【Varrah vs Waltz】: Healthy Itachi vs EMS Sasuke

[Draegod]

Debate was set up to conclude Varrah as the victor from the start.

They don't get it at all. He literally had them in a "tsukuyomi" the moment the thread titile was seen in the vs section. Clearly they do not know varrah..

 

[Waltz]

It's clear as day that your intention was to glorify hand seals. Who are you trying to fool here? You purposefully chose to exclude Chidori Nagashi from your points as well despite the fact that it requires no hand seals. And yes you did all that.. How exactly does that begin to imply you and Varrah didn't plan this out in the first place?



Sasuke's vision would be impaired, yes. But for how long? We both know his Shunshin speed in EMS is insane, a Katon or any other impairing jutsu would have negligible effect on Sasuke, since the crows still get overcome by Chidori Senbon a split-second later (which is all it takes for Sasuke Sasuke to leave the LoS impairing ability).

Chidori Nagashi is short range (0-5 meters) so it would never reach Itachi and still doesn't stop Itachi's attack to impair Sasuke's vision because Itachi's hand-seal speed is quicker than any reaction Sasuke could ever perform [

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@Bold: Whelp, I guess you haven't seen many of my debates. It would be completely out of character as I wouldn't waste the time with such a response and I doubt I could get Varrah to partake in such a thing. However that is up to you to believe or not. If it makes you feel any better:

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@Red: 'For how long' doesn't matter; As long as Sasuke's vision is impaired Varrah's strategy succeeds. I'll try to rephrase it: The point of the debate is for either EMS Sasuke or Itachi to capture the opponent. Varrah and I were to present Strategy's on how our characters would do so and Varrah had to first move, which he used to outline his strategy of how Itachicould (not: will) capture Sasuke. If I cannot counter his strategy; that is, If Sasuke cannot prohibit Itachi from performing some attack that will impair his vision then acts 2-5 take place and Varrah's strategy succeeds. Its not a hard concept to digest; well for some atleast.
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I agree with Itachi escaping. But I firmly disagree with Itachi capturing Sasuke. Both you and I know that's impossible.​

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Yeah but Varrah could win the debate if he creates a situation where I cannot counter his strategy..​

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[Rιver]

I don't recommend The Exorcist.

 

[Draegod]

Chidori Nagashi is short range (0-5 meters) so it would never reach Itachi and still doesn't stop Itachi's attack to impair Sasuke's vision because Itachi's hand-seal speed is quicker than any reaction Sasuke could ever perform [

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@Bold: Whelp, I guess you haven't seen many of my debates. It would be completely out of character as I wouldn't waste the time with such a response and I doubt I could get Varrah to partake in such a thing. However that is up to you to believe or not. If it makes you feel any better:

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@Red: 'For how long' doesn't matter; As long as Sasuke's vision is impaired Varrah's strategy succeeds. I'll try to rephrase it: The point of the debate is for either EMS Sasuke or Itachi to capture the opponent. Varrah and I were to present Strategy's on how our characters would do so and Varrah had to first move, which he used to outline his strategy of how Itachicould (not: will) capture Sasuke. If I cannot counter his strategy; that is, If Sasuke cannot prohibit Itachi from performing some attack that will impair his vision then acts 2-5 take place and Varrah's strategy succeeds. Its not a hard concept to digest; well for some atleast.
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Yeah but Varrah could win the debate if he creates a situation where I cannot counter his strategy..​

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No need to defend yourself bro. They either get it or dont.

 

[Waltz]

Now that I think of it we have Amaterasu.​

There's actually a process which begins at focusing on the opponent.​

Susano'o's activation is literally instant...

How does that stop Itachi's Hand-seal speed? for instance, how does it stop the act of: "throwing"?​

No need to defend yourself bro. They either get it or dont.

Aight. Tunnel vision is strong as f in this section tho; will try to keep it bloodlusted and with killing intent. ​

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Debate was set up to conclude Varrah as the victor from the start.

Could of at least been more accurate with the manga, is what I'm saying.

How does that stop Itachi's Hand-seal speed? for instance, how does it stop the act of: "throwing"?​

It doesn't, but that wasn't the point. You specifically said that Sasuke possesses nothing in his arsenal that can be initiated faster then Itachi's hand seal speed, which is false. Susano'o requires no hand seals, and activates instantly - making all of Itachi's efforts futile.

 

[Worm]

Could of at least been more accurate with the manga, is what I'm saying.

That would have made this whole topic impossible.

 

[Apêx1]

Chidori Nagashi is short range (0-5 meters) so it would never reach Itachi and still doesn't stop Itachi's attack to impair Sasuke's vision because Itachi's hand-seal speed is quicker than any reaction Sasuke could ever perform [

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I'm saying it's a measure to prevent Itachi from ever coming close in the first place. He needs to be captured for him to win, but Varrah doesn't outline how he's captured. He simly suggests Crow A and Crow B fight EMS Sasuke and assumes that the judges should believe that Sasuke would be captured after that. But that's not how it works in a debate. He actually needs to propose how Itachi plans to capture Sasuke, becasue him proposing it being possible is not to suggest it is accomplishable. You on the other hand, outlined ways in which it could actually be achieves, so based on intent to capture you still convinced me Sasuke would capture, while Varrah only convinced me there was potential for Itachi to capture, but how is beyond the points used in the debate. And just lol. Why are you trying to compare EMS Sasuke who could track Juubito's speed, to Hebi Sasuke? It's a baseless comparison and has no merit.

@Bold: Whelp, I guess you haven't seen many of my debates. It would be completely out of character as I wouldn't waste the time with such a response and I doubt I could get Varrah to partake in such a thing. However that is up to you to believe or not. If it makes you feel any better:

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I've seen a few of your debates actually. You usually go on about random shit, yet here you didn't even try. And your word for "I wouldn't waste my time" is no different then me saying "I didn't eat the apple" when everyone knows it was me. You trying to cover it up isn't really changing much, let alone the debate having any effect on overall perception of Hand seals (which you seem to want to glorify).

@Red: 'For how long' doesn't matter; As long as Sasuke's vision is impaired Varrah's strategy succeeds. I'll try to rephrase it: The point of the debate is for either EMS Sasuke or Itachi to capture the opponent. Varrah and I were to present Strategy's on how our characters would do so and Varrah had to first move, which he used to outline his strategy of how Itachicould (not: will) capture Sasuke. If I cannot counter his strategy; that is, If Sasuke cannot prohibit Itachi from performing some attack that will impair his vision then acts 2-5 take place and Varrah's strategy succeeds. Its not a hard concept to digest; well for some atleast.

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If Sasuke's vision is impaired, it will only be a for a split-second due to it being EMS, and thus Sasuke can counter accordingly. Stop trying to act like EMS Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke are remotely comparable. And again, even if acts 2-5 take place, where exactly was it outlined how Sasuke would be captured? Because to my knowledge EMS Sasuke is not being captured by anything Itachi can do. And lol @bold. Waltz suddenly thinks he and Varrah are intelligent debaters because they know how to use a thesaurus, indent and cambria font. Reminds of the good ol' days when you were that subpar, non-pretentious dumbass on PuppyDogGeneral lmao.

 

[Tartarus]

Waltz suddenly thinks he and Varrah are intelligent debaters because they know how to use a thesaurus, indent and cambria font. Reminds of the good ol' days when you were that subpar, non-pretentious dumbass on PuppyDogGeneral lmao.

I remember when we used to call him PuppyDogGenitals, good times. :Sparks:

 

[Beans2]

Shitty debate TBH.

 

[Beans2]

Unless this was a troll thread, in which case. Well played.