Never compare Itachi and Minato.

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Nah, Izanami affects the target regardless of their five senses. At the cost of an eye though. As soon as Izanami is activated, it's a done deal. Itachi > Minato
 
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New knight48 said:
But... itachi can do the same thing to minato, Itachi is a genius just like minato and can probably deduce the FTG pretty darn fast... For example pretend itachi is inside susanoo... he swings at minato, minato throws a kunai somewhere...(Itachi already analyzed minatos jutsu by now and has planned this strategy), itachi amaterasu's the kunai itself so when minato lands there boom dead.
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but counter this Bogard^ i wanna see you try
there are so many other strategies itachi can make, HE IS A GENIUS AND IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MINATO
 
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Fine!



Minato wins this,he has all the answers to Itachi's attacks and can come out as the victor if the two of them were to face each other in ideal conditions.

Read the following

Minato vs Sharingan Itachi :

Minato can beat Sharingan Itachi.

Minato has more speed,raw strength,chakra, powerful summons, seals.

Further he did beat Sharingan Tobi [MS Obito].


Minato vs Amaterasu :

A Few thing from wiki :
A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.

The only thing that the flames have failed to burn into or through is Gaara's chakra-infused sand. However, the flames burn fairly slowly, sometimes allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze. Nagato was able to deflect the flames from his body using Shinra Tensei. Use of the technique also puts a great deal of strain on the user, usually causing their eyes to bleed.

Minato dodged A's FULL speed the picture is in the Susanoo section below.
We've seen that A who wasn't even using his full speed dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu [Which according to Shee was better than Itachi's] at very close range. So Minato can do the same with more ease.

So even if Minato gets hit by Amaterasu he being the fastest of them all and thanks to s/t can save himself by teleporting himself back to his safe house. He did this when Tobi had bombed new-born Naruto.

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Plus Itachi can't use Amaterasu very often it affects him badly because he lacks the Eternal

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One more thing Jiraya sealed Amaterasu. So its safe to assume that Minato being the sealing master he is can do the same with more ease.

Minato vs Tsukuyomi :

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. Its a short Ranged Genjutsu and to my knowledge the root knew about it and It hasn't killed a single soul.

Guy was confident to go up against Itachi w/out Eye contact a Jounin os his calibre can fight w/pot eye contact. Further its common knowledge that when fighting a Sharingan user avoid eye contact and that can be done.

For Itachi to trap Minato in tsukuyomi Minato need to look directly into hie eyes and that to at a cllose range which Minato will never do.

In fact Itachi can't afford to keep Minato at a close range because Minato is bad close range match up.

I mean look at all his fights all he does is to get close to the opponent, All those fodders, Tobi even A the raikage...all those pictures are posted below.

Minato vs Susanoo :

Minato can get past Itachi's complete Susanoo -

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo
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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Further once Minato's done that Itachi's end is fixed because his body is under enormous amount of pain He won't be able to defend himself.

There are other ways as well such as marking the ground or stones etc.
Minato can attack the susanoo itself :
Here we can see that Danzo used his Summon against Sasuke's Offensive, long Ranged Complete Susanoo

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And it reduced the Susanoo to the incomplete state, the only reason it failed becasue Fire worked against the wind.

In Minato and Itachi's case Minato can use this on Itachi's Defensive Susanoo

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Don't forget Gamabunata has water style that has advantage against Fire style.

Also this is the same summon that went up against Strong Rinnegan summons held its own against a tailed beast Shukaku and restrained a complete Kurama

Plus Minato can use this as well

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The three most powerful toads :

Also before saying BS like Itachi can control them via genjutsu Consider Itachi's state and the Chakra being drained from his body [used for maintaining MS and Susanoo]. He can't do **** against them. He is not Nagato!

In fact now that I think about it Itachi cant put up a descent fight if he has to go through all these summmons.

This could also be the thing why Jiraya was so confident when we was up against Itachi and Kisame

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I mean yeah Itachi never intended to fight but I have 1 question, Has Jiraya ever underestimated his opponent or boasted that He would kill someone who's power would be greater than his ?

Don't you remember what he did before going up against Pain?, He summoned Gerotora because Pain was the only opponent Jiraya wasn't sure about.

One more thing before posting the pic that show Itachi blocking the Rinnegan view with shuriken, The Rinnegan summons don't think for themself they just do what the Rinnegan user wishes that's why they just charge at the opponent w/out thinking or w/out any strategy.

