[Spoilers] 0th Division
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kotoamatsukami
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So you've seen how strong zero squad is? and you saying it doesn't matter that's legit isn't it my bad I thought Kubo plotted the story but I guess I was wrong you must be the one who plots everything...yeah he was hyped up by everyone but the only two battles we've seen him in he's been left on the floor close to being dead.
Titania Erza
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And this calls him/herself a person who knows a lot about bleach xd
Why dont you go back and play with your byakuya and yamamoto action figures and leave the discussions to the people who do know some things about bleach.
StrifeMaccy
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I imagine it's full of captains that are similiar to Shunsui and Ukitake in power. I doubt most of them could compare to Old Man Yama, as he's the strongest shinigami in the last 1000 years. I reckon Isshin is an ex 0th division member, would explain his odd haori
It is rumored that one of the bankai's has a time limit can only be used every six months or some crap because of the power it possess.
If true than that would mean squad zero is on or close to par with Yama. Plus I don't believe the soul society falls into category with where the soul king is so Yama's claim of strongest in soul society for a 1000 years is for soul society not for where the soul king and guard are. But we shall see.
If true than that would mean squad zero is on or close to par with Yama. Plus I don't believe the soul society falls into category with where the soul king is so Yama's claim of strongest in soul society for a 1000 years is for soul society not for where the soul king and guard are. But we shall see.
Maybe the members of squad 0 may not of been as strong as Yamamoto when they were part of the gotei 13 but possibly they received augmented powers from the Soul King or trained under him or other senior members of squad 0.
kotoamatsukami
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Well of course hes on the ground dead everyone is going to have a speacial plan just for him he can't beat everybody that's ichigo's job..everybOdy knos him they fear his power..aizen knew he could not beat him if he had has flames..juha knew he could not beat him if he had his flames so they found away to get rid of them...
An a bout the zero squad thing it's been a thousand years sence he seen them yea but remember while they ate getting stronger so is Yamamoto so there's no way they will be stronger then him
kotoamatsukami
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Doesn't change the fact he's dead, he was to prideful not letting humans help and using his Bankai believing no one could steal it, it's his own fault also it's unconfirmed whether Juha is weaker than Yamamoto since even though Juha stole the Bankai it doesn't mean he had to and for Yamamoto to use bankai on him that must mean he was very large threat.
Hmm Yamamoto getting stronger you say? I'm certain the last chapter mentioned Yamamoto getting weaker and how he used to be stronger.
And yet you say there's no way 100% chance that no one is stronger than Yamamoto Lol get off you say it's Ichigo's job to defeat everyone what does that say...simply Ichigo will become the strongest Shinigami ever and saying no one will ever surpass Yama is ignorant.
kotoamatsukami
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Lol Wat haha I can tell ur loseing this argument lol...yes juha is strong of course he's been around forever but he is not stronger than Yamamoto come on now you kno this..lol he got weaker no lol he did not even show juba his full power the last time they fought so how he get weaker lol he was just saying Yamamoto is not blood thirsty no more...
Lol an why you think they stealing bankai cuz with out that they lose end if story..
An no what I mean is ichigo is the main person so every time Yamamoto fights the enemy is going to have a plan to get rid of his flames..but when it comes to ichigo they don't have a plan..lol aizen ain't have a plan for ichigo but had one for Yamamoto hmm I wonder why...Quincy can't steal ichigo bankai but can take everybody else's...see Wat I mean
You can tell can you...so if I'm losing this argument is everybody else who is agreeing with me also losing?
He didn't show Juha his true power do you want to know why, it was because Juha owned him before he could Yamamoto tried to use Bankai on him but was defeated instantly, so if using Bankai means your not going all out then I don't know what going all out means.
Yeah it's been established that stealing Bankai is their plan but as we've also established it takes a Quincy of similar strength to steal a Bankai.
So Aizen never had a plan...please Ichigo was his plan or experiment should I say he was expecting Ichigo to power up but the case was he powered up to much for him, he never anticipated Ichigo's Mugetsu form would be so powerful.
Read the latest of Bleach Manga Juha clearly says Yamamoto has got weaker and since they've known each other for a 1000 years I'm going to go with that he knows a bit about Yamamoto's power.
