"Kishi Disagrees" and more.

[Erin]

I have been seeing alot of people recently that have been constantly quoting things or showing scans and saying "well kishi says this" or "Kishi says that", or "oh, so your saying the manga is wrong? and Kishi is wrong?" and on in on with "Manga Facts" and such.

I think its getting a little old so I just want to say some things that I think aught to be considered before saying that kishi disagrees with someone. ( A few more things included)


1. Masashi Kishimoto is a story writer and illustrator, like any story writer things that his characters say or claim should not be considered his beliefs, infact, kishi should not even be considered when talking about the naruto universe because he does not exist in it. The only thing that kishi would agree wish is that this particular character believes whatever statement it uttered.

2. Any character who does not have abilities of foresight or first or second hand experience that makes claims that have not been addressed in any of the 3 data books should not be considered as fact, but instead theory.

3. (theoretical) Characters that have techs that have not been displayed or described (only name or fact of existence is known) For example the 2nd hokages space time jutsus, they should not be evaluated in anything more than a "who do you think would win" on the contrary to a thread were claims of fact are used, since the little known jutsus can possibly thwart these facts.

4. Hypothetical abilities/actions of weapons, active jutsus or characters should not be used in a debate based on facts.

5. Because in almost every battle, the battle conditions are not perfect for either of the fighters at the start of battle (weather, land type, indoors/ outdoors/ foliage/ etc.) debates for vs. threads should not be based on past battles between the characters, but rather proven skills in the anime (non-filler) or manga.

Anyway these are just a few things I wanted to get of my chest.

Please feel free to leave any thoughts you might have and specify which part you are addressing.

So... Thoughts? -_-

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

About time someone posted this...rep <3

 

[Aertes]

If everybodies logic worked like that we would still consider the earth to be flat.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Yup....nice work! I can agree to that!

Though the fights based on theory (like limitations) are just for enjoyable debate do that's why I tolerate them (I mostly ignore them thoufh XD)

 

[TheSages456]

when kishi puts emphasis something that is a major part of the story then thats what he believes in.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

If everybodies logic worked like that we would still consider the earth to be flat.

Makes no sense whatsoever....SMH

 

[Kages]

Kishi's pen> anyone's opinion about Naruto

 

[Nosferato]

u take this way too seriously

 

[DrProof]

I see what your ideals are, but I can't help to disagree.​

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[celarian]

I agree, that is all.

 

[know it all]

I totally agree, but in cases of debates, all you really have to go on is whatever was said by the characters themselves.

 

[jsrhoden]

I have been seeing alot of people recently that have been constantly quoting things or showing scans and saying "well kishi says this" or "Kishi says that", or "oh, so your saying the manga is wrong? and Kishi is wrong?" and on in on with "Manga Facts" and such.

I think its getting a little old so I just want to say some things that I think aught to be considered before saying that kishi disagrees with someone. ( A few more things included)


1. Masashi Kishimoto is a story writer and illustrator, like any story writer things that his characters say or claim should not be considered his beliefs, infact, kishi should not even be considered when talking about the naruto universe because he does not exist in it. The only thing that kishi would agree wish is that this particular character believes whatever statement it uttered.

2. Any character who does not have abilities of foresight or first or second hand experience that makes claims that have not been addressed in any of the 3 data books should not be considered as fact, but instead theory.

3. (theoretical) Characters that have techs that have not been displayed or described (only name or fact of existence is known) For example the 2nd hokages space time jutsus, they should not be evaluated in anything more than a "who do you think would win" on the contrary to a thread were claims of fact are used, since the little known jutsus can possibly thwart these facts.

4. Hypothetical abilities/actions of weapons, active jutsus or characters should not be used in a debate based on facts.

5. Because in almost every battle, the battle conditions are not perfect for either of the fighters at the start of battle (weather, land type, indoors/ outdoors/ foliage/ etc.) debates for vs. threads should not be based on past battles between the characters, but rather proven skills in the anime (non-filler) or manga.

Anyway these are just a few things I wanted to get of my chest.

Please feel free to leave any thoughts you might have and specify which part you are addressing.

So... Thoughts? -_-

Great thread

IMO, Hypothetical Situations and Manga Proof are both needed for proper vs threads.

I think a balance of both is needed. If you're leaning towards using the manga all the time, you start to take everything at face value and ignore other outcomes and parameters which affect a fight, effectively sticking completely by the book. Lean too far towards the hypothetical side however, and you suffer from not following the story line at all and effectively making up false logic which has never been mentioned in the story.

I like the idea of point 2 though, seems like a good way to separate the facts from the claims. We all know that Kishi absolutely loves using hyperbole, and there's an incredibly fine line between what we should consider as fact and what is simply an exaggeration.