Minato avoiding Direct eye-contacnt against Tobi :


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FizzyDrink said:
I honestly didn't spend the time to read all of that, because I already agree with you.

I will however like to mention another possible strategy.

Minato has the space time barrier, allowing him to transport any projectile wherever he wants. This is frankly a secret OP jutsu. Just think. He could have Gama shoot a water cannonball and then warp it INTO Itachi's Susanoo. That should be entirely within the realm of possibility. Similarly, Minato could also warp one of his kunai into Susanoo, allowing him to teleport into it.

I just wanted to add another possible strategy to Minato's arsenal.

Edit: Also a possible argument to those of you saying that he would look into Itachi's eyes because he did against Tobi, a possible explanation is that Minato, knowing that Tobi was already using a genjutsu to control the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato at the same time. So Minato, understanding that he was not threatened by genjutsu, freely looked into Tobi's eyes.
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New knight48 said:
But... itachi can do the same thing to minato, Itachi is a genius just like minato and can probably deduce the FTG pretty darn fast... For example pretend itachi is inside susanoo... he swings at minato, minato throws a kunai somewhere...(Itachi already analyzed minatos jutsu by now and has planned this strategy), itachi amaterasu's the kunai itself so when minato lands there boom dead.
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Agreed, Itachi is also a genius, so analysing Minato's jutsu wouldn't take long. And Susanoo and Amaterasu are very much powerful jutsu. However, they are also very draining. Itachi could barely use Tsukuyomi three times within a day without feeling drained, evidence is from part one when Itachi finds Naruto and Sasuke in the hotel. Amaterasu and Susanoo are just as, especially in Susanoo's case, much more draining than Tsukuyomi. It's possible what you say, but Itachi would by no means be able to keep this up for extended amounts of time. In that case, if Minato can hold out for that amount of time, then Itachi would probably be at a severe disadvantage.
By the way, not a Minato fanboy. I'm actually a fan of Itachi. Just looking at them both from an equal playing field.
 
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He used it here:
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Come on, that was battle of minds, not battle in the physical world - thats two different things. Besides, in the end Sharingan took control over Orochimarus dimension.
 
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minator93 said:
Fine!



Minato wins this,he has all the answers to Itachi's attacks and can come out as the victor if the two of them were to face each other in ideal conditions.

Read the following

Minato vs Sharingan Itachi :

Minato can beat Sharingan Itachi.

Minato has more speed,raw strength,chakra, powerful summons, seals.

Further he did beat Sharingan Tobi [MS Obito].


Minato vs Amaterasu :

A Few thing from wiki :
A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.

The only thing that the flames have failed to burn into or through is Gaara's chakra-infused sand. However, the flames burn fairly slowly, sometimes allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze. Nagato was able to deflect the flames from his body using Shinra Tensei. Use of the technique also puts a great deal of strain on the user, usually causing their eyes to bleed.

Minato dodged A's FULL speed the picture is in the Susanoo section below.
We've seen that A who wasn't even using his full speed dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu [Which according to Shee was better than Itachi's] at very close range. So Minato can do the same with more ease.

So even if Minato gets hit by Amaterasu he being the fastest of them all and thanks to s/t can save himself by teleporting himself back to his safe house. He did this when Tobi had bombed new-born Naruto.

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Plus Itachi can't use Amaterasu very often it affects him badly because he lacks the Eternal

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One more thing Jiraya sealed Amaterasu. So its safe to assume that Minato being the sealing master he is can do the same with more ease.

Minato vs Tsukuyomi :

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. Its a short Ranged Genjutsu and to my knowledge the root knew about it and It hasn't killed a single soul.

Guy was confident to go up against Itachi w/out Eye contact a Jounin os his calibre can fight w/pot eye contact. Further its common knowledge that when fighting a Sharingan user avoid eye contact and that can be done.

For Itachi to trap Minato in tsukuyomi Minato need to look directly into hie eyes and that to at a cllose range which Minato will never do.

In fact Itachi can't afford to keep Minato at a close range because Minato is bad close range match up.

I mean look at all his fights all he does is to get close to the opponent, All those fodders, Tobi even A the raikage...all those pictures are posted below.

Minato vs Susanoo :

Minato can get past Itachi's complete Susanoo -

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo
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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Further once Minato's done that Itachi's end is fixed because his body is under enormous amount of pain He won't be able to defend himself.

