Ψ Hashirama Senju's Truth: Origin Of Wood Release Ψ

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I disagree.

That's not possible because all zetsu are people who were once put into IT and Hashirama's cells never made white zetsus,. Black Zetsu simply tricked Madara into thinking that. (It is a retcon)

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As for Black Zetsu giving Hashirama life energy, how? Also, why?
I know you said it was to inspire Madara or whatever but Hashirama said he was soft hearted (probably not power hungry?) until Izuna died but Hashirama already had Mokuton by then.

I'm not saying it's impossible (it is Kishimoto we are talking about here, he makes plot holes all the time) but it probably wasn't him.

As for the Ootsuki's, it's likely but I want to know why him?

Actually "some" of the White zetsus were made from hashiramas Cells, also dont forget Yamato's cells were used to make the Zetsus stronger, Yamato's cells is a weak copy of Hashiramas.

As for Why hashirama, because he was Ashuras Reincarnation I would say
Indra and Ashuras descendants have been at war ever since, and it was black zetsu who changed the tablet "that power is the answer" to cause it.
Obviously he wanted them to Seek power, same for Madara, and the best way for that is to have a Rival to compete with, to want to Surpass, Since hashi was already ashuras Reincarnation, he was the most sensible choice

 

[Conspirator.]

The white zetsus are a complete mess.(plot wise) I was under the impression that they were all under Kaguya's IT, but Madara enhanced them with Hashirama's cells, which is why their genetic makeup was identical to hashi's.(as sakura and shizune confirmed)

 

[UCE]

The white zetsus are a complete mess.(plot wise) I was under the impression that they were all under Kaguya's IT, but Madara enhanced them with Hashirama's cells, which is why their genetic makeup was identical to hashi's.(as sakura and shizune confirmed)

yes correct ^

also, they are a fail test. (Stated by madara)

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

The white zetsus are a complete mess.(plot wise) I was under the impression that they were all under Kaguya's IT, but Madara enhanced them with Hashirama's cells, which is why their genetic makeup was identical to hashi's.(as sakura and shizune confirmed)

Hashiramas Cells contains Enormous Life energy thats why it could be used for that purpose.
God: Nativity of a World of Trees technique used by Kaguya "shinju" is very Similar to hashiramas Nativity of a World of Trees even the name,
Like I said, the Similarities between Mokuton, and the Shinjus roots are too much to be Ignored.

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White zetsus are a result of Overwhealming Life Energy nourished to the humans under IT, that turns them into Treeoid humans or whatever you wanna call it lol

 

[Conspirator.]

Hashiramas Cells contains Enormous Life energy thats why it could be used for that purpose.
God: Nativity of a World of Trees technique used by Kaguya "shinju" is very Similar to hashiramas Nativity of a World of Trees even the name,
Like I said, the Similarities between Mokuton, and the Shinjus roots are too much to be Ignored.

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Good point. That's probably why hashirama recognised the jutsu, and called it the "Jukai Koutan"(his own technique.)

 

[The Sach]

Actually "some" of the White zetsus were made from hashiramas Cells, also dont forget Yamato's cells were used to make the Zetsus stronger, Yamato's cells is a weak copy of Hashiramas.

As for Why hashirama, because he was Ashuras Reincarnation I would say
Indra and Ashuras descendants have been at war ever since, and it was black zetsu who changed the tablet "that power is the answer" to cause it.
Obviously he wanted them to Seek power, same for Madara, and the best way for that is to have a Rival to compete with, to want to Surpass, Since hashi was already ashuras Reincarnation, he was the most sensible choice

Madara never produced them, Madara 'enhanced' them. They got enhanced because they needed that strong vital force that Hashi's cells had. So the statement that Hashi's cell produced white zetsu is wrong.
Let's say Zetsu did choose Hashi to give mokuton, next question is how he gave it? During birth time? Nup but that contradicts the story of Ashura being weak to Indra. Also Hashi used Mokuton when Izuna was alive(not during their first fight, no evidence to support it) during teenage days

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, middle scan and hence it isn't possible.
Next Hashi never was power hungry and hence he can't be easily deceived unlike other people, again question remains how BZ managed that?:|
Next problem is why Hagoromo didn't give it to Hashi according to you? Why are you ruling out that possibility?

