Hiruzen, the Professor, performing every jutsu in Konoha?

[ShaneEyyy]

Hiruzen knowing every single technique in Konoha is a bunch of bull.

Do you really think Hiruzen can use the Nara's, Akimichi's, Yamanaka's, and the Aburame's clans' secret jutsu? Or the Uchiha and Hyuuga's Doujutsu? What about Yamato's Mukuton? If we exclude these secret techniques and KG, that's already at least half of the jutsu in Konoha in his time.

So can Hiruzen use all the jutsu in Konoha? If so, he must have all 5 basic chakra natures: wind, fire, water, earth, and lightning. Something only Kakuzu has shown so far, but by taking other peoples' hearts, it's that advanced. We've seen him use only fire and earth.

If he was also able to use wind, can he perform all of Danzo's very powerful wind techs? Or Asuma's powerful wind tech?

Can he open up the 8th gates or summon Guy's turtle?

Can he use Lightning Blade or Rasengan?

Can he use Water Dragon and Giant Vortex Jutsu possessed by Kakashi?

Can he summon the toads?

Can he use the great Tsunade's medical ninjutsu or Jiraiya's Sage Mode?

What about Ibiki's torturing chamber or Anko's snakes?

I just doubt he can perform techniques like those, He can maybe do 1/3 of the techs in Konoha, if that. Perhaps when the manga said, "he knew all the jutsu in Konoha", maybe they were referring to him being very knowledgeable with them by knowing their strengths and weaknesses, and other characteristics.

 

[Joten Uchiha]

He was called the professor because of his vast knowledge of all the techniques in Konoha, that doesn't mean he could use them all, he was familiar with how they worked.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

He was called the professor because of his vast knowledge of all the techniques in Konoha, that doesn't mean he could use them all, he was familiar with how they worked.

This.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

He was called the professor because of his vast knowledge of all the techniques in Konoha, that doesn't mean he could use them all, he was familiar with how they worked.

Yea Ik I already said that in the thread.

 

[Thundercles]

He was called the professor because of his vast knowledge of all the techniques in Konoha, that doesn't mean he could use them all, he was familiar with how they worked.

Yea Ik I already said that in the thread.

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Apparently, you are both wrong, albeit to differing degrees. Joten, you are incorrect because not only did he have knowledge, but he could perform them. Shane, you are half wrong. He does know all the jutsu that can be learned (obviously) in the Leaf, just not KKG. Come on, people. Common sense.

 

[Reaper]

Why make a separate thread when the exact same disscussion if going on in the thread by blitz w/e

 

[Thundercles]

Why make a separate thread when the exact same disscussion if going on in the thread by blitz w/e

Yeah I just noticed when I went back to the discussion board. /fail thread

 

[Owarij]

what the hell people..... how hard is it to comprehend what was said
I'm going to start talking in capslock now , since people just dont get it

ONE- ORO TALKED IN PAST TENSE, MEANING WHEN HIRUZEN GOT THE TITLE PROFESSOR , HE COULD USE ALL KONOHA JUTSU, RAIKIRI, FTG, ALL OF THAT CAME AFTER HIRUZEN'S PROFESSOR HYPE

TWO-READ BLAZE'S THREAD TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW ALL JUTSU OF KONOHA..JUST ALL KONOHA JUTSU , JUST READ THE THREAD IF YOU DON'T GET IT


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[ShaneEyyy]

Why make a separate thread when the exact same disscussion if going on in the thread by blitz w/e

Because there are so many posts that barely anyone would see mine

Yeah I just noticed when I went back to the discussion board. /fail thread

My reply is the one above to that other guy

 

[ShaneEyyy]

what the hell people..... how hard is it to comprehend what was said
I'm going to start talking in capslock now , since people just dont get it

ONE- ORO TALKED IN PAST TENSE, MEANING WHEN HIRUZEN GOT THE TITLE PROFESSOR , HE COULD USE ALL KONOHA JUTSU, RAIKIRI, FTG, ALL OF THAT CAME AFTER HIRUZEN'S PROFESSOR HYPE

TWO-READ BLAZE'S THREAD TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW ALL JUTSU OF KONOHA..JUST ALL KONOHA JUTSU , JUST READ THE THREAD IF YOU DON'T GET IT


