Thats kind of what Im saying. The sannin in that fight werent nearly as strong compared to now.think of it this way
pain defeated hanzo
jiraya alone almost defeated pain give him oro and tsunade at that moment they would have slaugtered them....
'so that leaves hanzo out of the question...
Hanzo couldnt even take out one Pain while Jiraiya took out 4.
Jiraiya was fodder compared to the current Jiraiya.Tsunade useless just like her student Sakura.
Jiraiya is no fuucking fodder my friend he was strong back then too.
Orochimaru is the bad ass of snakes or did you forget that? He didn't learn his snake tech's after he defected from Konoha we know this because he taught Anko some snake tech's.
Orochimaru couldnt use none of his skin shedding or any other crazy experiments.
People like you are the reason why these forums are dying out, i'm sorry but stating a bunch of bogus made up facts that include no quotes or pictures from the Manga doesn't help anyone, not even yourself.
Dont know what your problem is but this is a good topic my "friend."