About moderators and the way some threads end.

[Vincent]

I still don't understand why such people, who go at insulting my staff, always think that being on NB is a right; it's not. Being on here is a privilege granted to you by the very staff you're insulting lol isn't that idiotic? You're biting the hand that feeds you, and in most of these case, that's the only ever hand they get to interact with that isn't their own. Insulting this staff, plain and simple, revokes your right of being here, and that's that, no big fuss about it lol.

It's really a mystery.

I find this post very fitting for the content of this thread besides the very reasonable original post

 

[Ōkami]

It is a bit overboard, yes. However, I advice you to be careful with words, as we all react differently to them.

thank you for the advice, i em trying to keep my cool and have not used any profanity and i do try to word my replies in a way that won't offend people but i don't take kindly to a mod insulting me like that it's very childish

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

Yeah, well, it isn't really, because it points out that then it is your laziness that is what probably makes them misunderstand it as 'talking shit about them'.
Clarity and consistency are quite elemental in understanding each other.

i'm actually pretty clear when i let them have it. on here i'm talking to you about those mods that act in the way we are discussing. i don't have to keep being consistent if we both already know who is being discussed here

Liar liar, pants on fire.... U_U You do know that kind of lies only works with the other normal members who can't see your past infractions and your vm/pm convos and record of misdoings on the forum right? I doesn't work with us though... ^_^





Don't multipost.

Now please, either keep the replies in tune with the subject at hand, or don't reply. This is not a mod bashing thread nor was the OP's intention to make one.

better? is the world going to be okay now that i fixed it?

see we don't even have to say anything to prove our point. nobody that's still talking here has said anything in a bashing way. this is what i mean by my other post. acting like kids and then taking any little thing out of context and blowing it up just because you can't handle criticism.

 

[Scorps]

Actually, just to clarify:

-saying a mod is corrupt or abusing his powers is an insult and insults aren't allowed in NB Forums.

-I didn't insult any member. I called the member a liar because, in fact, he is lying. Stating a fact is not an insult.

-Saying a moderator is childish when he decided not to infract on insults towards the staff is childish on itself. And can be interpreted as an insult.

-Skipping the insults is what I did with this thread. Instead of infracting, I decided to edit the posts who were simply insults towards staff members or uneeded. Calling what this member called Vision is a blunt insult.


Insult is not editting a post with a colorful, comedic edit...

 

[UchihaBrat]

I find this post very fitting for the content of this thread besides the very reasonable original post

I would agree with him, weren't it for the special cases.

thank you for the advice, i em trying to keep my cool and have not used any profanity and i do try to word my replies in a way that won't offend people but i don't take kindly to a mod insulting me like that it's very childish

Keep up the good work then~

i'm actually pretty clear when i let them have it. on here i'm talking to you about those mods that act in the way we are discussing. i don't have to keep being consistent if we both already know who is being discussed here

Maybe letting them have it isn't quite the way to do things? I mean, you would want them to understand wouldn't you? Letting them have it seems to me to rather incite anger than understanding.
I meant consistency in general, as some, even me at times, might forget what was said previously and misunderstand. Even though it's a lot of work, it pays off, most of the times anyway.

@Scorps: "Insult is not editting a post with a colorful, comedic edit..." This is where I'm pointing at and think you're mistaken in believing.
You suggested his mouth having diarrhoea, which IS an insult. Maybe not as viewed by you, but there's no telling what others may think and in my opinion this is pretty blunt in itself and the editing as well. Being comedic is how you interpret it, you're neglecting the feelings of the poster.

 

[Ōkami]

Actually, just to clarify:

-saying a mod is corrupt or abusing his powers is an insult and insults aren't allowed in NB Forums.

-I didn't insult any member. I called the member a liar because, in fact, he is lying. Stating a fact is not an insult.

-Saying a moderator is childish when he decided not to infract on insults towards the staff is childish on itself. And can be interpreted as an insult.

