still can't see this naruto beating current Sasuke since I don't believe he can't react to Sasuke's S/T technique since he was having trouble with Juubito.

@ bold: Not sure where you get this idea from.
 

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Well why do you believe that the sage's senjutsu is equal to Naruto's toad senjutsu? As far as I know being able to absorb more senjutsu just increases the duration of sage mode, not give the user bonus attributes. But if you don't believe this Naruto could beat current naruto then I don't have nothing really to say. I still can't see this naruto beating current Sasuke since I don't believe he can't react to Sasuke's S/T technique since he was having trouble with Juubito.

@ bold: Not sure where you get this idea from.

What is Hagoromo's Sage mode exactly ? Naruto received multiple powerups. He already had and knew Frog Sage mode, he then received in death all tailed beats portions from Obito, the only last thing he needed was the Sage chakra . He had BSM prior to it and with only Kyubi's chakra, So I guess all he required was Hagoromo's chakra and the nine beasts to manifest RSM and thats the only things that were missing right? Otherwise why didnt he awaken it before?

The more you absorb it and the more powerful your techniques would get as you would have more chakra to put in it . KCM Naruto's speed & strength relies on the Kyubi chakra, more of it + more Nature chakra canalised would increase his strength, speed and overall power
 
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Well why do you believe that the sage's senjutsu is equal to Naruto's toad senjutsu? As far as I know being able to absorb more senjutsu just increases the duration of sage mode, not give the user bonus attributes. But if you don't believe this Naruto could beat current naruto then I don't have nothing really to say. I still can't see this naruto beating current Sasuke since I don't believe he can't react to Sasuke's S/T technique since he was having trouble with Juubito.

@ bold: Not sure where you get this idea from.

Juubito have faster speed than Sasuke, even though Sasuke can teleport to Naruto and Naruto to him, his physical speed haven't increase to really high levels where as Naruto dodged A's fastest attack at point blank range. A>Sasuke in speed and Sasuke had no training or body power up to increase his speed, the only thing that could possibly increase Sasuke's speed is the Sage's Senjutsu but even then Naruto's KM speed is compared to alive Minato's FTG speed which is a flash. We already seen that Speedster> Sharingan users who lack the speed to react. Naruto has speed, reflexes and sensory ability to prevent being hit and Kishionly had Naruto use his speed about 5x or else the story couldn't progress how Kishi wanted it which was how we have it now.

You do know Naruto have been in intense training then went to war with little rest by the time Juubito came, he would be feeling mental strains as well as physical ones as war does affect people mentally. We see Naruto affected when he starts to lose hope after Neji died and after having his chakra absorbed by the God Tree and the alliance did so a couple of times and we had Sakura, Shikamaru, and Hashirama all pep talking them at different times as well as Naruto's past giving them hope. Naruto was barely at half his power when he was fighting Juubito with BSM as he borrowed chakra from Yin Kurama both times since Yang Kurama was low or out so Naruto have been fighting on par with EMS Sasuke even though he was roughly at half his power and not mentally and physically 100% due to fighting for days.

Madara compared PS to a Bijuu in destructive power, we see Naruto BM power compared to 5 fully powered Bijuus and this is after he used all of his KM chakra and was totally exhausted prior. BM have the defensive power to withstand the Juubi's tbb laser so Sasuke's PS slash isn't doing damage when the Juubi destructive power is much greater than both PS and all Bijuus single handily. Naruto made 4 BM at a point so being attacked from 4 different directions at any given time will be too much for Sasuke. Oh and BSM Naruto is capable of using the FRS-tbb as it was using the power of Kurama and Naruto already know how to use both moves (tbb, FRS) so all he needs to do is combine it and Current Naruto didn't train to learn it, he used his pass training in both jutsus to combined them.
 

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100% Kyuubi = EMS Madara PS

Madara stated PS=Bijuu in power

Naruto shown BM = 5 Bijuus in power

Therefore BM Naruto > PS in power

That's only Yang Kurama mine you, full Kurama would be much much stronger. Madara can't use Kurama's power as Naruto can since a Jinchuuriki can better focus the Bijuu's power.
 

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Stronger than all of the characters in his tier, but weaker than the strongest ones (Hagoromo, Kaguya, Rikudou Naruto or Sasuke, Madara, Kakashi)..
 

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Madara stated PS=Bijuu in power

Naruto shown BM = 5 Bijuus in power

Therefore BM Naruto > PS in power

That's only Yang Kurama mine you, full Kurama would be much much stronger. Madara can't use Kurama's power as Naruto can since a Jinchuuriki can better focus the Bijuu's power.

You forget to mention which versions of the characters you're talking about . If anything, EMS Madara's PS is superior to Yang Kurama BM. Complete Kurama avatar is yet to be seen , as Rinnegan Madara's PS . Madara's PS has not fully be displayed as Edos aren't at full power.
 

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100% Kuruma's Bijuudama didn't even scratch Madara's unstabilized PS, and that would be 100% BSM Naruto's strongest offence.

So there's definitely no unfair advantage. Besides, Sasuke uses a concentrated fight style, which is the antipode to Naruto's.
A Bijuu + Jinchuriki is far stronger than the Bijuu alone. 50% Kurama + Naruto surpasses all other Bijuu. 100% Kurama + Naruto is a stomp. And if anything, Naruto's style serves as the kryptonite to Sasuke's,
You act as if Naruto would be able to fire a fully charged TBB.
He can. He fired them in a mere second several times.

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He even added Senjutsu to a Bijuu Dama before Juubito was able to fire it before Obito summoned the Juubi
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Sasuke's arrow's are too fast, not to mention amaterasu as well.
Obito blocked them with Chakra Rods and Kakashi with Kamui before Rikudou chakra boost, as well as them being flat dodged by Sage Mode users.
Never was I talking about Naruto or his clones dodging. Naruto will be stationary when charging a TBB. I said is arrows are too fast for RS. Learn how to read.
His arrows are not too fast as Toad Sage sensing + BM speed easily evades them. Plus Sasuke won't know which Naruto is the real one when there's a ton of clones firing them up.
 
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He'd be stronger, yes. But no, he is still far out of Juubito's league.
 
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