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  1. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    yes we are scaling here obviously we don't know every single person who was there. Unless roger and garp were on steroids they shouldn't be able to beat 3 top tiers and high tiers in big mom. so we are trying to see what can happen. Moria got weaker dude, you do know ppl get weaker right. The...
  2. arv993

    [VS] all of wano vs marines

    akainu is a different animal in general, Vista(YC3) and marco don't have the firepower to beat him. Akainu is the tankiest character due to logia and general durability - fujitora and greenbull are not the same as akainu they have been hurt by sabo(YC1) and some YC3s. Also kaido gave kudos to...
  3. arv993

    [VS] all of wano vs marines

    kidd and law together can hold an emperor and were able to throw big mom off they were no chumps. kidd is close to luffy and law can hurt anyone with gamma knife. Also you have marco, king, queen, sanji, katakuri, smoothie, cracker, sulong neko, sulong inu to choose from. Admiral or not you are...
  4. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    they were killed by roger and crew likely but yea that happens. 4 of the strongest survived. he beat low level schibukai and luffy is stronger than almost everybody for his age and even he was massively outclassed at MF. Shiki was a top tier then so no akainu at 17 isn't taking on a top tier...
  5. arv993

    [VS] all of wano vs marines

    i will see some more responses and add will probably add garp soon. good point add drake to the marines. gion and tionkake are not top tiers until shown otherwise but I would think they are likely YC1 to YC2. they can at best take on Marco and yamato but I would bet on Yamato and marco. Luffy...
  6. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    Rocks weren't annhilated as shiki, wb, bm and kaido are totally fine. they probably betrayed rocks once he lost to garp and roger. zombies are weaker than their prime ryuma is proof of that. none of the ppl you talked about were admiral or YC level at 16 so no your point does not hold. Coby...
  7. arv993

    [VS] all of wano vs marines

    lol but yea this is if the marines want to beat everyone including kaido. basically its a what if. If akainu gave the go ahead to kizaru and joined him.
  8. arv993

    [VS] all of wano vs marines

    If marines came in at the beginning of the battle prior to the attack by strawhats and wanted to arrest the pirates who would win? Marines side: Akainu, kizaru, ryogoku, fujitora plus VA's and fodder, CP0 that is there Pirates: BM, Kaido, Luffy, Zoro, Supernovas,strawhats, Tobbi roppo, samurai...
  9. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    Dude they were hyped, if they were absolute fodder they would not be in the crew and be worthy of being mentioned they were hyped as special captains. Ok koby at 16 is weak af all he did in MF was cry and hide lol what the **** are 16 year olds going to do esp against a 30 year old big mom and...
  10. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    Lol silver axe and captain john were YC levels likely and Shiki didn't die and they listened to their captain so they probably only left when roger and garp targeted him. It wasn't likely just the people in the picture Shiki was a force to be reckoned with and was a rival to roger. He was...
  11. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    roger and garp were probably not at their peak but still in their prime, and yes we can both agree that we don't know and this is speculation. But its unlikely roger's crew aka the heavy hitters like rayleigh and gaban will let their captain take on rocks without any support. the pic also...
  12. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    He’s likely older, he was a fleet admiral in Garp’s younger days and he retired when sengoku and garp were still active like during mf.
  13. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    we don’t know how the fight went down but it was likely roger pirates plus roger and garp which lead to their defeat. If roger pirates teamed up with rocks GG WG they are not winning even with kong and sengoku joining the fight with garp at that time. Also Kong is older than garp so it’s...
  14. arv993

    [VS] Rocks + Roger vs Marines at the time

    What if Rocks and roger pirates allied would that be the end of the marines at the time. I would guess its garp + sengoku + kong + mid tiers vs the pirates essentially?
  15. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    Lol coming from the troll of the base it’s hilarious 1571377352 The warlords and the ssg didn’t exist at the same time but no the marines needed external help to even the yonko was my point. The full might of the WG is unknown but we know the marines are weaker as a unit compared to the...
  16. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    Yea that point is that the military forces of the yonko are superior to the marines alone. Whitebeard at that point was still in better shape to defend himself, the point is akainu underperformed for someone with so many advantages. akainu wasn’t attacking luffy and he was told wb was behind...
  17. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    My take on it is all 4 emperors = marines + warlords I’m not discussing doffy here so I’ll leave that part If anyone got a free hit on wb vs Akainu, it’s akainu he got a free hit right after a heart attack, it’s not guarantee he would have killed him if akainu kept attacking. Second akainu...
  18. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    the chapter I am talking about is 432 where garp talks about the need to have the warlords to have a balance in power against the yonkos Well the thing is fujitora gaining power is not guaranteed and even the other admirals are not as hyped as the yonko. let’s not act like white beard wasn’t...
  19. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    I mean the collective yonko being over the marines is obvious by what garp and brannew said. so in terms of admirals vs yonko in a 1 v 1. It seems like oda has made it clear even among the top tiers some are above others. When I say that I don’t mean extreme diff fights. We have seen that Garp...
  20. arv993

    [Discussion] Power scaling in OP

    Which conclusion are you referring to? Yonko > admirals Or the power balance between the marines and the collective yonko
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