-Skipping the insults is what I did with this thread. Instead of infracting, I decided to edit the posts who were simply insults towards staff members or uneeded. Calling what this member called Vision is a blunt insult.


Insult is not editting a post with a colorful, comedic edit...

so sayeth the mod huh? you rather deny you did anything wrong make it seem like you're the victim even though you're the abuser.

 

[Scorps]

I would agree with him, weren't it for the special cases.



Keep up the good work then~


Maybe letting them have it isn't quite the way to do things? I mean, you would want them to understand wouldn't you? Letting them have it seems to me to rather incite anger than understanding.
I meant consistency in general, as some, even me at times, might forget what was said previously and misunderstand. Even though it's a lot of work, it pays off, most of the times anyway.

@Scorps: "Insult is not editting a post with a colorful, comedic edit..." This is where I'm pointing at and think you're mistaken in believing.
You suggested his mouth having diarrhoea, which IS an insult. Maybe not as viewed by you, but there's no telling what others may think and in my opinion this is pretty blunt in itself and the editing as well. Being comedic is how you interpret it, you're neglecting the feelings of the poster.

Diarrhea of the mouth is an expression (at least here...we call it "verborreia" in my language) that means "speaking in excess with little to no meaning or thought line behind the speech". Its not, here at least, an insult. It pertains to the expression of talking nonsense basically. It translates directly into diarrhea of the mouth... or more concretely, diarrhea of the verb or verb diarrhea. Verbo = Verb, -Reia = flowing outwards in a stream without control. Sometimes, mistranslations are the cause of many things. But you can ask any portuguese speaking member if you don't believe me.

so sayeth the mod huh? you rather deny you did anything wrong make it seem like you're the victim even though you're the abuser.

If I was an abuser, you wouldn't be online after speaking like you did against the staff, would you?

 

[Vincent]

so sayeth the mod huh? you rather deny you did anything wrong make it seem like you're the victim even though you're the abuser.

*sigh* scorps is being far too nice as it is, and you have now insulted multiple mods, multiple times in this thread, I suggest you stop posting for a while and maybe go do something irl, as you are digging yourself a deep hole here

 

[Ōkami]

Diarrhea of the mouth is an expression (at least here...we call it "verborreia" in my language) that means "speaking in excess with little to no meaning or thought line behind the speech". Its not, here at least, an insult. It pertains to the expression of talking nonsense basically. It translates directly into diarrhea of the mouth... or more concretely, diarrhea of the verb or verb diarrhea. Verbo = Verb, -Reia = flowing outwards in a stream without control. Sometimes, mistranslations are the cause of many things. But you can ask any portuguese speaking member if you don't believe me.



If I was an abuser, you wouldn't be online after speaking like you did against the staff, would you?

oh so you're threatening me? you really think that's going to work out for you? a threat online is very serious and can land you in jail

*sigh* scorps is being far too nice as it is, and you have now insulted multiple mods, multiple times in this thread, I suggest you stop posting for a while and maybe go do something irl, as you are digging yourself a deep hole here

he has insulted me several times and now has threaten me how is that nice? but you seem level head if we could speak in a civilize matter I'm sure we can work this out

 

[-S-]

NOW you're brown nosing :|

I don't think you understand what that word means. In fact, I'm not sure you understand the meaning of most words, considering your negative contribution to this thread.

Another good thread ruined by a bunch of mindless internet 'rebels' who believe they're going to start a real movement on an anime forum aimed at teenagers.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

He has a point. If you dont want to get an infraction then just follow the rules. Ive only had one infraction and thats for not following the rules. Following the rules is not hard and if you do you can enjoy this base to the fullest

you should read everything being discussed before coming in here and coming at me with a comment like that

Actually, just to clarify:

-saying a mod is corrupt or abusing his powers is an insult and insults aren't allowed in NB Forums.

-I didn't insult any member. I called the member a liar because, in fact, he is lying. Stating a fact is not an insult.

-Saying a moderator is childish when he decided not to infract on insults towards the staff is childish on itself. And can be interpreted as an insult.