Please kid go read Bleach, also one last question do you think Ichigo, Urahara or Yourichi could beat Byakuya.
kotoamatsukami
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Juha owned who the Quincy lost 1000 years ago hahah you lost its over hahah he did not use full power cuz he did not have to..tried to use bankai an got defeated of course he stole it what are you trying to say lol?
None of the Quincy that stole bankai's can beat the captian they fought plain an simple..like juha he stole Yamamoto bankai but can he beat Yamamoto straight up hell naw that's why they stealing in the first place...cuz he still remembers the beat down they got 1000 years ago.
An yea he did not have a plan for ichigo all he did was watch him yea ichigo power came out of no where but in the end he still did not have a plan like he did for Yamamoto..Yamamoto is stronger than aizen an juha but did not beat etheir one cuz they came up with speacial plans for that guy..
He did not mean Yamamoto got weaker in strength he means Yamamoto got to soft he is not as blood thirsty as he used to be be became to kind..
Ichigo already beat him do that's out the way unless byakuya got stronger that we don't kno but yea ichigo already beat him...yoruichi is one of my fav but I don't think she can beat him as in now... untill I see her in this arc an what she can do now then I will decide if she can but as of what I seen so far no...urahara Mabey he has not shown me enough yet need to see his bankai cuz his shikai won't get the job done.
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You say you've won this debate yet your the only one saying it while everyone else agrees with me calling you stupid and hopeless.
There's no proof that Yamamoto owned Juha a 1000 years ago since Mayuri said it was Yama's fault because he failed to kill that man and if it's Juha there on about then I don't think he got owned.
What? he did not use his full power so Bankai isn't the peak of his power what are you smoking? What am I trying to say? I'm saying that Juha is strong enough to steal Yamamoto's Bankai while other Quincies aren't why because Juha is on an entirely different level.
That's not true there are Quincies right now who have not stolen the Bankai from captains and are still beating them take Shunsei for example he's being decimated.
Plus Byakuya was toast from the beginning anyway despite getting his Bankai stolen the Quincies power was to much.
Just so you know weaker is also their ideals if he was bloodthirsty he would be stronger nothing holding him back as to now he holds back and gets owned so yeah I'd say it makes him weaker.
And you say Yamamoto is stronger than both Aizen and Juha you do realize what your saying is basically saying that the manga is wrong.
Also I think you should reread the newest chapter Juha says they should hurry up before Zero squad comes so let me ask you why does he seem more worried about zero squad rather than your hero Yamamoto.
Hmm the last question was to myself just for future references.
I will end your debate with this the reason why juha battled Yama the way he did was because he needed to know the full extent of Yama's bankai which he never new before. Why steal something without not knowing it's full ability's. Which also means it was part of a plan juha knew that he would need his full strength and Yama's full bankai ability's to beat the royal guard because they are that powerful. Also stated you have to be on the same power level as said stolen bankai. Which is why ichigo's can't be stolen it has to do with the Final getsuga tenshounone of the Quincy know of the full depth of ichigo's power from his hollow power's to his final form. Ichigo is on a very high level just as Yama is.
kotoamatsukami
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Yea you lost lol there's no proof the proof is that they lost..yea he used bankai but he did not use his bankai full power Yamamoto says this him self..yea juha is on another level but not on yamamoto's..
Yea he beat kyraku cuz he can't use his bankai that's why he is winning so that was DUM of you to say..
Naw byakuya was bout to beat his ass bad..that Quincy lucky he had that badge.
Nonthing holding him back what juha badge held him back cuz with out it he gets Dat ass beat once again.
Lol what where in the manga does it say juha is stronger than Yamamoto lol? Yea you lose..he is stronger than aizen where in the manga does it say aizen is stronger..all I remember is aizen being scared of his power..
He said lets retreat now till they come nothing about being scares so yea you go reread please.
kotoamatsukami
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You don't need to kno about the bankai you can just steal it if you want to..an yea he needs Yamamoto power to take them on cuz he not strong enough unlike Yamamoto who is strong enough to most likey to take them on..yea ur just proving my point thank you Yamamoto is the strongest soul reaper ever an that's that.
An no your power does not need to be on the same level it has to be close.
An about ichigo like juha said they don't need to kno about it inorder to steal it you just have to be strong enough so I don't get what your trying to say about the ichigo thing.