Eternal Rivals vs Nagato

[Bogard]

Eternal Rivals

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Nagato

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Location: Konoha
Restriction: Gedo Mazo, Chou Shinra Tensei
Distance: 20M
Knowledge: Manga for Eternal Rivals, None for Nagato

Who win?

 

[ChillySnow]

Edo Nagato or the alive one?

 

[Bogard]

Edo Nagato or the alive one?

Alive of course

 

[Lightbringer]

Nagato hands down

 

[Bogard]

Nagato hands down

How does he counter Kamui or Hirudora?

 

[ChillySnow]

kakashi and guy should take this. CT wouldn't work now since kakashi can Kamui the size of a bijuu, and if tendo pain tried to use BT, Kakashi could kamui tendo pain or guy use his Hirudora. Naraka path, Animal path, Human path, can be taken down by Raikiri wolf or kamui since kakashi can use it up to 5 times now. Preta path has no counter to taijutsu.

 

[Lightbringer]

How does he counter Kamui or Hirudora?

same way he killed kakashi and shinra tensei. Manipulating gravity with bansho tennin makes kakashi Kamui unfocused. Also Chibaku Tensei and summoning animal paths can really stir things up. Also even if Gai uses taijutsu, he can suck up his chakra just like he did with Bee to regenerate himself.

Hirudora can be blocked with shinra tensei

 

[Bogard]

same way he killed kakashi and shinra tensei. Manipulating gravity with bansho tennin makes kakashi Kamui unfocused. Also Chibaku Tensei and summoning animal paths can really stir things up. Also even if Gai uses taijutsu, he can suck up his chakra just like he did with Bee to regenerate himself.

Hirudora can be blocked with shinra tensei

He never killed Kakashi to begin with. Kakashi killed himself with his own kamui not having enough chakra in reserve. Furthermore the Kakashi he fought was far more weaker than the current and had no knowledge(here he has knowledge). Gai stated that they even

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for every Pain techniques. Hirudora can't be countered by a normal Shinra tensei, because shinra tensei is cast in an instant, but the explosion of hirudora takes long time and has a great range. Kakashi can kamui more than 5times now and even create huge holes powerful enough to suck even Hachibi in

 

[ChillySnow]

same way he killed kakashi and shinra tensei. Manipulating gravity with bansho tennin makes kakashi Kamui unfocused. Also Chibaku Tensei and summoning animal paths can really stir things up. Also even if Gai uses taijutsu, he can suck up his chakra just like he did with Bee to regenerate himself.

Hirudora can be blocked with shinra tensei

Kamui can be used up to 5 times now

Kakashi can kamui the size of a bijuu which is the size of CT and Kakashi has 3-4 kamuis left for those animals

Raikiri kicks in

How is Preta path going to beat guy in taijutsu and hold him down without the help of BT?

 

[the dark king]

eternal rivals although one might die. is this healthy nagato or 6 paths?

 

[Bogard]

eternal rivals although one might die. if guy chooses to use himself as a decoy this can end quickly but is this healthy nagato or 6 paths?

Alive Nagato

 

[Lightbringer]

He never killed Kakashi to begin with. Kakashi killed himself with his own kamui not having enough chakra in reserve. Furthermore the Kakashi he fought was far more weaker than the current and had no knowledge(here he has knowledge). Gai stated that they even prepared counters for every Pain techniques. Hirudora can't be countered by a normal Shinra tensei, because shinra tensei is cast in an instant, but the explosion of hirudora takes long time and has a great range.

kakashi will still run out of chakra before Nagato. I doubt he and Gai will always be close enough to kamui each other, and what if Nagato decides to fly up and use the shinra tensei that destroyed konoha?

If Nagato decides to use his animal summons, I doubt kakashi would able to defeat all of them and would probably tire out with using that much Kamui to port them. Gai could probably take a few out also. But while their distracted, Nagato could just use him shinra tensei or Chibaku Tensei.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Gai and Kakashi can't defeat Nagato...I'm saying I'd bet my money on Nagato 10/10 times because he is a powerhouse and I find it hard to believe that Gai and Kakashi will defeat him more than Nagato will defeat them.

Don't forget that Nagato too is adaptable, he is a shinobi after all and was the leader of akatsuki. Kakashi isn't the only one with analyzing skills. And don't forget Nagato also has the Gedo at his disposal.

 

[narutokage99]

Nagato before his death?
Kakashi solo.

Healthy Nagato?
Kakashi and Gai mid dif.

It would be more fair to make Kakashi and Gai vs 6 path of Pein.

 

[Bogard]

kakashi will still run out of chakra before Nagato. I doubt he and Gai will always be close enough to kamui each other, and what if Nagato decides to fly up and use the shinra tensei that destroyed konoha?

I don't think this fight will take that long that Kakashi would have to run out of chakra. Ninja battles generally don't take that long. It's true that Kakashi had chakra problems before, but the current Kakashi was able to battle 2days long, spamming a lot of techniques along with kamui. It was really incredible to believe. So i'm not really that sure that Kakashi will run out of chakra before the end of this match. Even Kamui doesn't take a lot of tole on his body like before unless he starts to use it recklessly of course

If Nagato decides to use his animal summons, I doubt kakashi would able to defeat all of them and would probably tire out with using that much Kamui to port them. Gai could probably take a few out also. But while their distracted, Nagato could just use him shinra tensei or Chibaku Tensei.