-Skipping the insults is what I did with this thread. Instead of infracting, I decided to edit the posts who were simply insults towards staff members or uneeded. Calling what this member called Vision is a blunt insult.


Insult is not editting a post with a colorful, comedic edit...

you just said it there yourself. stating a fact is not an insult. well it is a fact that some mods act like little kids and abuse their powers as a mod when they take something personal even if it was never personally meant for them in the first place. and if that's how some of some of you are going to be taking everything said, then you shouldn't even be a mod. nobody here was insulting anyone until you came and started with the other guy. i'm the only one that mentioned vision and i didn't call her/him anything at all so don't try to bs us.

 

[Vincent]

oh so you're threatening me? you really think that's going to work out for you? a threat online is very serious and can land you in jail



he has insulted me several times and now has threaten me how is that nice? but you seem level head if we could speak in a civilize matter I'm sure we can work this out

Every comment you have made against a mod is actually to some mods, worth infracting, which by now, would result in a 3 month or longer ban if each one was infracted, so actually, he is being very nice, as personally, if this was in my sections, I would have given you at least one infraction by now

 

[UchihaBrat]

Diarrhea of the mouth is an expression (at least here...we call it "verborreia" in my language) that means "speaking in excess with little to no meaning or thought line behind the speech". Its not, here at least, an insult. It pertains to the expression of talking nonsense basically. It translates directly into diarrhea of the mouth... or more concretely, diarrhea of the verb or verb diarrhea. Verbo = Verb, -Reia = flowing outwards in a stream without control. Sometimes, mistranslations are the cause of many things. But you can ask any portuguese speaking member if you don't believe me.

Oh dear!
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to make you feel bad about what you did, that's up to you. I just want you to understand it as others would.
'Diarrhoea of the mouth' - Not being Portuguese, I'm sorry, but to me this sounds nothing but like an insult, and you must understand that others, whom are unfamiliar with the expression, would probably take it like I did.
Maybe it is important to consider this as well?

At the very least, he took it as an insult and to me it looked like one, so, are you not sorry this is how it ended up?

Note to all: Please do not exaggerate things, there is always reason behind acts, finding out what they are before you start making accusations is a very good idea.

 

[Scorps]

oh so you're threatening me? you really think that's going to work out for you? a threat online is very serious and can land you in jail

Lol you didn't understand my point. If I was an abuser or an abusive mod, you would have been banned with your first insult directed at the staff. And I'm not threatening you. If I deemed it needed or reasonable to ban you, I would have done so. However, this is escaping the point of this thread and will lead nowhere. You will not understand your wrong doings or my point and you don't actually care so its pointless trying to see eye to eye. One thing I'll say is that you shouldn't insult those who give you a privilege like NB and keep it running for the enjoyment of all.

Uchihabrat, I think you now understand why such an issue shouldn't be discussed in a thread. While your opening post is, in my eyes, raising a reasonable point (valid or not, thats not the case), these threads always fester with mod bashing, regardless of what is done. And no, I'm not sorry as I didn't issue an insult. I don't feel bad at all. Why should I?

But one thing I'll do is stop posting before my "good will" towards this thread ends.

 

[Wesobi]

First of all: Thank you OP for that remark. It seems like a lot of people agree to it so I'm sure we'll take it up and talk the issue over with all mods/gmods. Now, I've only skimmed through the first page but already a lot of post annoy me for going off-topic, as well as simply going up another attempt to make the mods look bad. Sorry if you think that I'm acting all powerful again, but honestly, some arguments just make no sense especially considering most of the arguments given are way too contextual/situational to have any sense on a global view of what they claim to mean.

ya it irks me when a mod closes a thread that doesn't violate the rules also the fact it takes them five minutes to do that but it can take up to two hours to close a thread where a guy is posting porno pics and mutilated bodies pics

priorities mods

First of all: Your interpretation of "doesn't violate the rules" versus the actual meaning of it is a different thing. Do you honestly think we don't have guidelines that we have seen/got from admins? Sure, it's always a bit personal and a gray area, but 99% of the threads that are actually closed aren't. 1% is. It would be extremely unlucky if every thread of yours that got closed, or that you think got closed unfairly was in that 1%. What are the odds?

