Hiashi vs Tsunade

[Chatte]

Well you were not there when the debate started so you may not know what really happened. The fact is that i created

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to say that Hiashi is kage level. Then Tazilla said that he couldn't beat Tsunade, where i replied that he can. Then Taz said i should create a thread so that we could exchange our point or view. It's the only reason of this thread. I wanted to exchange my point with Tazilla and explain why for me, Hiashi has greater chance to win. Not trying to ride the Hyugas or something, but trying to prove my point why i believe Hiashi capacities are simply a bad match up for Tsunade and he has shown incredible feats in last chapter that should not be underrated. If it makes you happy, you must know that i believe he has a chance to beat Kakashi as well

Still doesn't change the fact you stated somewhere that it can sense, dunno where, I know I read it somewhere along this thread.
Well then, I'll leave it to Taz and you. But one thing is for sure and this is me speaking in the most unbiased way that she can win even with her chakra network cut.

Oh, and to you and everyone else: stop using Tsunade in a rusty state as an example. I know it's somehow benefiting the debate, still, Tsunade is long gone, that rusty Tsunade. And even in her rusty state she was able to kick both their asses.
Sure, people will say it was 2 vs. 1. Even though in the end Jiraiya didn't even interfeered when she fought Oro. They were all having difficulties.
Tsunade rusty and low on chakra, Jiraiya having supressed chakra from Tsunade's poison and Oro his hands. They were equally matched.

But my time here is done, I'll leave it to you and Taz.

 

[Bogard]

Still doesn't change the fact you stated somewhere that it can sense, dunno where, I know I read it somewhere along this thread.

Byakugan does can sense opponent attacks. It's said since part1 by Tenten:

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Well then, I'll leave it to Taz and you. But one thing is for sure and this is me speaking in the most unbiased way that she can win even with her chakra network cut.

And how so? Without chakra, you can't perform ninjutsu, so no medical ninjutsu or Byakuyou. Even Strength of hundred is gone since you need ninjutsu to use it. Furthermore, you also receive heavy internal damages. Remember Hinata didn't even recover even 2weeks after her fight against Neji and was still coughing up blood

Oh, and to you and everyone else: stop using Tsunade in a rusty state as an example. I know it's somehow benefiting the debate, still, Tsunade is long gone, that rusty Tsunade. And even in her rusty state she was able to kick both their asses.

Well, Taz is using that Tsunade to say that she was faster than a genin Naruto. Why won't i take that same Tsunade as a comparison to prove the contrary? If you don't really want people using that Tsunade as a comparison, then don't use that Tsunade against an inexperimented and slow genin as a comparison as well and use this feat against elite ninjas to begin with

But my time here is done, I'll leave it to you and Taz.

Ok then

 

[zeezzay]

sry i am not being sexiest or anything and i am a girl but hiashi would kick tsundaes ass. okay tsundae hasnt defeated any male ninja shes know for sexual appeal and hot temper and she gets way more screen time then hiashi just what hiashi did in the last chapter was wowww tsundae got her body split in half by madaara not that hiashi could beat him but still what hiashi did in the last chapter was wooowww so tsundae would get destroyed by him shes good leader but not sa strong fighter sry about that.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

sry i am not being sexiest or anything and i am a girl but hiashi would kick tsundaes ass. okay tsundae hasnt defeated any male ninja shes know for sexual appeal and hot temper and she gets way more screen time then hiashi just what hiashi did in the last chapter was wowww tsundae got her body split in half by madaara not that hiashi could beat him but still what hiashi did in the last chapter was wooowww so tsundae would get destroyed by him shes good leader but not sa strong fighter sry about that.

By this logic Ino > Tsunade, because she was able to control Obito for 2 seconds.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

I say Hiashi would win high diff, a hit from the gentle fist blocks off the Chakra Pathway System injures Tsunades organs leaving her unable to gather chakra probably leaving, and a if she gets hit with Hakke Rokujūyon Shō her chakra flow would be completly cut off.