I believe that Kakashi's

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could defeat most of them, when Gai could take care of some with Morning Peacock. Only problem would be Cerberus, but he can Kamui him

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Gai and Kakashi can't defeat Nagato...I'm saying I'd bet my money on Nagato 10/10 times because he is a powerhouse and I find it hard to believe that Gai and Kakashi will defeat him more than Nagato will defeat them.

I respect your opinion, don't worry. We are debating after all

Don't forget that Nagato too is adaptable, he is a shinobi after all and was the leader of akatsuki.

I know hype has a great influence in our decisions, but don't forget we are in battledome here, so only arguments are required. Btw i restricted Gedo Mazo. Read the OP

 

[the dark king]

okay i donk know if this is possible buy guy gets into seventh gate and does hirudora in that time kakashi makes raikiri and does shadow clone jutsu now lets assume hirudora was countered by shinra tensei kakashi just has to warp the clone behind nagato right after guys first attack and its over

i dont think nagato has the speed to beat those two powerful jutsu in rapid succession or during the battle kakashi can warp a lightning infused kunai behing nagatos head while guy distracts nagto with powerful taijutsu the downside of this is that guy ay be heavily injured or might die

eternal rivals high diff (if nagato is not using the paths cause they dont have the chakra to fight the paths as OHK's wont work on them)

IMO

 

[Bogard]

Nagato before his death?
Kakashi solo.

Healthy Nagato?
Kakashi and Gai mid dif.

It would be more fair to make Kakashi and Gai vs 6 path of Pein.

I don't know who healthy Nagato is but i suppose you mean that he can walk?

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't think this fight will take that long that Kakashi would have to run out of chakra. Ninja battles generally don't take that long. It's true that Kakashi had chakra problems before, but the current Kakashi was able to battle 2days long, spamming a lot of techniques along with kamui. It was really incredible to believe. So i'm not really that sure that Kakashi will run out of chakra before the end of this match. Even Kamui doesn't take a lot of tole on his body like before unless he starts to use it recklessly of course

I believe that Kakashi's

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could defeat most of them, when Gai could take care of some with Morning Peacock. Only problem would be Cerberus, but he can Kamui him

I respect your opinion, don't worry. We are debating after all


I know hype has a great influence in our decisions, but don't forget we are in battledome here, so only arguments are required

And I respect yours, but from what I can understand, there are only 2 things in their arsenal that can defeat Nagato....Hirudora and Kamui. If they keep trying to attack him with only those two, I'm sure he'd be able to catch on and form a strategy.

Nagato on the other hand has many things at his disposal to defeat them. But it all comes down to skill and wit. I do believe that Kakashi has the wit, but do either him or Gai have more skill? I don't think so.

Remember he was only fighting the 6 paths before, Nagato is on another level as them.

And he wasn't even fighting all of them the first time, as I recall he lost to 2 paths.

 

[Bogard]

And I respect yours, but from what I can understand, there are only 2 things in their arsenal that can defeat Nagato....Hirudora and Kamui. If they keep trying to attack him with only those two, I'm sure he'd be able to catch on and form a strategy.

Sure that Nagato can try and form a strategy, but don't forget that he face a greater strategist than himself in this battle(Kakashi) and they even have advantage of knowledge, which is clearly important here since like i've said Gai stated that they already

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to counter all Pain techniques and knowing Kakashi it should clearly be remarquable.

Remember he was only fighting the 6 paths before, Nagato is on another level as them.

And he wasn't even fighting all of them the first time, as I recall he lost to 2 paths.

This is true but you forget some things i believe. Pains have advantages that Nagato doesn't have:

- They can move freely, so they are faster than Nagato
- They are 6bodies, so they have advantage in number and can overwhelm opponents in close combat
- With 6bodies, the Rinnengan share vision is better and offers great advantages to prevent and dodge attacks
- Since they are dead bodies, they can't be killed and even if they get killed, they can be revived. If Nagato gets killed, then he is dead, over for him

So yes Kakashi was only fighting 2/6 of Nagato's abilities, but those 2bodies had those advantages that Nagato doesn't have. Furthermore, he fought the strongest offensiv abilities that Nagato can have(besides summoning), so it already give him a lot of advantage

 

[the dark king]

I don't know who healthy Nagato is but i suppose you mean that he can walk?

yes im talking about nagato when he can walk so is this about the nagato that can walk if so then my argument has already been posted above although i dont know if its actually possible

eternal rivals> nagato that can walk but fights individualy
nagato that cant walk/nagato that uses bodies as paths>eternal rivals

the reason is that in the first option they can end the battlequickly but in the second option they'll run out of chakra

 

[ChillySnow]

I don't know who healthy Nagato is but i suppose you mean that he can walk?

I think he meant the one with the dragon fighting hanzo.