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In that case, since majority of Konoha is composed of ninja with secret techniques and KG's, which is why it was before the invasions of Pain and Oro, clearly the strongest nation, he being able to perform jutsu outside of that isnt impressive, at all

 

[Owarij]

In that case, since majority of Konoha is composed of ninja with secret techniques and KG's, which is why it was before the invasions of Pain and Oro, clearly the strongest nation, he being able to perform jutsu outside of that isnt impressive, at all

Nope, if we're talking about all the jutsu hashirama , tobirama and all the other senju passed down for future generations
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The entire set of scrolls located behind hiruzen.. naruto opened 1 scroll and just a page and mastered a jonin rank tech in no time... thousands of techs would be written down there.... hidden techs would NOT have been passed down in scrolls ,since the clans keep their techs to themselves.. that ALONE shuts down your statement

Who knowwhat techniques are in those scrolls.. maybe hashirama's bringer of darkness for one.. hiruzen seemed to know of the jutsu and it's weakness instantly... though hashirama couldn't have been his master for long..It's very possibly he read and learnt it, or maybe saw hasirama use it before.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Nope, if we're talking about all the jutsu hashirama , tobirama and all the other senju passed down for future generations
aka these

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The entire set of scrolls located behind hiruzen.. naruto opened 1 scroll and just a page and mastered a jonin rank tech in no time... thousands of techs would be written down there.... hidden techs would NOT have been passed down in scrolls ,since the clans keep their techs to themselves.. that ALONE shuts down your statement

Who knowwhat techniques are in those scrolls.. maybe hashirama's bringer of darkness for one.. hiruzen seemed to know of the jutsu and it's weakness instantly... though hashirama couldn't have been his master for long..It's very possibly he read and learnt it, or maybe saw hasirama use it before.

What do you mean it, "shuts down my statement"? I said secret techniques and KG's cover at least, probably over half of Konoha's jutsu so Hiruzen can't use half of the jutsu in the time of konoha he was alive in, you agreed that he couldnt use the secret techs so it isnt "shut down" its agreed and done with.

Also, those jutsu that have been passed down, if they were so strong and not just Shadow Clone level, then he would have used them against Oro, Hashirama, and Tobirama. The strongest tech he used against them was that Reaper Death Seal, a jutsu created by the Fourth Hokage, a jutsu not passed down because the 4ths generation came after him.

That being said, I think the jutsu Hiruzen had passed down to him arent strong enough to deal with Hashirama and I dont believe Hiruzen has the power to defeat EMS Madara, so i say Hashirama>Hiruzen

 

[Owarij]

then he would have used them against Or

Ehh, wrong, anbu stated hiruzen's chakra levels were too low to use any poweful techs

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Ehh, wrong, anbu stated hiruzen's chakra levels were too low to use any poweful techs

Ehh, wrong. Anbu stated he didn't have the chakra levels he used to possess, not that they were too low, and it was stated that he had large chakra reserves. He at least should've had an above decent amount, which according to the databook, he did, he had a 3/5 for chakra. Surely that is enough to use a powerful tech because Kakashi had a 3/5 for chakra and was able to perform 4 Lightning Blades, so four S-rank techs

And also, you said that he couldn't use any powerful techs? Are you forgetting Reaper Death Seal, that S-rank move? Plus the others he used, Earth Wall, Giant Flame Bomb, Shadow Clones, Shadow Shuriken tech, and summoned Enma. He absolutely had enough chakra to use a powerful technique, if not more.

I assumed with that rep you have on here, you'd know this

 

[Owarij]

Ehh, wrong. Anbu stated he didn't have the chakra levels he used to possess, not that they were too low, and it was stated that he had large chakra reserves. He at least should've had an above decent amount, which according to the databook, he did, he had a 3/5 for chakra. Surely that is enough to use a powerful tech because Kakashi had a 3/5 for chakra and was able to perform 4 Lightning Blades, so four S-rank techs

And also, you said that he couldn't use any powerful techs? Are you forgetting Reaper Death Seal, that S-rank move? Plus the others he used, Earth Wall, Giant Flame Bomb, Shadow Clones, Shadow Shuriken tech, and summoned Enma. He absolutely had enough chakra to use a powerful technique, if not more.