 

[Horus]

Tsunade, Hiashi Cannot do anything to Tsunade that Will kill her, Even if he can Hit her with gentle Fist. Seeing as she is the highest medical Ninja, she can Reverse the effects of it, just like when She reversed it when Kabuto hit her on her arm, yet she was still able to do mystical Palm.
She also has Katsuyu who is practically indestructible.
Tsunade is a kage and Sannin and is not to be underestimated.
She will Win Mid difficulty

And for the People saying that she can't allow to flow of chakra to her Body. She did it once, when Kabuto Hit her on her arm, severing the chakra from entering to her fists, Therefore Stopping her from using her strength, yet she was able to send charged through his nervous system, and was still able to use Mystical palm.

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And her Yin seal stores up chakra which is disconnected from the chakra network, so if he hits her chakra network she can just activate her seal to Pump chakra back into her body

 

[Horus]

She can't heal without chakra which will be blocked off.

She did it once.

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He hit her On her arm and leg, severing her chakra from entering to her fists to stop her Strength, But she still Converted her chakra into electricity and sent electric charges rippling through his body, and was able to Perform Mystical Palm.

 

[Horus]

Bogard, you have truly fallen, sorry to say it. I mean, you started to ride the Hyuugas every since the whole pairing stuff. Ntz, ntz.
And how have you fallen? By saying that Byakugan has sensing abilities. That's is the wrongest thing I've ever heard.
Byakugan was praised for its insight, not for sensing, so stop overrating it and adding things that have never been stated in the manga.
Not to mention that this is saying like Neji vs Tsunade.
People forget that she is a bit different than the others and even if you close the chakra points, if you don't hit a certain point it's for nothing. Not mentioning that the healing via Yin Seal can be done with no hand signs.
Anyway, I won't even go further.... Yes, it is gentle fist, however she had her muscles cut, respiratory ways ****ed-up, heart pierced and was still able to fight... so gentle fist won't do that much damage.
Not to mention that is similar with Chakra scalpel fighting style, meaning in a CQC while Hiashi can supposedly close some of her points, she cuts some of his muscles. She can heal herself, however, he can't.
Anyway, I went too much with this... I wasn't even intending to get in, just wanted to say that you are starting to fall a bit by adding some stuff to people that we aren't even certain of.
Meh,anyway...

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[Bogard]

She did it once.

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He hit her On her arm and leg, severing her chakra from entering to her fists to stop her Strength, But she still Converted her chakra into electricity and sent electric charges rippling through his body, and was able to Perform Mystical Palm.

@Bold Which means she had chakra. With gentle fist, it blocks completely your chakra flow, so no chakra. Without chakra, she can't perform medical ninjutsu, she can't perform Byakuyou, she wouldn't have been able to transform her chakra into electricity simply because the chakra is not even existing anymore. That's why gentle fist is a bad move for Tsunade, that's why Hiashi is a bad match up for Tsunade, and that's why Hiashi would win against Tsunade

 

[Horus]

@Bold Which means she had chakra. With gentle fist, it blocks completely your chakra flow, so no chakra. Without chakra, she can't perform medical ninjutsu, she can't perform Byakuyou, she wouldn't have been able to transform her chakra into electricity simply because the chakra is not even existing anymore. That's why gentle fist is a bad move for Tsunade, that's why Hiashi is a bad match up for Tsunade, and that's why Hiashi would win against Tsunade

You fail to realize she has Extra chakra in her Yin seal, that chakra is stored up in a seal on her forhead and is disconnected from the chakra network, She can easily activate it and Pump chakra back into her body'
And can you tell me a way in which hiashi can harm katsuyu??? One punch can still kill hiashi because her strength is not solely dependent on chakra, according to the databook, her strength is monstrous even without chakra

 

[fayeon]

oh god i knew it after kishi give them that chapter they will do this kind of thread (i have seen hinata vs itachi ) anyway all what tsunade need is one punch and game over



the only hyuga that was threat died rip neji

 

[Bogard]

You fail to realize she has Extra chakra in her Yin seal, that chakra is stored up in a seal on her forhead and is disconnected from the chakra network, She can easily activate it and Pump chakra back into her body'
And can you tell me a way in which hiashi can harm katsuyu

