Eternal Rivals vs Nagato

[Lightbringer]

Sure that Nagato can try and form a strategy, but don't forget that he face a greater strategist than himself in this battle(Kakashi) and they even have advantage of knowledge, which is clearly important here since like i've said Gai stated that they already

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to counter all Pain techniques and knowing Kakashi it should clearly be remarquable.

This is true but you forget some things i believe. Pains have advantages that Nagato doesn't have:

- They can move freely, so they are faster than Nagato
- They are 6bodies, so they have advantage in number and can overwhelm opponents in close combat
- With 6bodies, the Rinnengan share vision is better and offers great advantages to prevent and dodge attacks
- Since they are dead bodies, they can't be killed and even if they get killed, they can be revived. If Nagato gets killed, then he is dead, over for him

So yes Kakashi was only fighting 2/6 of Nagato's abilities, but those 2bodies had those advantages that Nagato doesn't have. Furthermore, he fought the strongest offensiv abilities that Nagato can have(besides summoning), so it already give him a lot of advantage

-I don't know what you mean by moving freely and being faster? We are talking about healthy(mobile) Nagato right?

-That's true that the 6 have advantage in numbers, but that is also their weakness; that is how they got defeated because they were taken down one by one with their defensive and offensive counterparts separated. Nagato has all the defense and offense within himself.

-But lets also examine the possibility of Nagato using the six paths and himself in the mix.....just like Obito did with the jinchuriki. First send out the squad, then join the battle. And as I said, Nagato still has the Gedo, which I doubt they really have the counter for....as I recall, Kamui had no effect on it.

 

[Bogard]

yes im talking about nagato when he can walk so is this about the nagato that can walk if so then my argument has already been posted above although i dont know if its actually possible

eternal rivals> nagato that can walk but fights individualy
nagato that cant walk/nagato that uses bodies as paths>eternal rivals

the reason is that in the first option they can end the battlequickly but in the second option they'll run out of chakra

Yes Nagato can walk

-I don't know what you mean by moving freely and being faster? We are talking about healthy(mobile) Nagato right?

I was comparing alive Nagato like we know in the manga with Pain. Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. Obviously in this thread he can move

-That's true that the 6 have advantage in numbers, but that is also their weakness; that is how they got defeated because they were taken down one by one with their defensive and offensive counterparts separated. Nagato has all the defense and offense within himself.

Of course, Nagato has greater defense since he can use all 6Rinnengan abilities by himself when each Pain can only use one. I never stated the contrary. I was only stating advantages that Pain have over Nagato, but it doesn't mean that i think that Nagato has no advantages over Pain as well

-But lets also examine the possibility of Nagato using the six paths and himself in the mix.....just like Obito did with the jinchuriki. First send out the squad, then join the battle. And as I said, Nagato still has the Gedo, which I doubt they really have the counter for.

I restricted Gedo Mazo. Re-read the OP, and no Nagato fights himself, so no Pain here as well

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes Nagato can walk
I was comparing alive Nagato like we know in the manga with Pain. Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. Obviously in this thread he can move

Of course, Nagato has greater defense since he can use all 6Rinnengan abilities by himself when each Pain can only use one. I never stated the contrary. I was only stating advantages that Pain have over Nagato, but it doesn't mean that i think that Nagato has no advantages over Pain as well

I restricted Gedo Mazo. Re-read the OP, and no Nagato fights himself, so no Pain here as well

too many restrictions! lol XD

 

[the dark king]

can kakashi teleport thinks like clones with raikiri or lightning infused kunai behind an opponent? if so then nagato is in trouble and since nagato has no intel he wont be expecting it.

 

[ChillySnow]

Yes Nagato can walk
I was comparing alive Nagato like we know in the manga with Pain. Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. Obviously in this thread he can move

I restricted Gedo Mazo. Re-read the OP, and no Nagato fights himself, so no Pain here as well

im confused. Which nagato, 6 paths of pain or the one using soul dragon against hanzo?

 

[Unorthodox]

nagato has been set up here no gedo or large scale shira and no info they win because nagato hasit his greatest tech that cant be kamuied

 

[genii96]

Nagato wins, cerberus holds off might guy while he deals with kakashi,not to mention his other summons. If guy hit him with daytime trigger,shinra tensei repels it,asura+preta+human abilities rape kakashi if he gets close,cerberus+11 other summons runnng around alongside nagato with 6 paths means he wins mid diff

 

[genii96]

Kakashi needs to Kamui the black sphere Really quickly before it Pulls anything.

Nagato can't absorb Gai's technique , because it's not Ninjutsu , it's Taijutsu (like we've seen with Kisame)

Eternal Rivals take this.

nagato isnt fighting alone,he has over a dozen summons,gai's tech is sent away by ST,nagato can sense the buildup of chakra in kamui,so he will know,just like amaterasu. Also his invinsible chamelion will mnake things dificult.

Dont see how they can win