I assumed with that rep you have on here, you'd know this

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There, powerful chakra taxing techs especially like kage bunshin would be a bad move for him with his depleted chakra... he used what was NEEDED in that fight.. wisely...he attacked with a katon, when tobirama attacked back with a suiton, he defended with its weakness , doton.. when Hashirama used moukouton , he pulled out something that would break it, enma , then he was caught in the darkness and ended it with shiki fujin, I see nowhere in that fight where with his chakra levels , did he even have time to start pulling out epic jutsu...

And it would make completely no sense for him to use any powerful jutsu if he could, as it would be a total waste of his already low chakra reserves As he already gathered that injuring edo tensei's would be useless, he needed to seal them.. your argument is pointless..expecting hiruzen to use jutsu that he had no need to use what so ever

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I assumed with that rep you have on here, you'd know this

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There, powerful chakra taxing techs especially like kage bunshin would be a bad move for him with his depleted chakra... he used what was NEEDED in that fight.. wisely...he attacked with a katon, when tobirama attacked back with a suiton, he defended with its weakness , doton.. when Hashirama used moukouton , he pulled out something that would break it, enma , then he was caught in the darkness and ended it with shiki fujin, I see nowhere in that fight where with his chakra levels , did he even have time to start pulling out epic jutsu...

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The Anbu saying he, "cannot" use them, were terribly wrong.

However, I do agree with you with your statement saying that he had no where in that fight to pull out epic jutsu, but possibly when Hashirama used his epic jutsu, Mokuton, Hiruzen could have used one of his "epic jutsu" to counter it, i mean like a tech stronger and more effective then Enma which just actually turned into a staff majority of the fight.

 

[TheBrightSide]

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[Owarij]

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The Anbu saying he, "cannot" use them, were terribly wrong.

However, I do agree with you with your statement saying that he had no where in that fight to pull out epic jutsu, but possibly when Hashirama used his epic jutsu, Mokuton, Hiruzen could have used one of his "epic jutsu" to counter it, i mean like a tech stronger and more effective then Enma which just actually turned into a staff majority of the fight.

Enma was strong enough not only to break it, but fast enough to protect him (cage form) in the few seconds when he really needed it... As enma said hiruzen was definitely not giving it his A game even in old age.. he was slacking off and thinking of things, letting his guard down...if enma wasn't out at that moment he'd of probably died , considering he wouldnt be able to use any handseals to cast anything


Also I think you misunderstood the argument and what blaze is trying to say
Hiruzen never learned ALL jutsu in konoha

Never stated...

Hiruzen did learn all konoha jutsu.. every village has their OWN jutsu..
Kakuzu stole his village's jutsu
Deidara stole his village's jutsu
Kisame said kakashi copied his VILLAGE'S jutsu

Hiruzen learned only the leaf's unique jutsu... which mostlikely the bunch that the senju clan passed down..

All hiden techs etc and kkg abilities seem to be passed down in their own clans rather than in the leaf village itself...

The databook statement for gentle fist said it's a style passed down to hyuugas only... this isn't what blaze argued hiruzen learned...all of those hidden clans etc came from elsewhere, their techs, their fighting style aren't konoha jutsu, it isn't passed down to all konoha ninja... though they are part of konoha, they keep to themselves..

 

[ShaneEyyy]

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For once, I actually disagree with him.

Answer this, you believe Hiruzen could use Lightning Blade?....Kakashi's original technique

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Enma was strong enough not only to break it, but fast enough to protect him (cage form) in the few seconds when he really needed it... As enma said hiruzen was definitely not giving it his A game even in old age.. he was slacking off and thinking of things, letting his guard down...if enma wasn't out at that moment he'd of probably died , considering he wouldnt be able to use any handseals to cast anything

I agree with that.

I believe Enma and Reaper Death Seal however, were his strongest/most effective moves because if he did have some huge OP tech, Orochimaru wouldn't have been so careless majority of the fight, or perhaps no because he knew Hiruzen couldnt perform it...

I'm starting to agree with what you're saying, he probably did have more epic jutsus, i just dont think he can perform every jutsu in konoha like Lightning Blade, Kakashi's original move. Kakashi said you need the Sharingan to use the technique because it requires vast speed, Hiruzen didnt have the Sharingan and even Kakashi now still needs his Sharingan to use Lightning Blade, so no way Hiruzens eyes were that skilled, not surpassing a Sharingan. So that statement is false