SM Jiraiya vs Kakuzu

Winner

  • Jiraiya

    Votes: 34 56.7%
  • Kakuzu

    Votes: 26 43.3%

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because it hasn't been shown on Kakuzu = it can't

offically a troll. Enjoy my ignore list

Please refer back to the video

PretaPath here.
ROFLMAO, remember when I asked you if you could get even more retarded? It looks like you can, stupidity has its limit but you, you've exceeded it.
If you can't prove it then don't bring it into an argument you dumb kid.
Besides I just proved you it can't then you don't know what else to say besides "hehee your just a troll"
You're just an idiotic kid who can't debate for shit. I owned you so many times already it's not even funny anymore. You're a shit debater, what are you even doing here?
Anyway, I win and you lose, as always. Btw, I put you in my ignored list, I never realized how much of an idiot you were until now, your parents must be proud. It must sucks losing all the time.
 

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ROFLMAO, remember when I asked you if you could get even more retarded? It looks like you can, stupidity has its limit but you, you've exceeded it.
If you can't prove it can then don't bring it into an argument you dumb kid.
Besides I just proved you it can't then you don't know what else to say besides "hehee your just a troll"
You're just an idiotic kid who can't debate for shit. I owned you so many times already it's not even funny anymore. You're a shit debater, what are you even doing here?
Anyway, I win and you lose, as always. Btw, I put you in my ignored list, I never realized how much of an idiot you were until now, your parents must be proud. It must sucks losing all the time.

Um, Preta Path, he is your brother/ sister?
 

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ROFLMAO, remember when I asked you if you could get even more retarded? It looks like you can, stupidity has its limit but you, you've exceeded it.
If you can't prove it can then don't bring it into an argument you dumb kid.
Besides I just proved you it can't then you don't know what else to say besides "hehee your just a troll"
You're just an idiotic kid who can't debate for shit. I owned you so many times already it's not even funny anymore. You're a shit debater, what are you even doing here?
Anyway, I win and you lose, as always. Btw, I put you in my ignored list, I never realized how much of an idiot you were until now, your parents must be proud. It must sucks losing all the time.

Blah. Blah. Blah

keep talking trash trying to prove yourself right. I already owned you so lets leave it at that
 

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Lmao I'm going to love this ignore option.
I can't see what you're saying bro it's useless.
You don't want to get owned any more
 

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Lmao I'm going to love this ignore option.
I can't see what you're saying bro it's useless.
You don't want to get owned any more

aww poor kid getting all angry because he didn't get his way xd

@ princess

no, I'm not related to him in any way, shape or form.

thank god
 

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My patience still has its limit.
You should come on Naruto discussion official forum sometimes, there are less retards/trolls there and I don't get mad as much as I do here xd

you should learn to accept when someone has proven you wrong instead of extorting to insults

you added me to your ignore list?

I care?
 
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Kakuzu's counter for this?

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Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan was said that it can hollow out a Mountain. This is why you expect from this technique. Rasengan is basically a drill tech made with pure chakra. Regular Rasengan can break a piece of rock from a moutain(Or drill a hole depending on it's size)

But comparing a Mountain rocks durability to a Diamond's doesn't help. Rasengan hasn't shown any feats of breaking something as hard as diamond. Rasengan attempting to drill it's way to Kakuzu's Domu (hard like Diamond) skin won't cause some type of serious damage. Even though this tech will plow Kakuzu to the ground, something like this:
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You obvious being a whiny ***** if you still want to read j man breaking Domu in my sentence. its obvious that you have no counter which results for you to continue repeating yourself

How about you admit J man can't break Domu Domu
You seem to be projecting again.

Why would I admit it when I've already proved the opposite and you're denying it?