It's a seal she placed on her head, but she still needs handseals and chakra to release the seal and perform the jutsu(Byakuyou). That's why it's impossible since from the moment Hiashi hurt her with gentle fist, she doesn't have chakra anymore. Concerning Katsuyu, Hiashi has shown Hakke Rokujūyon Shō in this chapter powerful enough to push back something as huge as a tailed beast from far distance and because the technique operate in internal organs, Katsuyu is screwed

 

[Horus]

oh god i knew it after kishi give them that chapter they will do this kind of thread (i have seen hinata vs itachi ) anyway all what tsunade need is one punch and game over



the only hyuga that was threat died rip neji

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[Horus]

It's a seal she placed on her head, but she still needs handseals and chakra to release the seal and perform the jutsu(Byakuyou). That's why it's impossible since from the moment Hiashi hurt her with gentle fist, she doesn't have chakra anymore. Concerning Katsuyu, Hiashi has shown Hakke Rokujūyon Shō in this chapter powerful enough to push back something as huge as a tailed beast from far distance and because the technique operate in internal organs, Katsuyu is screwed

If katsuyu can be ripped apart without harm, and can survive the corrosive chakra of the ninetails and also shinra tensei and shibaku tensei, then she can survive the Hakke Rokujūyon Shō.
She is extremely durable.
Not just because hiashi showed some new tricks in the latest chapter, it automatically means he can take on Any of the sannin.

 

[the dark king]

You fail to realize she has Extra chakra in her Yin seal, that chakra is stored up in a seal on her forhead and is disconnected from the chakra network, She can easily activate it and Pump chakra back into her body'
And can you tell me a way in which hiashi can harm katsuyu??? One punch can still kill hiashi because her strength is not solely dependent on chakra, according to the databook, her strength is monstrous even without chakra

doesen't katsuyu have a chakra system? doesn't that mean vacuum pakm would block her chakra causing damage. (hiashi has the byakugan even though a slugs physiology is differnt from a humans he can still see where to hit her and do internal damage) cause not atter how durable she may be against gentle fist anything that uses chakra is doomed

 

[Horus]

doesen't katsuyu have a chakra system? doesn't that mean vacuum pakm would block her chakra causing damage. (hiashi has the byakugan even though a slugs physiology is differnt from a humans he can still see where to hit her and do internal damage) cause not atter how durable she may be against gentle fist anything that uses chakra is doomed

How can you hit something that can split itself apart into thousands of slugs, and even if he tries to hit her, his hands would just sink into her.
Her structure is like jello

 

[the dark king]

How can you hit something that can split itself apart into thousands of slugs, and even if he tries to hit her, his hands would just sink into her.
Her structure is like jello

vacuum palm against the original and if she splits the he uses his even bigger version but is she able to split faster than he can do vacuum palm? and why would she split for no reason, the only reason she split the first time was caught by manda and if manda could coil around her then vacuum palm is definetly messing up her chakra network remember its internal damage so even if her structure's like jello it doesn't matter if she gets hit by it

 

[Bogard]

How can you hit something that can split itself apart into thousands of slugs, and even if he tries to hit her, his hands would just sink into her.
Her structure is like jello

Why does he need to waste his time with Katsuyu to begin with if he can directly attack the summoner?

 

[Horus]

Why does he need to waste his time with Katsuyu to begin with if he can directly attack the summoner?

Dont you realize that Katsuyu can protect tsunade
Anyways There is no way of convincing you that Tsunade>Hiashi
Nor is there any Way of you convincing me Hiashi> Tsunade

If Hiashi was Stronger than Tsunade then They would have recommended him to Be hokage

 

[Horus]

vacuum palm against the original and if she splits the he uses his even bigger version but is she able to split faster than he can do vacuum palm? and why would she split for no reason, the only reason she split the first time was caught by manda and if manda could coil around her then vacuum palm is definetly messing up her chakra network remember its internal damage so even if her structure's like jello it doesn't matter if she gets hit by it

And Why do you think that Katsuyu would Even be affected. He cant hit her, it will just bounce right back.
She is indestructible
And Tsunade would never allow him to attack katsuyu.
If hiashi was stronger than tsunade, then they would have recommended him to be hokage, not her.
And do you actually think that He would have enough chakra left to dissipate thousands of katsuyu slugs.
HA,
Besides, her acid can just melt him