Secondly, you seem to not know (or forget, take your pick) that a normal mod can not simply delete everything and everywhere what he wants. I can't go around in the RP section for example, and delete a thread with x-rated content. I'm not an RP mod, I don't have powers there. I know it sounds stupid, bit this is to go in against any kind of possible abuse. So if a troll posts something, and I'm online as the only mod but I can't do anything about it, you can hardly go around throwing the blame like you do now. Like I said, it's situational. Only global moderators can actually moderate everywhere (and administrators of course). Even then, we all need sleep and we all have our timezones and try to co-operate as best we can. Please keep that in mind (this entire reply) before making such a statement.

as much as i agree and support this post, i'm still going to say its pretty pointless to make. these self thought "gods" of this forum do what they want no matter what and then cry and throw out infractions/bans when you call them out on it. trust me i get enough of them even when i don't even call out mods by name.

best thing you can do is not care. they won't show it but they hate it when you don't care about pointless infractions/bans they give you. its ridiculous that they can act the part they claim not to be and then "punish" for calling them out on it but remember that in reality, it doesn't matter. whatever they do has no effect whatsoever in life.

hell i'll probably get more infractions for this but just do what i do and ignore it bro

We don't do what we want no matter what. I've already explained it a million times, we do this job FOR FREE. We get nothing in return (except a bigger avatar, wowie). We get flamed, accused, insulted under false accusations. Sometimes we get a thank you from people. That's the reason we actually do this job, because of the thank you. Don't go around calling mods biased and self-proclaimed gods. We follow the guidelines and rules set on the forum, which you agreed to when entering it. If you don't like the rules, no one is forcing you to stay. I've never infracted or banned anyone that came to me personally to talk about something I did that upset them. Most of the time I even help them out. What you're going about is making threads just to get supporters on your sides (which are trolls most of the times) so you can say: "See, I told you that you suck at doing your job"). Just pm a mod, be polite like you want that mod to be to you and I'm sure they'll respond in the same way. They might not do what you ask, but if that's the way it is, than that's it. I don't go writing around letters to the parliament every other day because I hate the fact that they made cigarettes more costly, or made milk more expensive.

I understand exactly where you are coming from and i hope whoever is in charge of this website corrects them or reminds mods and admins to remember exactly where there authority lies and make sure they stop stepping over the boundries of said duty.There actions are pathetic and they wonder why they receive little to no respect.It takes two to tango my fellow admins by thrusting your post on us and shutting down threads on whim leaves little to no room for us to do so.Respect is a two way street by no means should you think even for a second that our respect should be indefinite.

And with a post like this you simply again made it so that mods loose respect for you whenever they see your name. The only difference is we need to stay neutral towards you despite what you just said, but you can do what ever you want to us and get away with it. That alone should make you think for a second and realize that your post is just as insulting to us as any other "insult" we make to you. I mean, overstepping our boundaries? Read the part about "you agreed to these rules when you entered the website and made an account". You're overstepping your boundaries by saying stuff like this and thinking you can always just do and say what you want. Calling what we do is pathetic, and why? Because of some infractions you got? A ban or two, here and there? A thread closed or trashed in the General Discussion or Naruto Discussion forum? Trust me, we won't go around to close, infract, ban, trash, edit or as much as click on a thread just because we seem to hate you. We have enough stuff to do. So if some members (as I don't say all members are the same) could just be nice on threads, don't go off-topic, don't spam memes all day, or reply solely with the intent to flame or insult someone else and fully know they'll start a flame wars, they can expect us to stop giving out warnings/infractions/bans, trash threads, close them and maybe even get the admins so far to actually not need moderators. Unfortunately, this isn't utopia, and like in the real world you can't get rid of your neighborhood friendly forum police.