Seriously what the hell you are talking about? What I post was actually chapters in the actual manga do you need page reference with it?
I can post Konohamaru making a sexy jutsu here too but that doesn't help my side of the argument just because it happened in the manga.
You are so hard headed (makes sense since that you dodge the Kakuzu>Kisame thread after)
Dodging the thread? I was the one who brought it up here, I wasn't the one who tried to claim you never said Kakuzu won to avoid looking bad.
Because you ignore Kakuzu's feats makes him "far superior" LOL. This is all you all you got. Lets bring on other examples in how you are arguing: SM J-man is far superior in strength to Madara because Madara can't punch a summon 30 meters, therefore SM j man wins.
Again, stop projecting so much, this post basically describes exactly what you're doing, and the dozens of scans you've posted prove nothing and are actually inferior. Like I said before it's quite obvious simply by looking at them and you seem to be in denial. Nice logic, unfortunately that's not what I claimed at all so don't try to twist my words around.
And Btw why don't you say anything about J-man reaction to this:
Maybe because Jiraiya still actually reacted to it, as you can see by Fukasaku reacting and throwing a smoke bomb, maybe because Pain is far faster than Kakuzu in every way, maybe because Jiraiya was fighting 2 other opponent who all shared vision by himself. I don't know, why don't you look at the scan and tell me "why he didn't react" because it seems to me he was perfectly fine. Unless you're actually claiming something happened to him by denying the manga again. "No, he actually totally died there"
-Kakuzu has wide radius of elemental bazooka's, that can come from different direction. Jingou will be a problem too. Taking out 5 hearts is not a simple task, Kakuzu will soon take his heart, with this.
Not a simple task? Fodder jutsus have wiped them out with ease before.

Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin. I hope you got proof for that.

-Not breaking Domu protects Kakuzu's 5 hearts (hearts have a safe base), J-mans raw strength will not deal damage to Domu Domu, without frog song, he has nothing in his arsenal to break it, deal with it
It's not like you'll EVER admit that your arguments were destroyed by 3 scans each and proved Jiraiya superior in all of those categories, so it's pointless to actually debate since you'll just stop responding when proven wrong as usual. But since when does Kakuzu have infinite chakra or has EVER spammed Domu repeatedly? In case you didn't know Domu isn't a constant coat of armor.

rating yo argument, 1/10 for not admitting when you're obviously proven wrong like 99% of people on base
There's only 2 rankings, 1/10 and 10/10, I'm sorry son you've failed.
 

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You seem to be projecting again.

Why would I admit it when I've already proved the opposite and you're denying it?
It's obvious you won't admit because it obvious J-man can't break Domu. Clarify what you mean about "opposite". What am I denying.

I can post Konohamaru making a sexy jutsu here too but that doesn't help my side of the argument just because it happened in the manga.
Debunk the scans I post that you claim are irrelevant

Dodging the thread? I was the one who brought it up here, I wasn't the one who tried to claim you never said Kakuzu won to avoid looking bad.
Last post 11/11/12 and never replied again you didn't do crap. It was clear that I wasn't being bias I know both of them can beat each other. I clearly said Kakuzu 51/49 in that thread, while you took the rolfstomp approach.

Again, stop projecting so much, this post basically describes exactly what you're doing, and the dozens of scans you've posted prove nothing and are actually inferior. Like I said before it's quite obvious simply by looking at them and you seem to be in denial. Nice logic, unfortunately that's not what I claimed at all so don't try to twist my words around.
The scans I post were mainly the strength and durability of Domu Domu. Now since you claim I am in denial, that I refuse to make a conclusion that J-man's raw strength can beat it, how about you actually BE REASONABLE instead and explain why he can. All your doing is saying my scans don't count and only your scans proofs relevant. NOW give me A REASON on Why Domu Domu doesn't count

Maybe because Jiraiya still actually reacted to it,
Ignoring the fact that he didn't Ma told him and he listen
as you can see by Fukasaku reacting and throwing a smoke bomb,
Oh so it wasn't J-man's personal counter reaction but someone who he relied on, interesting

maybe because Pain is far faster than Kakuzu in every way,
They're are no stats for Pain to conclude this yet, so far Kakuzu speed is 4/5.
maybe because Jiraiya was fighting 2 other opponent who all shared vision by himself.
This senstence doesn't help you, he knows he is fighting 3 people
I don't know, why don't you look at the scan and tell me "why he didn't react" because it seems to me he was perfectly fine.
J-man's personal reaction wasn't a factor in that situation it was Ma and Pa's help. That is why I showed you another post of Ma complaing about J man for not picking that up

Unless you're actually claiming something happened to him by denying the manga again. "No, he actually totally died there(WHAT?!?)
The claim I am making in this scan shows that J man's personal reaction isnt as superior as you claim it is.