 

[Gerkak]

interesting theory

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Good point. That's probably why hashirama recognised the jutsu, and called it the "Jukai Koutan"(his own technique.)

Exactly

Nice theory but at the end I didn't understand clearly who you supported that gave Hashirama mokuton. In any case, I have made a similar about the origines of wood style in which I suggest that wood style was at first a secret technique that was entrusted to the uzumaki by Hamura itself and was later passed down on Hashirama because of his marriage with Mito. Here is the complete theory:

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I supported BZ More, Im almost positive since he changed the tablet so fittingly
but hamura is my second guess

Thanks. I will gladly read it =D

 

[Hàdes1]

Veritas.

Your truly a genius and the greatest theorist i have ever seen!!

Great Great job Bro Well done

 

[Byron123]

Exactly

I supported BZ More, Im almost positive since he changed the tablet so fittingly
but hamura is my second guess

Thanks. I will gladly read it =D

Thank you so much! But have in mind that since I wrote it before the latest relevations, that you will some inconsistencies.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Madara never produced them, Madara 'enhanced' them. They got enhanced because they needed that strong vital force that Hashi's cells had. So the statement that Hashi's cell produced white zetsu is wrong.
Let's say Zetsu did choose Hashi to give mokuton, next question is how he gave it? During birth time? Nup but that contradicts the story of Ashura being weak to Indra. Also Hashi used Mokuton when Izuna was alive(not during their first fight, no evidence to support it) during teenage days

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, middle scan and hence it isn't possible.
Next Hashi never was power hungry and hence he can't be easily deceived unlike other people, again question remains how BZ managed that?:|
Next problem is why Hagoromo didn't give it to Hashi according to you? Why are you ruling out that possibility?

It doesnt contradict it actually His only objective was to have Madara seek more power, just as he changed the tablet so that the uchiha would seek power.

We dont know when exactly hashi used Mokuton, which is why the time when BZ could have given it to him would vary from an Infant to an Adult.

I never said hashi was power hungry, I said madara was.

and regarding hagoromo, I already included him as a possibility alongside hamura.

Veritas.

Your truly a genius and the greatest theorist i have ever seen!!

Great Great job Bro Well done

Thanks a lot man, thats a Great compliment =D

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you so much! But have in mind that since I wrote it before the latest relevations, that you will some inconsistencies.

No problem bro, I understand!

 

[The Sach]

It doesnt contradict anything Lol His only objective was to have Madara seek more power, just as he changed the tablet so that the uchiha would seek power.

We dont know when exactly hashi used Mokuton, which is why the time when BZ could have given it to him would vary from an Infant to an Adult.

My question is how he gave it, rather than why he gave it.Lol I got your point that, BZ gave him to create that rivalry, my question was different and still remains unanswered, and that is making me question your otherwise good theory.

I never said hashi was power hungry, I said madara was.

Okay then, still looking forward to your answer on how BZ give it. I am talking about 'chain of events' here, please elaborate.

and regarding hagoromo, I already included him as a possibility alongside hamura.

So which is better possibility according to you, Hogoromo giving it, Hamura giving it(you said it is your second choice) or third BZ giving it? If BZ giving it is more likely than you, please prove why Hogoromo giving it is less likely. That's what I want to hear.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

My question is how he gave it, rather than why he gave it.Lol I got your point that, BZ gave him to create that rivalry, my question was different and still remains unanswered, and that is making me question your otherwise good theory.

Okay then, still looking forward to your answer on how BZ give it. I am talking about 'chain of events' here, please elaborate.

So which is better possibility according to you, Hogoromo giving it, Hamura giving it(you said it is your second choice) or third BZ giving it? If BZ giving it is more likely than you, please prove why Hogoromo giving it is less likely. That's what I want to hear.

How did Obito/Madara give Nagato the rinnegan? it wasnt explained because there could have been a number of Ways. There is absolutely no obstacle here for someone who has planned the last few Milleniums. You only need Pick

I Believe BZ is more likely to have given to him due to the reasons which I gave in the thread, as far as I see it, 1-he had more to Gain from it, 2-he was the mastermind behind madara and many other things, 3-as far as we know, hagoromo never showed any hints to having Mokuton, but Zetsu does.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

yes correct ^

also, they are a fail test. (Stated by madara)

I wouldn't give credence to Madara's statement, he was manipulated all this time.