There are other ways as well such as marking the ground or stones etc.
Minato can attack the susanoo itself :
Here we can see that Danzo used his Summon against Sasuke's Offensive, long Ranged Complete Susanoo

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And it reduced the Susanoo to the incomplete state, the only reason it failed becasue Fire worked against the wind.

In Minato and Itachi's case Minato can use this on Itachi's Defensive Susanoo

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Don't forget Gamabunata has water style that has advantage against Fire style.

Also this is the same summon that went up against Strong Rinnegan summons held its own against a tailed beast Shukaku and restrained a complete Kurama

Plus Minato can use this as well

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The three most powerful toads :

Also before saying BS like Itachi can control them via genjutsu Consider Itachi's state and the Chakra being drained from his body [used for maintaining MS and Susanoo]. He can't do **** against them. He is not Nagato!

In fact now that I think about it Itachi cant put up a descent fight if he has to go through all these summmons.

This could also be the thing why Jiraya was so confident when we was up against Itachi and Kisame

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I mean yeah Itachi never intended to fight but I have 1 question, Has Jiraya ever underestimated his opponent or boasted that He would kill someone who's power would be greater than his ?

Don't you remember what he did before going up against Pain?, He summoned Gerotora because Pain was the only opponent Jiraya wasn't sure about.

One more thing before posting the pic that show Itachi blocking the Rinnegan view with shuriken, The Rinnegan summons don't think for themself they just do what the Rinnegan user wishes that's why they just charge at the opponent w/out thinking or w/out any strategy.

Minato avoiding Direct eye-contacnt against Tobi :


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Okay first of all like i said billions of times Minato cannot get inside susanoo.... Yes minato might have a counter to some of itachi's MS techniques individually... But if itachi is inside Susanoo(ultimate defence especially with that shield) swinging around the totsuka blade that seals everything in one hit, while constantly trying to get minato in a tsukuyomi, and when ever minato teleporting amaterasuing the kunai he teleports to... Itachi is bound to win...Itachi's arsenal is just way to big and powerful, it will overwhelm minato... Especially with itachi's genius mind strategizing and deducing minatos power... Itachi never underestimates his opponent...
 
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minator93 said:
Fine!



Minato wins this,he has all the answers to Itachi's attacks and can come out as the victor if the two of them were to face each other in ideal conditions.

Read the following

Minato vs Sharingan Itachi :

Minato can beat Sharingan Itachi.

Minato has more speed,raw strength,chakra, powerful summons, seals.

Further he did beat Sharingan Tobi [MS Obito].


Minato vs Amaterasu :

A Few thing from wiki :
A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.

The only thing that the flames have failed to burn into or through is Gaara's chakra-infused sand. However, the flames burn fairly slowly, sometimes allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze. Nagato was able to deflect the flames from his body using Shinra Tensei. Use of the technique also puts a great deal of strain on the user, usually causing their eyes to bleed.

Minato dodged A's FULL speed the picture is in the Susanoo section below.
We've seen that A who wasn't even using his full speed dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu [Which according to Shee was better than Itachi's] at very close range. So Minato can do the same with more ease.

So even if Minato gets hit by Amaterasu he being the fastest of them all and thanks to s/t can save himself by teleporting himself back to his safe house. He did this when Tobi had bombed new-born Naruto.

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Plus Itachi can't use Amaterasu very often it affects him badly because he lacks the Eternal

You must be registered for see images
One more thing Jiraya sealed Amaterasu. So its safe to assume that Minato being the sealing master he is can do the same with more ease.

Minato vs Tsukuyomi :

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. Its a short Ranged Genjutsu and to my knowledge the root knew about it and It hasn't killed a single soul.

Guy was confident to go up against Itachi w/out Eye contact a Jounin os his calibre can fight w/pot eye contact. Further its common knowledge that when fighting a Sharingan user avoid eye contact and that can be done.

For Itachi to trap Minato in tsukuyomi Minato need to look directly into hie eyes and that to at a cllose range which Minato will never do.

In fact Itachi can't afford to keep Minato at a close range because Minato is bad close range match up.

I mean look at all his fights all he does is to get close to the opponent, All those fodders, Tobi even A the raikage...all those pictures are posted below.

Minato vs Susanoo :

Minato can get past Itachi's complete Susanoo -

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo
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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Further once Minato's done that Itachi's end is fixed because his body is under enormous amount of pain He won't be able to defend himself.