Not a simple task? Fodder jutsus have wiped them out with ease before.
Masked had died from:
Curse Technique: Death Controlling Possessed Blood, Raikri, Wind-Rasengan, and Bashōsen. Which one is fodder, or am I missing something



Because his threads are piercing SM skin when regular kunais break on SM skin.
Show me where SM breaks kunai.
I hope you got proof for that.
You too(I will post the substance of Domu feats then you can compare it to a kunai's substance, after you post your proof)


It's not like you'll EVER admit that your arguments were destroyed by 3 scans each and proved Jiraiya superior in all of those categories, so it's pointless to actually debate since you'll just stop responding when proven wrong as usual. Last time I check I always end it with the last reply


But since when does Kakuzu have infinite chakra or has EVER spammed Domu repeatedly? In case you didn't know Domu isn't a constant coat of armor.
Never claim Kakuzu had infinite chakra but since you brought you Domu spam:
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Kakuzu makes a claim that as long as he has this armor no physical attacks can harm him. If this battle were to continue he would of still used it until it is broken (which was obvious after Kakashi did it). Domu Domu doesn't need to be on repeatedly, He knows he just needs to activated it when he is about to get physically harmed.

rating yo argument, 1/10 for not admitting when you're obviously proven wrong like 99% of people on base
There's only 2 rankings, 1/10 and 10/10, I'm sorry son you've failed.

I have read my first post and I wasn't clear: I have said how is J man better in Strength, Speed, And Reaction. You have post them. You want me to admit that J man is better in these factors I will admit say Strength and Speed. There you can celebrate. My approach was that it won't be enough to easily handle Kakuzu by his own feats. Because Domu enchance with Kakuzu's personal strength takes beats J man. Kakuzu personal speed is enough to keep on this battle from not being inferior. Kakuzu's personal reaction is as good as J man.
 

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It's obvious you won't admit because it obvious J-man can't break Domu. Clarify what you mean about "opposite". What am I denying.
You say these things, but they are all just empty insults. You continue to project onto me.

"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people."


Debunk the scans I post that you claim are irrelevant
I already did....in my FIRST post.


Last post 11/11/12 and never replied again you didn't do crap. It was clear that I wasn't being bias I know both of them can beat each other. I clearly said Kakuzu 51/49 in that thread, while you took the rolfstomp approach.
That's because it is a roflstomp thread. And what did you expect me to do message you and flame you for not responding becausey ou lost lol, nothing actually benefits from that.

The scans I post were mainly the strength and durability of Domu Domu. Now since you claim I am in denial, that I refuse to make a conclusion that J-man's raw strength can beat it, how about you actually BE REASONABLE instead and explain why he can. All your doing is saying my scans don't count and only your scans proofs relevant. NOW give me A REASON on Why Domu Domu doesn't count
They weren't, you're blatantly denying it. You actually posted attempted speed and trying to prove Kakuzu's is "stronger" somehow. Tried and failed of course, but now you're trying to defend the ridiculous things you incorrectly said before because you don't want to admit your arguments were destroyed. It's what pretty much everyone does, you're not fooling anyone.

And if you want proof, alright

Ignoring the fact that he didn't Ma told him and he listen
Oh so it wasn't J-man's personal counter reaction but someone who he relied on, interesting
Oh? Ma and Pa's not in this fight?
They're are no stats for Pain to conclude this yet, so far Kakuzu speed is 4/5.
Ah, now I see, you're only capable of actually using databook stats to define someone's strenght. No wonder you've been ignoring the panels. I guess Pain's slower because he has no databook stats, Choji solos him too with no diff.

This senstence doesn't help you, he knows he is fighting 3 people
Which changes what, because Kakuzu totally has 3 bodies iwth shared vision and can intercept him like Pain did. GREAT logic, I love the proof you actually gave alongside that.

J-man's personal reaction wasn't a factor in that situation it was Ma and Pa's help. That is why I showed you another post of Ma complaing about J man for not picking that up
*giant Odama rasengan the size of the car in the way*
*3 pain paths massively faster than Kakuzu*
*Ma and Pa are in both fights*
*Pain>>>>>>>Kakuzu*
*Cho Odama Rasengan>>>>Kakuzu*

Yep, everything checks out, looks like your claims don't make much sense.


(WHAT?!?)
The claim I am making in this scan shows that J man's personal reaction isnt as superior as you claim it is.
Well you've not proven in any way whatsoever that Kakuzu is even close to that. In fact, the ONLY panel you HAVE posted for Kakuzu's speed, was him ATTEMPTING to blitz a chunin with a 2.5 in speed and he STILL reacted. Things are not looking good for you at all with this Pain sneak attack route.

Masked had died from:
Curse Technique: Death Controlling Possessed Blood, Raikri, Wind-Rasengan, and Bashōsen. Which one is fodder, or am I missing something
So much for paying attention to Kakuzu scans in the past. Let's see, Asuma's random wind jutsu destroyed it instantly in one hit, it couldn't even attempt to avoid it, Choji smashed one to piece instantly on his own before, hmm yep looks like things like Goemon or Yatai Kuzushi more than make up.

