I really don't care who is stronger, honestly. I think this argument is pointless, but there is a reason Kishi said that about both of them. He didn't forget that he did, he hasn't shown prime Hiruzen except in a brief dialogue flashback. If he wanted to have him come back as an Edo (yes I know it is impossible logically), but if he did, he could easily level him up to match his hype, just as he did for hashirama.
As for the RDS. It was his only option to defeat his three adversaries. He was facing a reanimated Hashirama AND Tobirama, and the only way to defeat them is to seal them. He was also facing Orochimaru who admitted to him that he can not be destroyed, that his soul was forever bound to that realm. Even if he killed him he could simply come back in another body and still be a threat. RDS was the only way to defeat all three of them. It would seal the four of them away forever, never being able to be revived, forever eliminating the possibility of any them, including himself, to be a threat to Konoha. PLUS it was Kishi's way of giving us a little taste of how Naruto and the Kyuubi came to be. When I first saw that spiral on his stomach I was like " OH ISH! Is that how Naruto had the nine tails put inside him?!"
It was a last resort because he had no other choice to guarantee victory and safety for Konoha. I don't care what you guys think, I think Hiruzen went out like a BOSS!!! Defeating his senseis and pupil in one fell swoop.
I would like to see how boss-like Hashirama's death was. I bet it was epic.
As for the RDS. It was his only option to defeat his three adversaries. He was facing a reanimated Hashirama AND Tobirama, and the only way to defeat them is to seal them. He was also facing Orochimaru who admitted to him that he can not be destroyed, that his soul was forever bound to that realm. Even if he killed him he could simply come back in another body and still be a threat. RDS was the only way to defeat all three of them. It would seal the four of them away forever, never being able to be revived, forever eliminating the possibility of any them, including himself, to be a threat to Konoha. PLUS it was Kishi's way of giving us a little taste of how Naruto and the Kyuubi came to be. When I first saw that spiral on his stomach I was like " OH ISH! Is that how Naruto had the nine tails put inside him?!"
It was a last resort because he had no other choice to guarantee victory and safety for Konoha. I don't care what you guys think, I think Hiruzen went out like a BOSS!!! Defeating his senseis and pupil in one fell swoop.
I would like to see how boss-like Hashirama's death was. I bet it was epic.
) adds more credit to hasirama. This does not mean Hiruzen could not be stronger than Hashirama. Its not just power but being suited to beating your opponent. hashi could tame the nine tails that madara used (which begs the question, why would madara use the nine tails against someone that tamed ALL the beasts?). Hashirama was suited to Madara but may not have been to Hiruzen with his "mastery" of all the leaf's justu.He didnt learn them or was aware of them, he mastered them. So you argue his fight against orochimaru was weak, that was on a different scale from current fights. The story was still being flushed and notice orochimaru HAD a coffin for Minato and Hiruzen supposedly stopped it. Oro thought it would work and given Oro's attention to detail and testing he wouldnt have tried to use it without knowing it would work. its not until way later that edo is said not to work on sealed people. thats was just a flaw in the story. The fight between Oro and Hiruzen CANNOT be compared to fights going on currently as they are limited by plot. If we say Hiruzen was weak for using RDS and Enma then i guess Naruto sucks for using kurama, Saske is a whimp for using chidori, Obito is a spineless coward for using Izanagi against konan and spamming his sharingan to avoid attacks, Guy is a chicken for using the gates, anyone who uses a kekke genkai sucks, heck big bad madara must be an idiot since he required Hashi's cells. Lastly i guess since Hiruzen lost the fight oro was able to destroy the leaf right? The fact is we cant say who is stronger between Hasirama and Hiruzen but personally i think Hiruzen "might" be stronger...... hmmmm, maybe not stronger but "could" and i say again "could" beat hashirama but it would def be with high difficulty.