There are other ways as well such as marking the ground or stones etc.
Minato can attack the susanoo itself :
Here we can see that Danzo used his Summon against Sasuke's Offensive, long Ranged Complete Susanoo

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And it reduced the Susanoo to the incomplete state, the only reason it failed becasue Fire worked against the wind.

In Minato and Itachi's case Minato can use this on Itachi's Defensive Susanoo

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Don't forget Gamabunata has water style that has advantage against Fire style.

Also this is the same summon that went up against Strong Rinnegan summons held its own against a tailed beast Shukaku and restrained a complete Kurama

Plus Minato can use this as well

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The three most powerful toads :

Also before saying BS like Itachi can control them via genjutsu Consider Itachi's state and the Chakra being drained from his body [used for maintaining MS and Susanoo]. He can't do **** against them. He is not Nagato!

In fact now that I think about it Itachi cant put up a descent fight if he has to go through all these summmons.

This could also be the thing why Jiraya was so confident when we was up against Itachi and Kisame

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I mean yeah Itachi never intended to fight but I have 1 question, Has Jiraya ever underestimated his opponent or boasted that He would kill someone who's power would be greater than his ?

Don't you remember what he did before going up against Pain?, He summoned Gerotora because Pain was the only opponent Jiraya wasn't sure about.

One more thing before posting the pic that show Itachi blocking the Rinnegan view with shuriken, The Rinnegan summons don't think for themself they just do what the Rinnegan user wishes that's why they just charge at the opponent w/out thinking or w/out any strategy.

Minato avoiding Direct eye-contacnt against Tobi :


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Hahaha damn i want to see someone try and refute that. I figured Minato would win but that pretty much cemented it for me
 
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New knight48 said:
but counter this Bogard^ i wanna see you try
there are so many other strategies itachi can make, HE IS A GENIUS AND IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MINATO
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And where is the original Itachi when he is trying to fool Minato for being there so that Minato couldn't notice him? Furthermore it seems you think Minato appears on his kunais? That's a wrong way of thinking. If you really look, you will notice that Minato usually appears around his kunais, sometimes even quite far from it. You also really think that flames with a black color are not noticeable? There are many flaws in your reasoning. Concerning the debate in their intelligence, i believe Minato is smarter:
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Turson said:
Come on, that was battle of minds, not battle in the physical world - thats two different things. Besides, in the end Sharingan took control over Orochimarus dimension.
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Notice what Orochimaru says. He says "it's the same as back then". They are inside Orochimaru's body which is a dimension like Kamui dimension, it doesn't mean you can't genjutsu or attack someone here. He did use paralysing genjutsu, but failed
 
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New knight48 said:
Okay first of all like i said billions of times Minato cannot get inside susanoo.... Yes minato might have a counter to some of itachi's MS techniques individually... But if itachi is inside Susanoo(ultimate defence especially with that shield) swinging around the totsuka blade that seals everything in one hit, while constantly trying to get minato in a tsukuyomi, and when ever minato teleporting amaterasuing the kunai he teleports to... Itachi is bound to win...Itachi's arsenal is just way to big and powerful, it will overwhelm minato... Especially with itachi's genius mind strategizing and deducing minatos power... Itachi never underestimates his opponent...
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Please! When someone posts with manga backup learn to accept the truth or prove him wrong WITH MANGA PAGES!
 
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Bogard said:
And where is the original Itachi when he is trying to fool Minato for being there so that Minato couldn't notice him? Furthermore it seems you think Minato appears on his kunais? That's a wrong way of thinking. If you really look, you will notice that Minato usually appears around his kunais, sometimes even quite far from it. You also really think that flames with a black color are not noticeable? There are many flaws in your reasoning. Concerning the debate in their intelligence, i believe Minato is smarter:
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Notice what Orochimaru says. He says "it's the same as back then". They are inside Orochimaru's body which is a dimension like Kamui dimension, it doesn't mean you can't genjutsu or attack someone here. He did use paralysing genjutsu, but failed
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dude if a 16 year old itachi is more wise and intelligent then a 40 year old sannin... i really believe that a 21 year old itachi is more intelligent than minato
 
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New knight48 said:
dude if a 16 year old itachi is more wise and intelligent then a 40 year old sannin... i really believe that a 21 year old itachi is more intelligent than minato
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And the relationship between both comparison is? Also we can't really say Itachi is smarter than Orochimaru. He has greater insight than Orochimaru in a battle and uses it for his own advantages, that's all. Orochimaru is smarter than him in a scientist way of thinking, knowledge and all the rest. Intelligence can be regroup in plenty of categorys
 
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