Show me where SM breaks kunai.
Even better !




You too(I will post the substance of Domu feats then you can compare it to a kunai's substance, after you post your proof)
Alright, I'm waiting but I definitely don't expect anything after all this.

Last time I check I always end it with the last reply
HAHAHA, you just admitted that you didn't in this thread, that's ridiculous. Either way irrelevant to Jiraiya destroying Kakuzu which are the facts here backed up by actual manga scans.

Never claim Kakuzu had infinite chakra but since you brought you Domu spam:

Kakuzu makes a claim that as long as he has this armor no physical attacks can harm him. If this battle were to continue he would of still used it until it is broken (which was obvious after Kakashi did it). Domu Domu doesn't need to be on repeatedly, He knows he just needs to activated it when he is about to get physically harmed.
Exactly, AKA he can't actually do shit when he camps in Domu because he has to activate it before every attack. Thanks for your admission on that. About his chakra, I'm glad you agreed he has no chakra, because Jiraiya has dozens times more chakra and will be able to chill out having a beer while he doton:domus from multiple massive boss summons overwhelm him.

I have read my first post and I wasn't clear: I have said how is J man better in Strength, Speed, And Reaction. You have post them. You want me to admit that J man is better in these factors I will admit say Strength and Speed. There you can celebrate. My approach was that it won't be enough to easily handle Kakuzu by his own feats. Because Domu enchance with Kakuzu's personal strength takes beats J man. Kakuzu personal speed is enough to keep on this battle from not being inferior. Kakuzu's personal reaction is as good as J man.
Concession accepted, happy to have proved you wrong.
 

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i voted kakazu but if jiraya starts in sage mode the kakazu dies

jiraya mid-high diff
 

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"You say these things, but they are all just empty insults. You continue to project onto me."

"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people."

You have a really big ego if you don't see this applying to you here is your very first response you projected:
"GG your ENTIRE post. I LOVE the 3 choices of stats you used to condemn Kakuzu and dig your own grave here lol. good work."
You literally countering your ownself

"I already did....in my FIRST post."
You have proved that base strength and speed is better, my post approach showed that it can be countered by Domu for strength and Kakuzu 4/5 speed will not make this a inferior battle, reaction is still on the debate

"They weren't, you're blatantly denying it. You actually posted attempted speed and trying to prove Kakuzu's is "stronger" somehow. Tried and failed of course, but now you're trying to defend the ridiculous things you incorrectly said before because you don't want to admit your arguments were destroyed. It's what pretty much everyone does, you're not fooling anyone."

You didn't read my whole post before you wrote this I assume.

"And if you want proof, alright http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...=1#post9686508"
J-man's Physical strength is not enough since it is block-able with a physical hand. The proof of your strength scans shows that he will have problems to physically damage someone who can form their bodies as hard as diamond, thus, will do no good. J man is still a person with weight and Kakuzu has feats to knock opponents, human size:
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"Ah, now I see, you're only capable of actually using databook stats to define someone's strenght."
Lol, I mention databook stat once and yet you attacked me with the Shikimaru argument", Oh I see its a ego issue

No wonder you've been ignoring the panels. I guess Pain's slower because he has no databook stats, Choji solos him too with no diff."

You implied Pain is inferior in speed, thus ignoring Kakuzu's speed feats, if you are claiming this that mean Kakuzu is a very slow character. I'm guessing the choji response was just a "psychological projection" or do you literally believe that he solo?

"Which changes what, because Kakuzu totally has 3 bodies iwth shared vision and can intercept him like Pain did. GREAT logic, I love the proof you actually gave alongside that."
Lol god you totally don't like kakuzu as the character. Kakuzu has monsters are extremely flexible. They can inflate, they can shrink. And they can catch J man off guard with relying on Ma and Pa to look out for him. You can do this in a way of a 3 v 1 fight (especially that mask are long range and keep their distance with their blast radius)
*giant Odama rasengan the size of the car in the way*
Pretty sure it's a bit bigger then a car that, Odama is not breaking Domu Domu
*3 pain paths massively faster than Kakuzu*
You showed a speed blitz and therefore he is inferior in speed, talk about overrating Pain's speed
*Ma and Pa are in both fights*
Ma and Pa has to sit on J-man or else SM will fail. If this was full intel they are ready to counter whatever Kakuzu has. OP doesn't say anything about full intel so everything is going to be a surprise to each other. Whatever they shown in this fight as sitting ducks with J man is what they can do in this battle
*Pain>>>>>>>Kakuzu*
Coming Fukasaku words: the key to defeat pain is to solo the bodies individually. Kakuzu can do that but not when they are all together. Using ABC logic doesn't help especially when this battle result tactic is to fight each other 1v1 and not 3v1 hit and run.
*Cho Odama Rasengan>>>>Kakuzu*
Rasengan can't cut through Diamond