@Topic: Excellent work as always, I always knew about the dragon gnawing at the roots of Yggdrasil but I never knew there was an eastern counterpart to it nor was I able to correlate it with the Shinju.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I wouldn't give credence to Madara's statement, he was manipulated all this time.

@Topic: Excellent work as always, I always knew about the dragon gnawing at the roots of Yggdrasil but I never knew there was an eastern counterpart to it nor was I able to correlate it with the Shinju.

Thank you Sir Obito!! I apreciate your opinion, and Yeah the Trunk on the Dragon is likely to be derived from the Makara rather than Nidhogg, however I believe Kishi may have been inspired by both

What do you think on the matter in your Expertise?

 

[The Sach]

How did Obito/Madara give Nagato the rinnegan? it wasnt explained because there could have been a number of Ways. There is absolutely no obstacle here for someone who has planned the last few Milleniums. You only need Pick

It is explained, although I agree with the second part. I just wanted you to go a bit more deeper and give me situation that Zetsu created. Perhaps it is limitation of your theory, you aren't Kishi yourself.

I Believe BZ is more likely to have given to him due to the reasons which I gave in the thread, as far as I see it, 1-he had more to Gain from it, 2-he was the mastermind behind madara and many other things, 3-as far as we know, hagoromo never showed any hints to having Mokuton, but Zetsu does.

I got your interpretation on why BZ gave him, I wanted to know why Hagoromo didn't give him. There are two types of theories in these world, first where you prove your point by using evidences, second when you prove your theory by declining all other possibilities.
I was looking at your theory from second perspective, I believe you can do better Veritas.(maybe I have a lot of expectations from you?)
I am looking forward to next theory about why Hagoromo didn't give him Mokuton.

 

[Frikid]

I disagree.

Hashirama naturally obtained mokuton.

Orochimaru himself have done a lot of experiments on hashirama's cells and it is an extremely rare case for someone to inherit hashirama cells and survive it (yamato in this case).

As we know, it is so difficult and rare to get inherit these cells , BZ would not want to give something like this to hashirama and risk his life.

Mokuton is not something which can be given to anyone, it is something you are born with much like any other kekkai genkai.
The only reason yamato could use it (and that too not to its full extent) was because of orochimaru and his incredible luck.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Thank you Sir Obito!! I apreciate your opinion, and Yeah the Trunk on the Dragon is likely to be derived from the Makara rather than Nidhogg, however I believe Kishi may have been inspired by both

What do you think on the matter in your Expertise?

Well, personally I don't think Hashi's mom could've been an Uzumaki because even though the Senjus and Uchihas were stated to be distant blood relatives, their alliance was only after the foundation of Konoha, and I think Hashirama and Mito's union was the first instance a Senju married an Uzumaki (also, the Uzumaki Clan Leader was most probably Mito's father), since these types of marriages are arranged to cement new alliances between two clans/kingdoms, like King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabelle of Castille's marriage which united the two kingdoms to form modern-day Spain.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I disagree.

Hashirama naturally obtained mokuton.

Orochimaru himself have done a lot of experiments on hashirama's cells and it is an extremely rare case for someone to inherit hashirama cells and survive it (yamato in this case).

As we know, it is so difficult and rare to get inherit these cells , BZ would not want to give something like this to hashirama and risk his life.

Mokuton is not something which can be given to anyone, it is something you are born with much like any other kekkai genkai.
The only reason yamato could use it (and that too not to its full extent) was because of orochimaru and his incredible luck.

Hashirama survived it because he was Ashuras Re-incarnation.

Well, personally I don't think Hashi's mom could've been an Uzumaki because even though the Senjus and Uchihas were stated to be distant blood relatives, their alliance was only after the foundation of Konoha, and I think Hashirama and Mito's union was the first instance a Senju married an Uzumaki (also, the Uzumaki Clan Leader was most probably Mito's father), since these types of marriages are arranged to cement new alliances between two clans/kingdoms, like King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabelle of Castille's marriage which united the two kingdoms to form modern-day Spain.

Yeah, that part was just speculation though as a Fourth possibility
Regarding Mito's father, you make an excellent point, it was most likely so, however would that really Exclude Hashi's mother being an Uzumaki? perhaps that very thing Brought them closer to each other, and to Hashirama in specific, which ended up in the First "Arranged Union" of the two clans

 

[Xāvî1]

Nice read!