Now, I apologize for going off topic (though I did respond to Uchihabrat), but in all earnest let me just make a summary:

• "Have a problem with a mod's judgement, but haven't read the rules?" -> DON'T MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT, read the rules.
• Still have a problem with a mod his judgement after reading the rules? -> DON'T MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT, go to the mod, be polite and ask what happened and I'm sure he'll respond politely to you and you can solve it out without any harm from either sides.
• Still think the mod is wrong, despite having read the rules and talked to him in a friendly way? -> contact a global moderator about the issue and talk to them about it.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

I don't think you understand what that word means. In fact, I'm not sure you understand the meaning of most words, considering your negative contribution to this thread.

Another good thread ruined by a bunch of mindless internet 'rebels' who believe they're going to start a real movement on an anime forum aimed at teenagers.

yes mindless because i choose to voice out my opinion instead of just shutting up and taking it like you do right. i'm sorry but my goal in life isn't to have as many rep points and awards as you do on a anime forum site. if there is unfairness being directed at me or any other member by staff who isn't being right, then i will say what i have to say. if that person in turn takes it as i'm trying to just flame/insult them, then they are just proving my point.

 

[UchihaBrat]

Lol you didn't understand my point. If I was an abuser or an abusive mod, you would have been banned with your first insult directed at the staff. And I'm not threatening you. If I deemed it needed or reasonable to ban you, I would have done so. However, this is escaping the point of this thread and will lead nowhere. You will not understand your wrong doings or my point and you don't actually care so its pointless trying to see eye to eye. One thing I'll say is that you should insult those who give you a privilege like NB and keep it running for the enjoyment of all.

Uchihabrat, I think you now understand why such an issue shouldn't be discussed in a thread. While your opening post is, in my eyes, raising a reasonable point (valid or not, thats not the case), these threads always fester with mod bashing, regardless of what is done.

I understand it, but looking at things, this is a relatively harmless discussion, looking at which manner others usually are held.

@Wesobi: I agree with what you say about making a thread about it, but I must also add that I think this topic isn't really as easily categorized that you should refrain from making it into a thread.

My point was to open dialogue between mods and members, making mods understand foremost what my concern was.
But you're right, it has gotten off-topic.

 

[Ōkami]

Lol you didn't understand my point. If I was an abuser or an abusive mod, you would have been banned with your first insult directed at the staff. And I'm not threatening you. If I deemed it needed or reasonable to ban you, I would have done so. However, this is escaping the point of this thread and will lead nowhere. You will not understand your wrong doings or my point and you don't actually care so its pointless trying to see eye to eye. One thing I'll say is that you should insult those who give you a privilege like NB and keep it running for the enjoyment of all.

Uchihabrat, I think you now understand why such an issue shouldn't be discussed in a thread. While your opening post is, in my eyes, raising a reasonable point (valid or not, thats not the case), these threads always fester with mod bashing, regardless of what is done. And no, I'm not sorry as I didn't issue an insult. I don't feel bad at all. Why should I?

But one thing I'll do is stop posting before my "good will" towards this thread ends.

i hate being a grammar cop but you might want to add a n't at the end of should to the end of the fourth line

also the way you try to take the moral high ground every time just aggravates me to no end

 

[UchihaBrat]

i hate being a grammar cop but you might want to add a n't at the end of should to the end of the fourth line

also the way you try to take the moral high ground every time just aggravates me to no end

Then it is best to walk away. You haven't lost temper and remained rather calm, so let's end it here. This thread has gotten too off-topic as is.

 

[Yasuko Sayomi]

i hate being a grammar cop but you might want to add a n't at the end of should to the end of the fourth line

also the way you try to take the moral high ground every time just aggravates me to no end

You hate being a grammar cop, yet you are missing periods, commas, and capital letters. :|

On Topic: Usually the mods have a good reason they will close a thread. I've never seen any thread closed, because there was no flaming or insults. If you have an example of a thread that you posted that was wrongly closed, please post a link. U_U Don't say that I'm brown nosing. I'm not. Making a thread about this wasn't the best move in my opinion. >_<