"So much for paying attention to Kakuzu scans in the past. Let's see, Asuma's random wind jutsu destroyed it instantly in one hit, it couldn't even attempt to avoid it, Choji smashed one to piece instantly on his own before, hmm yep looks like things like Goemon or Yatai Kuzushi more than make up."

Oh I didn't pay attention to Asuma wind jutsu destroying it instantly? Please show me because I didn't know. Choji did when? You mean the scaned I showed you in the Kakuzu>Kisame thread? The one that you blindly interpreted and claim that one of the last three heart was crushed by Choji?

"Well you've not proven in any way whatsoever that Kakuzu is even close to that. In fact, the ONLY panel you HAVE posted for Kakuzu's speed, was him ATTEMPTING to blitz a chunin with a 2.5 in speed and he STILL reacted. Things are not looking good for you at all with this Pain sneak attack route."
So you ignored my argument again and of me makign that claim as a speed counter instead of strength. Second the second wasn't a speed blitz it was a surprised attack do you consider this as a speed blitz from Pain:
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"Even better"
Oh so ignore J man's scan and show Naruto's, here you go, this is it piercing SM skin:
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"Alright, I'm waiting but I definitely don't expect anything after all this"
Of course you don't you bring nothing but downgrade the opponents feats and all your arguments counts as ">>>>>>>/being inferior" I will still post this as for other to look at too:
Earth Release: Earth Spear* (土遁・土矛, Doton: Domu)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
User: Kakuzu

A body like diamond, repelling everything!!

With the chakra flowing through all parts of one's body, the skin is hardened, increasing its defence power to its utmost limits. Furthermore, the destructive power of human bullet attacks** is increased, making this a great all-purpose technique. The amount of techniques that can break through the areas hardened by the "Earth Spear" are close to zero, not including its undeniable weak point: "Lightning Release Ninjutsu".

[picture of Kakuzu's arm turning dark]
←With one hit of Kakuzu's hardened fist, the gates of the Temple of Fire are destroyed.

[picture of Kakuzu's face being cut by Raidou's sword]
↑By invoking this technique the instant an attack hits, one gains an immortal body.

*The names of Kakuzu's techniques don't make much sense at first sight. This is because Kishimoto took the names from the legendary mecha anime "Mobile Suit Gundam" (機動戦士ガンダム, Kidou Senshi Gandamu), slightly altered them in some cases, and thought of kanji for them. Domu comes from the MS-09 Dom (ドム).
**Attacks involving the use of one's own body as a direct weapon. E.g. punches.

Reference: Third Databook, page 290

Here is a Kunai attempting to pierce and explode on Kakuzu:
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"HAHAHA, you just admitted that you didn't in this thread, that's ridiculous.
You are very childish with an ego issue. Go ahead and look at that thread again, and look stupid

Either way irrelevant to Jiraiya destroying Kakuzu which are the facts here backed up by actual manga scans."
Because you have scans of them fighting each other and I'm making fakes ones, ok.

"Exactly, AKA he can't actually do shit when he camps in Domu because he has to activate it before every attack. Thanks for your admission on that.
Kakuzu gets up after Domu activate, which also includes flash back feats of him doing it too:
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About his chakra, I'm glad you agreed he has no chakra, because Jiraiya has dozens times more chakra and will be able to chill out having a beer while he doton:domus from multiple massive boss summons overwhelm him.".

Yes I agree that Kakuzu has no chakra and can't perform anything, I have agreed with your logic. /Sarcasm

......:rofl:
 

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Can't believe Kakazu is winning this poll.

Jiraiya mid-high diff. In SM Jiraiya can easily avoid Kakazu's attacks and has attacks that are more than powerful enough to destroy his hearts.

Naruto's rasenshuriken destroyed like 3 hearts in 1 hit. I'd think the giant ass rasengan J-man can do would destroy at least 2, and I don't think he'd have that much trouble hitting Kakazu in SM. With SM he'll be quite a bit faster than Kakazu.
 
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